why do conservatives have to be so comically evil towards us...

but anon, most trannies are incredibly socially conservative, you should be happy you finally get what you want - if you "pass" - no problem, right?

>>40113991
Transsexuals intrinsically "problematize" binary sex and thus sex roles by demonstrating the possibility of crossover, particularly in the intermediate phases of transition. That's progressive and revolutionary.

>>40113991
this is what i mean

even in casual conversation you people cant help but gaslight me for having made me feel like shit
99% OF TRANNIES ARE SOCIALLY AND ECONOMICALLY LEFT

>>40113991
>most trannies are incredibly socially conservative
lol
lmao even

>>40114006
it's true, most of you want to be dolls right, you think women are passive and submissive, how is this not the BASIS of conservatism, that women are helpless and need to be protected?

>>40114015
>women are passive and submissive
It's literally true though

>>40114015
no

>>40114015
>you think women are passive and submissive
You guys are constantly putting words into our mouths and making shit up about us

most of you are annoying communists

>>40113970 (OP)
they just think we're being silly and playing a game. they think its like taking a toy from a child. racism was and is paternalistic, ableism is paternalistic, transphobia is also paternalistic
>>40113991
people who don't pass deserve a chance to be human too

>>40114022
well, you got what you wanted then, the ones of you that fit in enough are saved
if you look like a woman, no problem?
Unless what you want is to look male, and force everyone to call you female?

>>40114015
>most of you want to be dolls right
Most women want to be beautiful, yes.
>you think women are passive and submissive
When did I say this lmao take your meds. Or maybe stop taking them because they don’t seem to be helping

>>40114032
>ones of you that fit in enough are saved
Nah they're cooked the most
>force everyone to call you female
I'm not doing that

>>40114027
this

>>40114041
>Nah they're cooked the most
How are you cooked if you LOOK AND ACT FEMALE? How would they know?

>>40114041
If society decided to jail people who didn't call you she, would you be willing to violently riot to protest that from happening?

>>40113970 (OP)
Act like clowns, get clowned on

>>40114052
>If society decided to jail people who didn't call you she, would you be willing to violently riot to protest that from happening?
Meds, now

>>40114052
NTA but i'm a tranny that believes in Free Speech Absolutionism, so yes, if in real life people were arrested for misgendering, that would go against my beliefs and I'd protest it.

>>40113970 (OP)
we live in the age of the grift and people will consciously say all sorts of ridiculous transparent lies and their base will consciously nod along to it as if it were true as long as it suits their agenda in the moment. very few of these people actually believe in the shit they say but it's useful to pretend in the moment. it's all a big pyramid scheme, and they'll keep doing it for as long as it works. it doesn't take a genius to poke holes in mainstream anti-trans rhetoric, but it does take a willingness to do so. none of these people have a vested interest in making life better for trans people so it won't happen.

>>40114072
well my point is you can say im not forcing you to call me she, but if they did make the system that, you would support that and go along with it

>>40114052
>I know I am refusing to see any of you as individuals but what if, hypothetically, I was actually the victim?
why are transphobes so fucking pathetic Jesus Christ

>>40114143
Transphobia genuinely destroys peoples' minds. It makes them believe in some sort of alternate reality where trannies rule the world and they are the freedom fighters

>>40114158
I don't believe a man wearing female clothing is a woman.

>>40114158
It's not that trannies rule the world, it's that trannies are useful idiots or token pawns of bureaucratic technocrats who want to enshrine a circular-referenced "expert" class over actual voters and democracy.

>>40114192
See what I mean? To be a transphobe is to be a conspiracy theorist. It's the same reason why JKR ended up a holocaust denier

>>40113991
>most trannies are incredibly socially conservative
Me just completely making shit up

>>40114210
>a conspiracy theorist
Here's a conspiracy theory for you. Since 2014 or so, parents were routinely told by therapists and endocrinologists their child would commit suicide if they didn't allow them to chemically and even surgically transition. And as of this year, they had to confess that claim was completely not based in evidence. And despite that, WPATH and APA and AMA still insist on promoting the claim despite having no standard of evidence.

>>40114229
>no evidence trans people commit suicide if they dont transition
its real bad when the data and a gut feeling both dont agree with you

>>40114229
And the studies that show that transitioning and affirming their gender does in fact improve the lives of trans people? I assume those are simply the product of the "circular-referenced expert class"?

