im an ugly mtf manmoder on hrt. and like. i have self awareness right? im not ruining optics, im not risking my life. im just hiding as best i can. i bind my tiny conetits when im outside. i wear masculine clothes and the only thing i allow myself is long hair which i tie in a ponytail anyway - not a femmey one either.

and then i see, every fucking day, people that unironically look like this, usually in a black dress in that godawful stretchy material you know they bought from some shitty chinese site, grotesque shadowy double chins, slightly ratty long hair - i hate them so much. they make me want to throw up. they're literally killing us. they are committing murder. i dont care what affirming rhetoric you are thinking about how "oh they're braver than you you vile little repper you should rope" i dont care. these people are ruining lives far more than i am. they have no empathy, no awareness.

and you know what it does make me wanna rope to see these people. i threw up a few times, it stresses me out so much
if you enable these hons you are complicit in murder

you will never be one of the good ones

>>40123922
im not looking for an ego stroke, much less from conservatives

>>40123949
then stop victim blaming for them

>>40123963
it's hard not to. i'm doing so much to just exist and they live in this way that is harmful to all of us. it fills me with constant terror and disgust. i dont have any answer morally... but i really think we need to be harder on these hons so they learn. idk

>>40123972
but you're objectively wrong and parroting ant-trans propaganda

>>40123980
i just want the people who cant pass to stop giving these people ammo. i am specifically manmoding because im an ugly neverpasser.

>>40123988
they'll find and create ammo either way, stop that you're literally doing what they want

>>40124012
what am i supposed to do, go out and not pass?

>>40124028
I'm not telling you to manmode or not, but your reasoning and the associated bus-throwing-under sucks and is not rational

>>40124040
i mean, they make me sick either way when they do as they do. i can't really stop that reaction. i can't stop the anxiety they induce. i can't stop spiralling when i see one of these gigahons

>>40123894 (OP)
in a way, i almost envy those that can go outside without fear despite not passing. for me, i don't think i'll ever be able to stop manmoding unless i pass, which i doubt i ever will.

>>40124050
this may be blithe and I cringe too, but that's literally a you problem

>>40124063
reminder that this poster is bald and wants you to go out and fail and ruin optics further

>>40124059
I think if I get "close enough" I'll come out and twinkhon mode. I don't expect I'll ever look good enough for myself otherwise.

>>40124089
reminder that you're mom a gay

>>40123980
>”we should let ugly old crossdressers, reddithons, weeaboos, and hypersexual autogynephiles who fetishize themselves online continue to be the forefront of our public image, and this will definitely be beneficial for us and totally not be used against us to justify us being called perverted freaks and be stripped of our rights by government officials who believe they’re doing the right thing”
do you recall how sometimes in elementary school you’d be held back for recess because ONE kid just COULDN’T behave and ruined it for everyone else? think of it like that.

>>40124096
cucked bootlicker logic

>>40124100
>not affirming the people responsible for our hate = bootlicking
okay, you have anything else to add before they send you to the camps in 3 years?

>>40124121
>the people responsible for our hate
are not the fucking trannies, shit for brains

>>40124096
By not transitioning as a trans person with dignity, passing or not, you are letting the shameless define our image. You can't control whether such people crossdress and call themselves trans.

>>40124090
maybe if i get close enough i'll selectively twinkhon mode, but i just find it hard to see myself being in girlmode all the time without reaching passoid status, which i never will

>>40123894 (OP)
i'm out there hon mode gettin random dick and enjoying life fuck optics i only get depressed because something in my brain is severely broken

>>40123894 (OP)
Fuck off back to sharty.

>>40124096
what that person understand is that optics actually do make a difference
like they might have planned to send us to camps from the start but the difference is buying time
5 years vs 50 years alot can happen
but no lets just let the honbeasts stomp around and bring the end now

>>40124168
never been on that site i downloaded this during a raid

>>40124172
substantiate even part of your claim

in b4
>look! cringe hon libsoftiktok posted!

>>40124172
you do not love trans people if you think that being extremely ugly and unpassing means we don't deserve a shot at acceptance

>>40124175
this isnt an easily proven ask. i think you know that's a little unfair. weve seen hons used as ammo more than anything else - they have other tactics but does denying them this not help? idk

>>40124197
great! so your concerns are entirely rooted in rhetoric, and you've drank the kool-aid and are regurgitating this TERF/christuck garbage with no material basis

fuck you
do better, hon

>>40124175
not going to when you engage in bad faith arguments on the reg </3
trips are at least honest in the end about their intentions
you wont stop until the whole world is as wretched hateful and ugly as you

>>40124208
sneethe

>>40124207
why are u acting like everyone in this thread is one person?

>>40123894 (OP)
you make manmoders look bad sissy cuck

>>40124236
?

>>40124100
>>40123922
>>40123963
>>40123980
>>40124012
kys agp rape hon
how many kids did you molest today?

