Can you get rid of agp? Or is there no point in continuing to fight it? I'm 21 and I've been conscious of it since 14-15

>>40147027 (OP)
Your just autistic

>>40147027 (OP)
You can just like jerk off and cum

>>40147027 (OP)
your life is your journey
have tits, don't have tits, the choice is up to you

AGP is the result of males being told from a young age that their natural sexuality is rape. As a coping mechanism they fantasize about becoming the woman and this reduces the amount of guilt they feel because, until recently, they were never told that AGP is wrong

It will be interesting to see what happens in the psychosocial development of young males now that they are being told that not only is being attracted to women wrong, but also wanting to be fucked by males is wrong

This can't lead to anything good but it's the world the christian right wants and they control everything now, so we might as well make popcorn and enjoy the show

>>40147027 (OP)
Prayer
Confession
Crying
Charity
Love and
Humility

>>40147502
PCCCLH?
PCCCLaH?
what did she mean by this?

>>40147027 (OP)
agp is based just stop crying about it and inject estrogen you'll probably be fine

>>40147398
nah im just a degenerate masochistic autist who found the idea of being feminized thrilling cause of the novelty and now i get to live some crazy schizo life where i take estrogen as a male. agp tendencies often start before puberty read theory before you shill blanchardism

>>40147027 (OP)
Yeah, just realize that those feelings are just yearning for a female body through a sexualized lens and transition and come to understand that having a fem body and wearing fem clothes is cool but it’s not gonna just be turning you on constantly. Then think retrospectively about your “fetish” and how it weirdly included an envy for normal girls dressed normally without sexual feels and understand that most people’s ““““AGP”””” is just a symptom of repression and misunderstanding trans feelings.
Don’t get me wrong, there are some true weirdos out there transitioning, and in trying to interact with the broader trans community you will run into them, but this place too frivolously accuses one another of being those weirdos for not having the utterly ideal trans experience
>Verification no required.

>>40147027 (OP)
No, AGP is a sexuality, and sexuality in adult males is immutable.

>>40147923
>sexuality in adult males is immutable.
is it really that different for females
as a straight man i fucking hate it and i wish i were agp

>>40147937
>is it really that different for females
I don't know, if you read the literature, it usually says that sexuality is immutable in adult males, citing the numerous examples of homosexual men who tried to become heterosexual. I don't have info on female sexuality.
>as a straight man i fucking hate it and i wish i were agp
Why? I'm AGP, and I enjoy it, but I imagine a regular straight man would enjoy heterosexuality as much as I enjoy AGP.

>>40147952
>Why?
because i would much rather be AGP
i hate that my brain is attracted to women in this way
men are horny animals and i feel like a lower life form as a result
i would much rather just be a woman holy shit
>I imagine a regular straight man would enjoy heterosexuality as much as I enjoy AGP.
being a regular heterosexual man is actually dogshit, men are obsessed with all this dumb shit because they constantly need to control their sexuality

>>40148014
>men are horny animals and i feel like a lower life form as a result
>>40147398
Confirmed

>>40147658
I’m
One of those weirdos
I’m sorry for running into me at trans meetings, I made sure to sit down and listen and not make people feel bad
Iwnbaw
Iwabaagp

>>40148055
idk if it's guilt or jealousy for me either way i would feel like a skinwalking straight man if i trooned

>>40147606
yeah idk why the consensus on here is that AGP develops at puberty, i first felt AGP feelings at or before age 5

>>40147658
But I kinda do feel like a weirdo. I feel weird after indulging in it, I don't crave it all the time. Sometimes I'm completely fine as a dude. I also tried e a couple times and quit every time after 2 weeks(I think because of the libido drop + being afraid that my nipples were budding so rapidly)

>>40147027 (OP)
HRT killed it in1-2 months for me.

>>40147658
>“AGP” is just a symptom of repression and misunderstanding trans feelings.
so real sis

>>40148469
don't listen to that anon. not everything we feel is a sign of some deeper issue, life isn't a movie and the brain is a clusterfuck of random impulses.

i would say take a step back and think rationally about whether you would feel happier as a trans girl, and then think rationally about whether it's anywhere near realistic given your starting point. some people with a good starting point and nothing to lose do transition primarily for agp and end up happy, others end up throwing away a perfectly good life for little to no reward and end up regretting it big time. either way, you shouldn't feel pressured to go one way or the other. you could even maybe try a third way like crossdressing, boymoding, nonbinary coping, etc.

it's your life, you should feel free to make whatever decision you want.

