>>40080972 (OP)idk why people even try anymore to propose this, it's never happening, it doesn't matter how respectfully or lovingly you approach it, you're trying to make formerly low value males that have such low self worth that they believe themselves to be fleshlights for chad, and will settle for an incel, into the active part of sex
just, stop it, they're never gonna listen, it's a dogma that cannot be broken