Why aren't incels part of pride? We're a sexual minority too, it would go a long way in reducing suicides and school shootings

>>40126653 (OP)
shut up retard.

>>40126672
I'm sorry OP, that was very mean of me.

>>40126653 (OP)
They should be
We should drop the lgb and be rtfi
Roiders, trannies, furries, and incels

>>40126653 (OP)

Being an incel does not saying anything about your sexual orientation. Correct me if I'm wrong but it is just about not having a partner, not wanting a partner. And even if it were, their orientation can just be heterosexual. Which defeats the purpose of lgbt existing to distinguish and cultivate a culture seperate from those of heterosexual orientation.

>>40126699
>Correct me if I'm wrong but it is just about not having a partner, not wanting a partner
I will correct you, it means you're looking for a partner but can't find one.

>. And even if it were, their orientation can just be heterosexual. Which defeats the purpose of lgbt existing to distinguish and cultivate a culture seperate from those of heterosexual orientation
Just because you're straight doesn't mean you can't be a part of an sexual minority who is discriminated against. LGBT has the B, they like opposite sex too. Meanwhile incels are receiving hate minorities got 20-30 years back

>>40126653 (OP)
come to pride and suck my cock, fagboy
and by pride i mean my goon cave

>>40126711
kys white nigger.

>>40126711
Ok maybe i need to pretend to just be an incel
>t. bottom chaser

>>40126711
Kek I'm fucking 30 man, most incels are older men

>>40126707

>Just because you're straight doesn't mean you can't be a part of an sexual minority who is discriminated against.

I did not say it defeats the purpose of lgbt to like the opposite sex. I said it defeats the purpose to be heterosexual, which exclusively likes the other sex. Bisexuals are included because of their interest in the same sex, not because of their attraction to the opposite.

The purpose of the lgbt is not to simply protect minorities either, marginalized sexual or gender orientation is essential. That does not include all incels. If it were they'd include all hispanics, blacks, indians, disabled etc.

>>40126754
Anon you literally have a black stripe on your flag.... Why do you have such a problem with incels... Sure allowing heterosexuals in goes against the spirit but practically they suffer more than any other sexual minority. That's right, they are a sexual minority so to gatekeep them because they like girls is really contrived since many other minorities do too. There are a lot of bisexuals who never touch a guy and what about asexuals? Why can they get in but incels can't?

>>40126771

There are many flags that aren't indicative of the most useful or popular ideas espoused when we mention Lgbt. Lgbt and progressivism are two different idealogies. Any marginalized group can be progressive, not all of them are lgbt. Only a small minority think of brown people when they think of the lgbt community, so it is inappropriate to represent them that way, especially given there are movements specifically in place for those of color, the disabled, etc. Doing so weakens the effectiveness of either movement.

Heterosexuals which include incels, are agreed to not be marginalize and thus not need any movement from the lgbt.

>Why do you have such a problem with incels...

Keep this conversation fact based.

>>40126851
Nta, but incels are agreed to be marginalized. Just not by lgbt activists who gatekeep marginalization. Ask any incel. They'll tell you they'd probably be treated better and taken seriously if they were gay, but due to their sexual orientation and lack of heterosexually attractive looks, it's just over for them. They're discriminated against and put aside, not just for being "ugly," but for being heterosexual and ugly.

Your perspective is that it's fact based, but that's just your perspective, not facts. Anyone who claims hard facts on 4chan is a redditer tourist.

>>40126771
>Anon you literally have a black stripe on your flag.... Why do you have such a problem with incels...
A lot of us have a problem with that, too, because it's really stupid

>>40126653 (OP)
no, keep making foids suffer.

>>40127085
I couldn't have said it better than that

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>>40126653 (OP)
Then make a flag and go to pride faggot, its an open event you retard

>>40127168
Lol

>>40127085

I didn't say incels aren't marginalized.

>Your perspective is that it's fact based, but that's just your perspective, not facts.