>>40114237
there's almost zero studies that focus on suicide completion rate

>>40114210
Yea it’s pseudo intellectual babble every time. It’s really as simple as these people not being terribly bright, having nothing going for them in their empty lives, and being presented a conspiratorial outgroup to demonize. Because otherwise they have to wrestle with the fact that they are friendless losers who contribute nothing positive. I really pity them

>>40114242
>completion rate
there we go
>"they were just trying to kill themselves bro"

>>40114237
>the data and a gut feeling both dont agree with you
You'd better alert Chase Strangio that the testimony he begrudgingly offered at the Supreme Court while opposing the TN GAC ban was actually false. Because he also had to admit - to fucking SCOTUS - that there is no evidence of suicide rate reduction from GAC.

That you guys can't understand or digest or adjust to this fact, even now, shows what a cult you guys are and confirms either useful idiot or pawn status for you.

>>40114256
self reported lifetime attempt rate is pretty meaningless, completion rate is MUCH stronger evidence

>>40114241
Yeah that's great and all, except therapists and endocrinologist weren't persuading parents by telling them what happy kids they'd have post transition. They were persuading parents by telling them otherwise their kid would die, without evidence.

>>40114256
when you tell people that suicidality is a measure of their validity as part of a "medical condition" and a gender, yeah people are going to attempt stuff for attention without really taking things that could actually kill them
or, people can just ya know, say they did when really they just felt sad and lonely

massive meta-analysis on the effects of gender transition on mental health for anyone who isnt a retard
https://whatweknow.inequality.cornell.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-well-being-of-transgender-people/

>>40114277
and they were right desu

>>40114277
Unhappy children do tend to kill themselves more than happy children. The whole
>actually kids forced to repress don't kill themselves
Is yet another baseless conspiracy

>>40114300
>and they were right desu
If you have evidence for that, why did Chase Strangio and the ACLU and the financed arm of every LGBTQ activist group under the sun lie about it to SCOTUS and say there's no suicide rate improvement?
If it *isnt* a lie, and suicide rates really haven't improved despite GAC, why did all those therapists and endocrinologist tell parents their kids would seppuku despite no evidence?

very ironic that this was a thread about conservatives being evil and it devolved into defensive arguments about how trannies dont need to be happy lmao

>>40114308
>Unhappy children do tend to kill themselves more than happy children
Cool. Then provide the data that demonstrates it conclusively, and explain why when the stakes were highest, LGBT groups were unable to procure it.

>>40114318
i have literally no clue what you are talking about
>>40114329
>"happy people kill themselves less"
>"SOURCE???"

>>40114329
Are you genuinely implying that chronic unhappiness does not increase someone's risk of committing suicide? And conservatives say that they're the ones with common sense on their side lol

>>40113970 (OP)
Bekause konservatives ,and rightoids more generally ,are ontologikally either thoughtless and purely emotionally driven evil beasts ,or very kunning and manipulative evil beasts

>>40114339
>i have literally no clue what you are talking about
Yes, your ignorance is extremely apparent. You have enough details from my post to get the gist from your favorite search engine.

>>40114355
sorry i dont keep up with lawyers and scotus?
i posted evidence that gender transition increases quality of life and you ignored it
weep

>>40114343
>Are you genuinely implying that chronic unhappiness does not increase someone's risk of committing suicide?
I'm genuinely implying that no evidence exists that childhood GAC improves suicide rates AND that that claim was a core argument in compelling parents into those treatment regimes.
In fact, what little evidence exists for GAC and suicide rates show worsened suicide rates for GAC participants.

My meta-point is that for chuds, it's not really about trannies, it's about the slow adoption of lysenkoism and bad policy rooted in below-bar science or just straight up "I made it up" sourcing, perpetuated by standards bodies thst have divorced themselves from evidence or accountability.

>>40114343
trans people have learned to leverage saying they are unhappy to get what they want from others

>>40114380
>My meta-point is that for chuds, it's not really about trannies, it's about the slow adoption of lysenkoism and bad policy rooted in below-bar science or just straight up "I made it up" sourcing
no, most transphobia i and everyone else here has experienced is irrational "lol look at the tranny" hate
you are in a minority
>>40114394
because transition does make them happy?????
i think people should be happy, crazy

if someone also advocated for their happiness against an abusive parent or the likes id support it

>>40114380
>I'm genuinely implying that no evidence exists that childhood GAC improves suicide rates
And as I said, happy children tend to kill themselves less
>In fact, what little evidence exists for GAC and suicide rates show worsened suicide rates for GAC participants.
Post the evidence
>it's not really about trannies
It obviously is about trannies
>it's about the slow adoption of lysenkoism and bad policy
See, this is why I know it's about trannies. If you didn't think that accepting trannies was bad policy you wouldn't care and would instead continue complaining about the globalists or the jews or whatever other conspiracy you believe
>rooted in below-bar science
How come when evidence supports your claims, suddenly it's not below-bar science, what's your standard? Is it just that you believe that studies that agree with what you say are automatically correct and the ones that don't are false?

