Why are the cisoids so obsessed with reproducing? I 100% get it if you believe in God or for other religious reasons. Secular people who want to have kids freak me out. You understand there is no purpose behind it but continuance of a temporary state. Speciation and extinction are hard limits to humanities wound in time. Life that thinks is life that feels pain. Why would I want to create life that can feel pain and knows it will die? I would have to devote an incredible amount of my time and my societies resources to do it. My society already over consumes, and resources are going to become more scarce. This modern state of existence is temporary. My family wanted me to for a long time. That is a bad reason to create sentient life. I cant really think of an ethical reason to reproduce. I blame walking with dinosaurs for both my antinatalism and transness. Im making the thread because I see people use infertility to call gay and trans people unethical often. Are catholic priest unethical for their sacrifice? Do the coming centuries require more serfs from me specifically? What is the point of life? To waste the energy of the sun in a fun way that doesn’t hurt others.

>>40146632 (OP)
I think it's more like of a feeling of acomplishment. I always cum inside but trans woman aren't gonna give me a child. I should try harder.

>>40146632 (OP)
You got it completely ass backwards lmao. You think people who are obsessed with reproducing because a so-called “holy book” written by schizos says so are acting rationally? I mean, I guess you can say that if you completely swallow their bullshit and take all their batshit claims for granted, but bffr, we both know that shit isn’t reasonable in the slightest. The materialist has an imperative to procreate because it is the closest they will ever get to immortality, even if it’s a poor substitute.

women only have power in a society that values reproduction above all else, women control society, women want to keep the power they have by writing religious books mandating that men breed, gays be killed, and women be protected

>>40146632 (OP)
Furry
Because its cool its like playing God in some sense

>63
Nice bait
Nigger

>>40146676
it's not bait, it's the genuine actual reason natalism is so prominent in our society
we could easily have a system where women don't have total control, but people are terrified to confront them because you will be socially exiled for suggesting women are doing anything malevolent

>>40146650
My feeling on the ethics aside the idea of being impregnated is one of my only two kinks. The other being a furry. Legit my first sexual thoughts in high school were all about getting y’know and then having his kids.
>>40146662
The Christian does not know that it is delusion, and so to them it is rational. They can lack information but have reasoning that makes sense with what they know.
>>40146668
True. It is pretty neat. I am unfortunately a moral fag.
>>40146681
I find its usually the men I know that are much more obsessed with legacy/reproduction. I will say the first antinatalist I met was a MRA lol. All after have been cis women.

>>40146632 (OP)
honestly i still feel a lot of guilt that i won't be reproducing. i find that that feeling has only grown as ive gotten older

>>40146693
>I find its usually the men I know that are much more obsessed with legacy/reproduction.
male values are a reflection of female values
cis women who are anti-natalist are likely lesbians who never got much female privilege anyways
women who breed are seen as the pinnacle of society, and the thing to be most protected

>>40146693
So you literally answer why people have kids
I think people shouldn’t have that many kids but people should have kids

>>40146632 (OP)
I did not even have a particularly good relationship with my parents, but even so, a lot of how I think and view the world came from them. Even the words that you typed and the drawing that you posted, those came from other people. The idea of a beautiful human-like animal drawing came from someone else who inherited and adapted it from someone else. I read that drawings are illegal in Islam. You would never be able to see that drawing under Islam. The continuation of beautiful patterns is beautiful. It's a small tragedy when things die out, that's why some humans even work together to preserve art and endangered animal species. I wouldn't say it is unethical to not reproduce. The truth is that all throughout history there just are people that don't reproduce, nature is set up that way. But reproduction and preserving things is beautiful and it is sort of unfortunate when things die out.

>>40146632 (OP)
>Why are the cisoids so obsessed with reproducing?
Because we are a self aware species concerned with legacy and longevity and continuation.
It has very little to do with organized religion.
Do you really find this surprising?

>>40146714
Well said. OP is a retard.

>>40146702
Where are you from? How old are you? Every cis woman ive met who was antinatalist was a straight college girl. The women into the reproducing thing are usually poorer less educated ones who grew up religious. Kinda like me.
>>40146714
>>40146712
I understand why people have kids and want to. I just do not understand why people are often hostile to gay and trans people for specifically not reproducing. If I go full psycho isn’t that just giving their offspring more access to resources? Isn’t it a kind of sacrifice? I just don’t understand it as an attack. Its why I think of monks. They dedicate their life to preserving something that does not originate from them. That is selfless. That is noble. Its that desire to self perpetuate eternally that is an impossible thing for me to feel I think. I do not hate myself. Im actually pretty fond of myself lol, but I have no desire for illusory permanence. I take comfort in my finiteness. I don’t want to have much of an effect on the world after I die.
>>40146748
I am surprised yeh. Most people I know who have kids put very little thought into it. It just kinda happens. That is an alien recklessness to me. I worry too much about what harm they would do to the world, and what harm the world would do to them. Im out here trying not to step on bugs tho. I know Im weird.