You didn't point out which opinion isn't fact based. If it's the opinion that incels aren't marginalized that's not my opinion.

Again heterosexuals aren't marginalized. When we say this we mean targeted for their heterosexuality. If OP wanted to make a case for gay incels I wouldn't reply, because they're gay. They're making a case for all incels, which isn't lgbt by metrics I already outlined as unusual, ineffective and largely unnecessary due to the normalization of heterosexuality.

These are all conclusions based on facts like the amount of representation in lgbt communities, what advertising of lgbt events and media coverage look like, what laws effect what groups in certain states etc. It should not be ambiguous what groups are most commonly associated with the lgbt, or the most common and and influential objectives of the lgbt movement.

Neither of those include heterosexual incels. OP does. Therefore OPs objective and that of the lgbt do not align.

>>40126653 (OP)
i like incels and i think some of them are cute
i would fix you if i were not monogamous

>>40127393
Pity sex doesn't cure i celdom

limbus company is queer media

>>40127479
obviously but pity is an expression of love even if not a desirable one
i can understand not wanting pity because someone feeling pity for you has nothing to do with you as a person and is a broad 'wow i feel bad for you', but that doesn't mean it's not real
people are incels because of bad luck on genetics, charisma, whatever and if i could fix that for you i would

>>40126653 (OP)
So are pederasts and they have a legit historical claim to be part of gay rights, much more than the trannies and bisexuals even

>>40126653 (OP)
if you're like 27+ i will let u fuck me there is no reason for u to be non sex.

>>40127350
>You didn't point out which opinion isn't fact based.
You didn't point out what facts you're calling facts. In any case, you're a redditor for saying that we need to keep things "fact based." It's a red flag for policing thought crime.

>Again heterosexuals aren't marginalized. When we say this we mean targeted for their heterosexuality.
You're gatekeeping marginalization by redefining what it is. Here's what marrium webster says:
"having marginal social or political status : relegated to an unimportant or powerless position within a society or group"
And here's what dictionary.com says:
"placed in a position of little or no importance, influence, or power."

It has little to do with being actively discriminated against but instead about being failed and ignored by the system. And heterosexuals are marginalized if they're incels.

>They're making a case for all incels, which isn't lgbt by metrics I already outlined as unusual, ineffective and largely unnecessary due to the normalization of heterosexuality.
It being normal for people to be hetero and be hated for it doesn't make intervention unneccessary. And incels being a sect of heterosexuals shouldn't justify excluding them. Bisexuals are included. They're just the heterosexuals who are also homosexuals. And you don't even have to be gay. You can be asexual and still meet the criteria for being a part of lgbt. So what gives?
>These are all conclusions based on facts
Your perspective. You don't decide facts. Nobody does, and if they say they're factual, they're going to be biased.
>what laws effect
affect*
>It should not be ambiguous what groups are most commonly associated with the lgbt or the most common and influential objectives of the lgbt movement.
But it is and they are. It's "lgbtq+". It's supposed to support all marginalized and disadvantaged sexualities and sexual identities. It says "+". Incels fit that definition to a T. If they had any other sexuality, they'd be treated better.

>>40128169

>you're a redditor
>red flag

Ok.

>You're gatekeeping marginalization by redefining what it is. Here's what marrium webster says:

What we mean is more relevant to if our ideas are correct than our words. Webster is a tool for sharing ideas, it's irrelevant to what I mean. So if you care about whose ideas when implemented actually align with reality, drop the dictionary.

The purpose of me saying heterosexuals aren't marginalized is to point out the qualifications and utility of becoming apart of the lgbt. It's not to appeal to the dictionary definition of marginalized. So you doing that doesn't prove anything except an unwillingness or inability to engage with the context of my argument around the word. I assume you're not autistic and expect you to engage using some level of intuition as to what I mean, anything else is unproductive.

>And heterosexuals are marginalized if they're incels.