>>40114410
>irrational "lol look at the tranny" hate
Easily explainable, most chuds are low IQ. They can intuit the structural problems and roughly the social outlet it expresses from, but they don't have the knowledge or the language to describe it beyond "I fucking hate trannies"

>>40114410
transition makes other people happy who feel threatened by you otherwise

>>40114414
>And as I said, happy children tend to kill themselves less
Which is a nice generalize heuristic that doesn't survive the specific case of GAC.
>Post the evidence
DOI 10.1136/bmjment-2023-300940
>the proportion of suicides was higher in the gender-referred group (0.3% vs 0.1%)
You'll note that the researchers themselves describe this as too small a difference to be broadly meaningful to conclude GAC is actually worse, but the fact remains that what data does exist is not favorable for GAC as a suicide reduction. Which again, is what doctors and therapists have been telling parents for 10+ years.
>If you didn't think that accepting trannies was bad policy
I don't have any problem accepting trannies, where acceptance means generally using preferred pronouns and allowing adults to do what they wish within the bounds of existing law without compelling behavior from others.
>How come when evidence supports your claims
My claim is that there is no evidence, and what evidence there is is not favorable. That's disjoint with the pigeonhole you're trying to create here. Exercise to the reader for how and why.

What's crazy is how people on this board like >>40114210 slackjaw-guffaw about chuds being conspiracy theorists while being so disconnected from the state of the research and the rottenness of the claims of their own medical pathways they complete the caricature they mock.

>>40114514
>DOI 10.1136/bmjment-2023-300940
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38367979/
>However, when specialist-level psychiatric treatment was controlled for, neither all-cause nor suicide mortality differed between the two groups
>Conclusions: Clinical gender dysphoria does not appear to be predictive of all-cause nor suicide mortality when psychiatric treatment history is accounted for.
> Clinical implications: It is of utmost importance to identify and appropriately treat mental disorders in adolescents experiencing gender dysphoria to prevent suicide.
Wow great evidence
>I don't have any problem accepting trannies
Then why do you call trans acceptance bad policy?
>My claim is that there is no evidence
But there is evidence. In your own source it says that children with GAC and psychiatric intervention kill themselves at the same rate as cis children.
Again, how is DOI 10.1136/bmjment-2023-300940 different from the "below bar" science that supports trans people?

>>40114581
>Wow great evidence
Next time try reading my own steelman instead of trying to gotcha it.
>Then why do you call trans acceptance bad policy?
I never said trans acceptance was bad policy in thread.
>But there is evidence
This paper is not evidence that meets a convincing bar, that's the entire point. There is no data to answer the question definitively, because almost no research was done over 10 years to answer the question, and what little data exists that doesn't meet the bar isn't favorable.
Which is fine, but again, medical professionals were advising that suicide was practically inevitable without GAC as though it were established medical fact.
It's a completely unaccountable system uncooked from evidence standards.

Last post of mine in thread.

>>40114615
>I never said trans acceptance was bad policy in thread.
>it's about the slow adoption of lysenkoism and bad policy rooted in below-bar science or just straight up "I made it up" sourcing
You claim that evidence that supports trannies is below-bar science or straight up "I made it up" sourcing, and you said that this will lead to bad policy. One can extrapolate from this statement that you think trans acceptance is bad policy, since that's what the evidence suggests.
>>40114615
>This paper is not evidence that meets a convincing bar, that's the entire point. There is no data to answer the question definitively, because almost no research was done over 10 years to answer the question, and what little data exists that doesn't meet the bar isn't favorable.
Then why did you even post it if it isn't actual evidence by your own standards?
>Which is fine, but again, medical professionals were advising that suicide was practically inevitable without GAC as though it were established medical fact.
Here's another thing. Where is the proof that medical professionals were claiming that suicide is inevitable without GAC?
It is a medical fact that GAC does improve the lives of trans people, and happy people do tend to commit suicide less often.
>Last post of mine in thread.
Good

>>40114015
>most of you want to be dolls right
yes

>you think women are passive and submissive
no, and my ideal partner would be a woman who is the opposite of that

>>40113970 (OP)
Nobody does things because they want to do evil
Everyone thinks they are doing the right thing