Thread 40077963

It's hilarious how NB's hate gender roles but at the same time need and want them to exist because otherwise their entire identity becomes meaningless.

>>40077963 (OP)
What?

Trannyism and non binaryism are both entirely about strictly enforcing gender roles.

>>40077963 (OP)
>Hate gender roles
No.
>Need and want them to exist
They have always existed anon. That's like saying humans need and want to breathe air.
>entire identity becomes meaningless
You don't seem to comprehend that NB's... You know... are *Not Binary*, and therefore are separate from the BINARY of men and women. The definition of binary is "characterized by or consisting of two parts or components; twofold." NOT BINARY. You know who also becomes meaningless with the abolition of gender roles? Men. And women. It becomes meaningless all together. Everyone becomes nonbinary with the abolition of gender roles since they don't exist they're *not binary* anymore. So what's your point?

>>40078060
>They have always existed
But they dont need to nor ar they necessary.
Though you do need them to exist otherwise you lose your special snowflake status.
>Everyone becomes nonbinary with the abolition of gender
No they dont How can someone be non-binary if the binary doesnt even exist.
Non-binary would mean nothing if gender no longer existed.

>>40078122
If the binary doesn't exist then everyone would be non-binary. If water wouldn't exist everything would be non-water. Are you dumb?

>>40078122
You know what's unnecessary is my third nipple but it's still there

>>40077963 (OP)
I call myself non-binary despite being cis because it filters out annoying crypto chuds

>>40078159
>Are you dumb?
No i'm not non-binary
Thats a terrible false equivalence btw.
Non-binarism can only exist as long as gender identities exist.
Without the existence of gender tell me what does it mean when you say you're non-binary?

>>40078217
God this is so painful to read. My man is trying to debate something that he doesn't fundamentally understand.

>>40078217
It wouldn't make sense to say that anymore as the binary doesn't exist. But the concept would still be the same.

>>40078252
What dont i understand? Enlighten me?

>>40077963 (OP)
>but at the same time need and want them to exist because otherwise their entire identity becomes meaningless
Ur literally just imagining what they think so you can get mad at it, I’ve never seen any such ideas

>>40078253
>It wouldn't make sense to say that anymore as the binary doesn't exist.
Yeah exactly it becomes meaningless.
>But the concept would still be the same.
How? The concept of not identifying with either binary cant exist anymore as the binary no longer even exists.

>>40078306
Non-binary is an umbrella term for any gender identity that doesn't fall into male or female. If society got rid of that binary people would still come up with gender identities. Within our current vocabulary those would then be considered non-binary.

>>40078334
>If society got rid of that binary people would still come up with gender identities.
Gender identities are already retarded made-up nonsense and without the binary pillar to hold them together what the fuck would these gender identities even be based around???

>>40078363
>without the binary pillar to hold them together what the fuck would these gender identities even be based around???
oh I don't know maybe being NONBINARY

All binary trans people are nonbinary, and all nonbinaries are cis. This is the answer to the riddle of what went wrong with self id

>>40078381
what the hell does non-binary mean if the binary doesnt exist?

>>40078388
Modern term for it is "genderqueer"

>>40078394
It would mean nothing to people living in such a society. It's just a term to make sense of things within our current society.

>>40078381
what would be the point if there wasnt a binary? unless the only binary that remains is the one defined by sex

>>40078410
>It would mean nothing to people living in such a society.
Exactly it's completely meaningless.