>>40124270
idk shes advocating for a certain kind of empathy but i just disagree with her. maybe we, maybe im the sick tranny.

>>40124283
this >>40124270 is what you're siding with, what you directly enable and empower, when you do this shit OP

please do better

>>40124292
idk i guess it comes down to that someone should stop existing around other people and either its me or the rapehons with 0 self awareness. thats a hard pill to swallow

>>40124304
>it comes down to that someone should stop existing around other people
that's fucking awful lol how do you rationalize that absurd fatalistic conclusion? I suspect some kind of black-and-white thinking about categories not rooted in material evidence and sustained by its own circular reasoning...

>>40124207
no, they’re rooted in the fact that pages like libs of tiktok and gays against groomers have built massive social media pages around defeating “gender ideology”, and the main people posted to these pages are perverts hiding the trans movement and hons who look like men, and they paint these people as examples of the entire trans population. they also have influenced government legislation and people like Matt Walsh and JK Rowling are notable pundits who push this narrative as well. it’s not “TERF/christcuck” rhetoric, it is literally happening in real time and we need optics. it’s not “bootlicking” to say we need to stop associating with people who use the label for malicious intent and stop letting ourselves be walked all over by the media and being told that we’re somehow ALL “perverted old men who want to get into women’s restrooms” and “confused young people who are being groomed into mutilating themselves”. there is quite literally no point in associating with the people who ruin our image

>>40124316
so your entire body of evidence is hateful transphobes' rhetoric
how do you not see that you're literally proving my point?

>>40123922
>why does everyone hate the lgbt
any movement with neurodivergents as a large demographic always gets these tonedeaf autists who think that just forcing things will get people to listen because they are impulsive and take an inflexible moral standpoint to their cause. You niggas rightfully get shit on and ruin it for others without even being able to understand it. It is just so crazy, actually live in the real world for once

>>40124313
if you want to convince me im wrong youve been doing a poor job at it this whole thread. im trying to give you ground here and its like you dont want it

>>40124329
?

>>40124343
we're not debating and I don't want your worthless concessions - I want you to do better
like I'm just telling you that you're doing your oppressors' work and you're objectively fucking wrong, retard

>>40124348
why are you being mean...

>>40124348
all right bro when we're in camps you can tell me how good it feels to sit in your moral high chair and tell us it was all worth it over semantics and an exercise in ideological purity

>>40124364
because your OP is fucking mean, and you're not being rational by giving into and then SPREDING literal propaganda

fuck you

>>40124378
go fuck yourself I don't think I'm better than anyone or have any high ground here, I'm dealing with the objective reality that people feeling like and expressing themselves like OP is the intended effect of this garbage and you can't fucking fall for it

>>40124379
i don't know what to do. i'm not living my life because i'm scared of ruining things for others. i don't want to be a burden. it stresses me out to see others doing so. that's all

>>40124408
>i'm not living my life because i'm scared of ruining things for others
and that's terrible, I actually feel bad for you because that just fucking sucks and you're letting yourself be victimized by an anti-humanitarian agenda - you're not a burden for existing or wanting to be yourself, FUCK that notion to death

but you literally can learn to work on your own interpretation of and reaction to cringe boomerhons and any other form of non-passoid, and that would probably do a lot for and maybe even go hand in hand with letting yourself feel more free to live as yourself (even if that's just something small like gaying or girling up some part of your general presentation or whatever idk) instead of staying in this state that's obviously making you unhappy

>>40124408
You are still a bad person because you haven't donated away all your possesions. You aren't enjoying them anyway and it would improve the lives of others.

>>40124392
>>40124435
continue espousing trans liberation nonsense then
you know visibility was a mistake

>>40124447
continue choking on rightoid and terf cock, loser

>>40124447
i used to be a big optics person like you who hated visibility. but honestly ive learned it's actually just the media propaganda machine, and a refusal to acknowledge that trans people are individual human beings.

why shouldn't trans people have an equal quality of life to cis people? why shouldn't we work towards that?

>>40124392
You really dont' get to control how others react to you. Be a hardass. be pissed at OP. Just watch where this leads.

>>40124817
>You really dont' get to control how others react to you.
but that's exactly my point

>>40124541
If you care about social acceptability, you care about optics. But you're right in that the media is not the same as people, and there's huge distortions.

>why shouldn't trans people have an equal quality of life to cis people? why shouldn't we work towards that?
Nothing wrong with working towards that. As far as why don't they have an equal QOL? Go check with advocates for mental ilness.

>>40124444
i don't think not doing consistently the best thing means someone is bad. but yeah, doing this would be the best thing.

>>40123894 (OP)
you cant discern between what discomforts you and what is actually wrong

you are sentenced to posting about these women on 4chan forever while they live out their lives in peace

>>40123894 (OP)
cis women and men can be fat and ugly and it doesn't reflect on the whole group
this is like blaming black people for racism just became some if then rape and murder and shut guns out of cars