>>40146793
>rich women don't want kids
lol
most women want kids, maybe not by the time they are in college, but eventually
I have a feeling those anti-natalists you met in school may change their mind in 10 years.

>>40146793
>That is an alien recklessness to me
Lots of people are very intentional about their family planning, especially in the modern age of birth control. What you seem to find reckless is their assumption of the life goal to have kids? That assumption is extremely normal. Most people consider their existence an experiential qualitative gift, which is why most people attempt to hold onto life as much as possible and not commit suicide. If your life is a gift, and you consider it a gift, then it follows that creating life is providing a gift to that new life, with some expectations in place for providing it a decent chance at happiness that lots of people think is still possible in the modern world.

>>40146821
You’re right that is how most people think about their life. For me I view it as more my individual consequence of gravity. My existence is a wound in time waiting to heal. I am happy. I enjoy being alive. It’s mostly fun. I don’t think Im comfortable giving this ‘gift’ to someone else. My life has been incredible violent. I have had to do stuff I regret. Others have done worse. If I bring another into the world they will be subject to the same negative impulses and pains that all life has to manage. It’s a gift with a shelf life and promise of pain and death as it expires.

>>40146884
Yeah, so thst tracks with the rubric I suggested - it sounds like you consider your life a dubious gift. Not that you don't want it, but that it's maybe not all that it's hyped up to be.
People who want kids and have kids without qualms love their lives and consider it a benefit full stop, and that includes people who experience pain and trauma. So it's purely an outlook distinction.

>>40146793
Isn't it kind of a sacrifice on your part and giving their offspring more resources? Yes, it is. And I think that is why some people do actually support non-reproductive people such as lgbt.
You ask then why are some people hostile to it, and I have come to view it this way: they don't want non-reproductive ideas getting into their offspring. The church guy, he doesn't hate lgbt actually, but he has to condemn it loudly and often because he wants his offspring to see it as negative and not do it.

>>40146906
99% of people hate gays

Why should i consider suffering that exists under discrete historical circumstances transhistorically universal

>>40146899
Life is great. Without it you’d be dead. Life is really beautiful. Full of wonder and illusion. Likewise climate induced famine, state failure, and armed conflict. Broken bones, dead dogs, and lonely homes. First bit is stolen from gummo. The future is an increasingly harsh place for children in my opinion. I don’t want that to be true, but that isn’t really up to me. I think people in general over estimate control over their kids. I have worked with kids a bit but mostly young men 17-20. The paths branch strangely. I think this also colors my view.
>>40146906
Going even further than that. I think there were probably strong selective pressure for non reproductive behavior in early hominids. Group selection vs individual selection. I think you’re right on the behavior control bit. For people who believe in eternal punishment I get the vitriol, but most of the people I meat who really really hate gay and trans people are secular. I think its just because Im 26 and people my age aren’t generally religious where I live.
>>40146914
Grass
>>40146964
If you are promising a better future I’d like some evidence. Would cheer me up tremendously.

>To waste the energy of the sun in a fun way that doesn’t hurt others

>>40147029
Im sorry solar panels contain a demiurgic force.

>>40147003
>The future is an increasingly harsh place for children in my opinion
But that's different than what you started with, which was not understanding the reproductive urge. Whereas life quality for a kid is something basically everyone can understand even if they fall on different sides of the line

>>40147003
>If you are promising a better future I’d like some evidence. Would cheer me up tremendously.
nta (obvi) but it's important to note that humans have never lived longer, happier lives than they do currently.
i'm not saying there aren't more people suffering than there ever have. the current population of the globe exceeds the sum total of humanity that precedes it, so of course there is some temporary inequality, but the point is that the world gets tangibly better every day that you *don't give up*

Cissoids want to reproduce because they know they don't have enough money for services and assistance when they become very old, senile, or disabled. We take care of you now so you take care of me later. The awful thing is having a child means they can work you for significantly cheaper than an adult while being allowed to neglect you. It's like getting free government care that you can abuse, forever.