i think the whole preferred pronouns thing is silly.

>>40115690 (OP)
It IS.

>>40115690 (OP)
I don’t respect people’s pronouns and I don’t think you should tell someone else how they should perceive you. That’s earned. I can barely remember your name I’m not gonna remember you’re a they/it/a-prouned person.>>40115690 (OP)

>>40115690 (OP)
It's for the nonpassers. In my day to day life, I can certainly see why you'd feel that way.

I've never had to tell anybody what pronouns to use, but that's not the case for everybody. Some trans women simply will never look like a woman. Respecting pronouns is something we do to support those people.

>>40115690 (OP)
well, what should trannies do instead?

>>40115745
appear female and you'll be gendered female

>>40115757
oh i do that. but i think that i am not magically worth more than nonpassing trannies and therefore deserving of a better quality of life. we should try for them in my opinion

I think caring about something so inconsequential is feigned and betrays ulterior motives

>>40115778
who said anything about being worth more? i think you're ascribing a lot of judgement here.

>>40115830
social transition is of noticeable benefit to trans people. if you think i deserve that because i got lucky enough to have a mix of late puberty and accepting parents but someone less lucky does not, how are you not judging them

>>40115881
if ppl are manually altering their speech around you then you didn't transition socially.

>>40116243
with hons its more about dignity

>>40115690 (OP)
With regards to pronouns on its own, it was actually one of the right wingers (maybe Ben Shapiro?) that put it into perspective.
They said that they know Blaire White is a man, but to use the word "He" to point them out to someone who may not know Blaire would be more confusing to the other person just to make a point as, in that point, you are using it to point someone out across the room and, despite Blaire being male, they don't look like a man.

>>40115690 (OP)
I agree, they aren’t merely preferred, they ARE the appropriate pronouns to use for me. Of course my family still calls me he/him, but I’ve been on hormones for years and get ma’am’d in public, so that’s just a matter of their obstinance.
I do respect nonbinary identities and they/them pronouns, but I typically find that those people truly are identifiable as such and aren’t the super femme “theyfabs” that you see online. I absolutely abhor it/its pronouns though, that is making a mockery of the concept for the sake of one’s own objectification. It makes some sense to not feel represented in the gender binary, but that should only be relegated to they/them.

>>40115690 (OP)
Okay ma'am

>>40115690 (OP)
oh no! a milquetoast opinion that 95% of trannies agree with!

>>40115690 (OP)
she/her and he/him are perfectly reasonably. When it gets to the silly they bullshit is when I stop giving a shit. No, Lucy, I'm not calling you they/them while you behave identical to a regular woman except for dressing ugly once a week.

>>40115690 (OP)
this. i use he/him for everyone incl cis women. no exceptions.

>>40115690 (OP)
I’m a "hon", as in I girlmode while only getting he/him’d. Yeah, announcing pronouns to a stranger you’ll never see again is silly but I think close friends should respect whatever your preference is if you’re normal about it. I don’t bother with where I live and the people I know but even just getting they/them’d by my one supportive friend is a huge difference and any observant person will see how big of a deal it is. Like yeah, it got turned into a bit of a joke but don’t use it as an excuse to stomp on non-passers while they’re down.