>>40148798
the third way is manmoding

>>40147027 (OP)
You are a trans woman. Everyone has meta attraction especially women.

>>40148798
Don’t listen to this anon telling you not to listen to me earlier >>40147658 . Listen to them about the fact that you’re allowed to be nonbiney or cd and should consider that carefully, but don’t not listen to me if you have misplaced guilt about blanchardian gobbledygook relating to possibly being binary trans.

>>40147027 (OP)
it's dysphoria
take your HRT, retard

>>40147398
I was never told anything like that and I'm still agp,,

>>40149049
they are correct that for some AGPs the opportunity cost is greater than the potential return. dudes be blowing their lives up for it and then live lonely lives as honmoders. although if you can pass or at least reach twinkhon status it’s actually pretty rewarding and sort of normalizes the concept of being a woman so you’re not as pathological.

>>40150212
My life is kind of nowhere atm but I realise that with every day I'm locking myself into a more masculine life (jobs etc.). My main two worries are how I'll deal with my family(no way I'm coming out) and how I'll deal with having a job. I don't mind being feminine rather than fully socially transitioning, I actually find it even better, but I'm worried what's gonna happen when breasts become too hard to hide. The previous time when i tried E and lived my normal life I constantly felt like some kind of impostor pretending to be a normal guy. This feeling also contributed to me quitting

>>40149682
AGP is a different thing than dysphoria.

>>40147027 (OP)
my agp went away completely after 1.5 years of hrt
having tits just feels normal now and i when look at myself in the mirror wearing fem clothes it does absolutely nothing
instead i started liking rough sex where i get choked and slapped and held down

>>40147027 (OP)
What does continuing to fight it mean? Trooning out? LMAO you have a porn addicted brain and your solution is to consider castrating yourself and making yourself into a weird hon beast? Learn some self control instead, faggot.

>>40150667
LOL
prove it

>>40147027 (OP)
I’m 28 and still have AGP.

>>40148014
Having AGP really sucks. Heterosexual, homosexual, or bisexual people can follow their innate sexual desires to find a romantic partner from which they can have a meaningful life. Being AGP feels like it is inherently impossible to do this. I feel like I will be alone forever and that it would be weird to try and find a romantic partner, since I do not actually want to have sex with them. Maybe if I were to troon out it would be different, but I don’t actually know if that would solve anything, for one, and it would additionally cause so many problems that everyone else does not have.

>>40150666
well there’s no reason to feel like an impostor, taking estrogen as a male doesn’t have to mean you are trans or transitioning. if it alleviates dysphoria enough for you to live comfortably, it’s worth it imo. i wouldn’t stress too much about when you get breasts, really, most trans women never get above A cup. the only trannies i know with sizable breasts were fatties pre transition so already had man boobs. you can even be like “yeah my testosterone is so high the romanized estrogen gave me gyno” as an excuse.
>>40150840
that literally sounds like you have just substituted your transvestitic AGP with behavioral AGP (having rough sex)
>>40150918
the 1000s of men who are autogynephilic without dysphoria? there are plenty of people to whom AGP is only a “kink” and outside of the bedroom it doesn’t affect their lives.

>>40147027 (OP)
i got rid of it for a whole 6 months once but it came back in a dream :(

>>40151028
I find it gives me purpose, fulfilling AGP is a very difficult goal, but its not impossible.
Try to maximize your lifespan, so you will live to see non-mediocre transition tech, or tech so good its no longer even called "transitioning". Experiment in your daily life with advanced technologies, that may one day fulfill your desires, BCIs for example.

>>40151052
>the 1000s of men who are autogynephilic without dysphoria?
like who? where are they? how do you know they don't have gender dysphoria?

>>40151052
> that literally sounds like you have just substituted your transvestitic AGP with behavioral AGP (having rough sex)
wait, how is having rough sex AGP

>>40151092
NTA, but I'm one of them. My ideal life would let me switch between male and female at will.