You can use the word marginalized that way if you want but, again, it doesn't align with most of the lgbt's qualifications for inclusion or their stated goals.

Do you see now why we can't just quote the dictionary for credibility in an argument about what people find acceptable, as if marriam webster is organizing your political movement?

>It being normal for people to be hetero and be hated for it doesn't make intervention unneccessary

It's not. That's a fringe positions among the far left. And obviously most people are hetero btw. Just nonsense.


And if it were the case they should make their own movement, because it subtracts from the lgbt movement to include heterosexuals in a community that is preyed upon specifically for their lack of heterosexuality lol.

>>40128169

>But it is and they are. It's "lgbtq+". It's supposed to support all marginalized and disadvantaged sexualities and sexual identities. It says "+"

There are seperate movements for much of the +. All of them belong to their movement or the progressive party, as most of their campaigning dictates and most of the lgbt campign dictates. It's also better that way. Too much overlap and inclusion distracts from attempts to organize and coherently represent a group.

>>40128269
>What we mean is more relevant to if our ideas are correct than our words. Webster is a tool for sharing ideas, it's irrelevant to what I mean. So if you care about whose ideas when implemented actually align with reality, drop the dictionary.
Show me the lgbt dictionary, then. And if you're using an alternative, not really accepted, definition, then you need to say so, or else you're willfully sowing confusion.


>The purpose of me saying heterosexuals aren't marginalized is to point out the qualifications and utility of becoming apart of the lgbt. It's not to appeal to the dictionary definition of marginalized.
Then use another word besides "marginalized" if it's not what you mean.

>So you doing that doesn't prove anything except an unwillingness or inability to engage with the context of my argument around the word
Yeah, that. Or you're just full of shit. Why should I believe you?
>assume you're not autistic and expect you to engage using some level of intuition as to what I mean, anything else is unproductive.
Or you could just, you know, say what you mean.

>it doesn't align with most of the lgbt's qualifications for inclusion or their stated goals.
You said it goes against lgbt to include black heterosexuals. Incels are different because they're discriminated against for their heterosexuality. Blacks would not benefit by not being hetero.

>Do you see now why we can't just quote the dictionary
Because we might use "affect" correctly?

>obviously most people are hetero btw. Just nonsense.
Bisexuals are hetero. And don't come at me saying they're in lgbt because they're homo. Asexuals are not homo. Trans are not always homo.

>they should make their own movement, because it subtracts from the lgbt movement
Gatekeeping

>include heterosexuals in a community that is preyed upon specifically for their lack of heterosexuality lol.
Again, bisexuals exist. Straight trans exist. It has nothing to do with lacking heterosexuality or being homosexual.

>>40128327
Well, okay? Then can incels be a part of lgbtq+? In my mind, there was little difference between the two anyway and if you google it, lgbt is usually used interchangably with lgbtq or lgbtq+, so I don't care. It will mean the same shit in people's eyes anyway. And you will continue being ignored or resented as someone gatekeeping getting their sexual social inequalities fixed.

>>40128428

>Show me the lgbt dictionary

Maybe half your language is not meant to be taken literally/according to the dictionary definition lol. If I were to critique you literally when you spoke we'd never have any ideological progress. It's pedantic.

And you can find most of the lgbt's stated goals for yourself with enough time through media coverage, laws, events and overall participation. I already pointed this out.

>discriminated against for their heterosexuality

Their heterosexuality is not the main contention. You're just using "for" vaguely, by insinuating because heterosexuality and virginity have to do with sexuality incels are targeted mainly for their heterosexuality. In reality they're mostly prosecuted for their virginity.

>Bisexuals are hetero. And don't come at me saying they're in lgbt because they're homo. Asexuals are not homo. Trans are not always homo.

No they're not, they must have homosexual preferences so they need protections from the lgbt movement. Incels don't. I don't include asexuals in the lgbt unless they share some other letter because there's barely any outrage over asexuality. The progressive party can take them.