>>40078439
I'm not wasting my time talking about some hypothetical eunich fantasy land. Touch grass

>>40077963 (OP)
you're just making shit up to argue with people, this literally makes no sense lmao

>>40078460
im asking a question and youre refusing to answer it. your problem i guess

I know I shouldn't take any take on 4chan seriously but I doubt any NB would cry if all of a sudden all gender roles magically diseapeared from people minds. Yes, that would make the NB identity (and every other identity) vanish, but it's not like NB's are defending their identity like it's their soccer team, and the only people that think they do are cis people :v

>>40078576
Oh God however will I live with myself without spoon feeding some tranny because they can't think for themselves

>>40078585
yea thatd make sense if the people were already nonbinary prior to the gender roles disappearing, but the thing is there likely wouldnt be any new nonbinary people after that because theyd have no reason to deviate from a binary if it didnt exist. or at the very least, it wouldnt be called nonbinary anymore

>>40078604
this is just your problem for refusing to think beyond what you profoundly insist upon

i dont hate nonbinary people, i even kinda consider myself one even tho its just for coping, but sometimes you gotta think further than that yknow

>>40078606
In fact, there would be no indetity at all. We would just be people, which we kinda are already. But one thing to consider is that altho the identity (and it's definition) would not exist anymore, gender itself still would. A trans woman would still have the same gender and more or less the same way to express it, but that said person would be a woman nor trans, since no gender roles would just not be a thing. She wouldn't even be a "she", it would just "a person"

>>40078658
wouldn't be a woman nor trans*

>>40078627
You're asking me to humor your little nit picky what-ifs and feel entitled to an answer and just because I won't oblige you with some wordy drawn out justification for a CONCEPT you're gonna stomp and huff and tell me I "have a problem". Stop acting like a spoiled brat

>>40078159
Someone would have to prove "the binary" exists in the first place since you can't prove a negative

which, ironically, are the enbies

>>40077963 (OP)
I don't think it's that relevant when it really comes down to it. Just comes across to me as more of an ideological signal. Because no matter what masc vs femme is always going to be the ongoing conflict

>>40077963 (OP)
you idiot the binary genders and the concepts of "masculinity" and "femininity" would still exist without gender roles. They have to exist otherwise there would have been nothing to base the gender roles off of.
>>40078227
their ass doesn't know about polygender people or demigender people or any of the other identities that have both binary and nonbinary aspects.
>>40078363
>and without the binary pillar to hold them together what the fuck would these gender identities even be based around???
there are individual definitions of the genders that fall under "nonbinary" so I'd assume we would just fallback to that. like yeah sure calling myself "nonbinary" would be kind of meaningless bc such a term would encompass all genders, but I could still call myself aphorian or xenic or Maverique-adjacent or any other terms I usually don't mention for the convenience of binary people.
>>40078585
idk my gender would still exist if there were no gender roles and I assume everyone else's gender would also still exist. the concept of gender roles implies a pre-existing gender to be built off of.

>>40078707
okay I will explain this to you bc the other anon couldn't. If the gender binary and all of you binary gendered people suddenly disappeared all us people currently calling ourselves nonbinary would still exist. Thus if binary people stopped existing then the only people left would be the people that currently fall under the set "non-binary". idk where your proof thing comes from and it seems pretty stupid in context

>>40078658
>but that said person would be a woman nor trans, since no gender roles would just not be a thing
no, this is wrong
a trans woman would still transition if there were no gender roles. Being trans isn't about gender roles.

>>40080619
yeah idk why people itt think transness is about gender roles

>>40080741
dysphoria is caused by gender roles being too strict

>>40080748
my dysphoria exists independent of gender roles because it is based off of my body

>>40077963 (OP)
i'd be happy if gender roles stopped existing and my identity became meaningless. i don't want to stand out. i want to blend in. gender should be opt-in, not opt-out.
>>40078004
why are you the first reply on every other thread? fucking kill yourself. everyone hates you

>>40077963 (OP)
"NB" are the least monolithic thing there is, spend most of their time apologizing for exist in any space at all, and are generally just trying to feel okay with themselves sometimes.

Fuck off you disgusting fucking Jew.

>>40080753
your body is what determines your social gender role

>>40080814
>your body is what determines your social gender role
no my gender determines that. These are gender roles not physiology roles.

>>40080814
¡¡okay, well, that is Sexism and i don't like it!! o algo