>>40128468

The + in lgbt + should be for other groups marginalized for their sexuality/gender. Not incels, as I just said.

You can join some progressive movement or make your own.

>ignored or resented

I think the person trying to add incels to n organization that is about sexual and gender identity is taken a lot less seriously than someone with a non emotional and strict definition of what it means to be lgbt, in a movement centered around accomplishing tangible political change lol.

Hey. I'll be waiting for that incel movement. Surely if incel problems are so important, and aligns with the lgbt, we'll see that one day right. Bye.

>>40128665
Nta let's be real, incels will never be accepted into the LGBT movement because they're being treated like OG gays right now. You're guilty of it too

>>40126653 (OP)
i don't think you're very proud of being an incel, OP :p

>>40128835

Guilty of not caring who is an incel? In that case you're right I sure don't lol.

>>40128971
This. Being an incel is about what you are not, not about what you are.

>>40129106
i mean in my eyes it'd be like saying "starving" is a diet! the second an incel says "actually i'm okay being an incel" they become a volcel. pride is about accepting who you are, an incel by their very nature cannot accept who they are or they are no longer an incel. its a non-starter :p

>>40128665
>If I were to critique you literally when you spoke we'd never have any ideological progress.
That just sounds like excuses. I'm not drowning you in semantics. Either way. If we can't agree on what is being said, then progress can't be made anyway. You're sowing confusion by not making clear what is being said and just saying words mean whatever you want them to mean and then calling me autistic for not reading minds.

>And you can find most of the lgbt's stated goals for yourself with enough time through media coverage, laws, events and overall participation. I already pointed this out.
Ah, so it's just a general vibe you have you think is true. Just your annecdotal experience.

>In reality they're mostly prosecuted for their virginity.
Their virginity is a part of the punishment. They wouldn't be incels if they weren't heterosexual men. Homosexual men and women aren't hated for being virgins at all.
>they must have homosexual preferences so they need protections from the lgbt movement
Trans people and asexuals don't need to have homosexual preferences to warrant protection. So it can't be homosexuality that's required for membership in lgbtq+.

>You're just using "for" vaguely, by insinuating because heterosexuality and virginity have to do with sexuality incels are targeted mainly for their heterosexuality.
That's a strawman. I'm not saying that. If incels weren't heterosexual, they likely wouldn't have to be incels anymore. They're not hated because they're virgins. They're virgins because they're hated.

>I don't include asexuals in the lgbt unless they share some other letter because there's barely any outrage over asexuality. The progressive party can take them.
So, ignoring straight trans people, then? Ignoring queer people who aren't homo or hetero?

>>40126653 (OP)
>it would go a long way in reducing suicides
But incels killing themselves is a good thing?

>>40128665
>marginalized for their sexuality/gender. Not incels, as I just said.
I don't think you know what that word means. And even if incels aren't explitly berated for their sexuality, they effectively are.
>think the person trying to add incels to n organization that is about sexual and gender identity is taken a lot less seriously than someone with a non emotional and strict definition of what it means to be lgbt, in a movement centered around accomplishing tangible political change lol.
>
Bro, you literally just said that your definitions are based on general vibes you took up from lgbt. Mine are from a dictionary. You're the one with the emotional and slack definition of what lgbt means.

>Hey. I'll be waiting for that incel movement. Surely if incel problems are so important, and aligns with the lgbt, we'll see that one day right. Bye.
Incels can't and won't because they are marginalized and excluded from progressive movements and can't find a home anywhere on any side of the political spectrum. The right hates incels for being incels. The left hates incels for being oriented opposite to feminism.

>>40126711
>>40126731
I am not into men, but unironically my one exception would be topping some shy incel type and taking his virginity. It's so cringe to type it lmao

>>40126653 (OP)
Baoyu would want you to kill yourself man. Nobody is persecuting you you're just annoying. You get better by talking to people and making friends