>>40151106
great! what specifically do you experience as part of your "AGP" and how is it distinct from dysphoria?

agp sucks because the harder you fight against it, the harder the fall is. i was such an agp coomer that i lied to my family about being trans and got on blockers before i even finished puberty. i remember feeling like a complete failure when it came to my urges, i even got a boner when i took my first hrt pills. same with girlmoding the first time, i even doubled up on underwear so it wouldnt show. reflecting back on it, i was pretty deep in denial for a long time about what i actually wanted out of my life. even after 5 years on hormones i still sometimes get agp arousal, but it tends to go away after a while. usually what i feel now when i see myself in the mirror is either joy that i look like a girl or pain that i dont look enough like a girl. like yeah, ill never be a real woman on the inside or the outside and that hurts, but at least i get to experience some of it. and the times when i feel completely there are so fucking amazing its like the greatest high ever, without any real lows afterwards, literal just pure joy no arousal no nothing. idk what to tell u but honestly i think that treating it like a curse does you more harm than good regardless of what you want your future to look like. accepting all of urself is hard but in the end its worth. i believe in u nona

>>40151028
well, trooning out sort of does “solve the problem”, like, it satisfies your erotic target locator. so long as you can become someone you find attractive. i also have fully analloerotic AGP, i am not attracted to other people at all. i am able to enjoy sex with others but only if i am being penetrated and it’s not in the context of “omg you’re so hot” it’s “omg im so hot someone wants to fuck me”. it can feel really lonely only being capable of shallow relationships, but you can still have them, it’s just tough to make them last.

>>40151117
A desire to be female, specifically having a female body, the thought brings on both pleasant emotions, and in certain contexts, sexual arousal. I don't experience negative emotions with being male.
I did experience non-gender based body dysphoria during puberty, so I can somewhat sympathize with those who do experience gender dysphoria, and acknowledge that I do not feel it.
My AGP is a strictly positive experience.

>>40151075
I don’t really care to fulfill it. I don’t feel some deep shame about it or anything, but it is just not that interesting to me outside of sating a base urge. I also doubt technology will improve in a way to do much before I am too old to even care.

>>40151150
all this schizo rambling and bending over backwards to justify that it's just the same underlying phenomenon as dysphoria...

>>40151153
but you don't have to hate being male to have gender dysphoria, you're literally describing the diagnostic criteria for it lol

>>40151150
Yeah, I feels like the problem I would have, so it isn’t even very appealing to me. That sounds just as lonely.

>>40151160
Can you define those criteria, because from my knowledge, gender dysphoria is a distressful experience, I do not experience such distress.

>>40151182
>because from my knowledge, gender dysphoria is a distressful experience
I had the exact same misunderstanding and let it keep me repressed for years for no good reason, until it did become distressing

here:
https://www.google.com/search?q=gender+dysphoria+diagnostic+criteria
https://www.psychiatry.org/psychiatrists/diversity/education/transgender-and-gender-nonconforming-patients/gender-dysphoria-diagnosis
per DSM-5:
>A marked incongruence between one’s experienced/expressed gender and assigned gender, of at least six months’ duration, as manifested by at least two or more of the following:
>
>A marked incongruence between one’s experienced/expressed gender and primary and/or secondary sex characteristics (or in young adolescents, the anticipated secondary sex characteristics)
>A strong desire to be rid of one’s primary and/or secondary sex characteristics because of a marked incongruence with one’s experienced/expressed gender (or in young adolescents, a desire to prevent the development of the anticipated secondary sex characteristics)
>A strong desire for the primary and/or secondary sex characteristics of the other gender
>A strong desire to be of the other gender (or some alternative gender different from one’s assigned gender)
>A strong desire to be treated as the other gender (or some alternative gender different from one’s assigned gender)
>A strong conviction that one has the typical feelings and reactions of the other gender (or some alternative gender different from one’s assigned gender)

>>40151092
i’ve spoken to people on this site who are AGP and do not experience dysphoria. they have no desire to transition and enjoy being men, but still experience arousal from AGP stimuli.
>>40151094
are you having sex with males? if so, that is how.
>>40151160
i’m guessing, based on the tone of the comments you’re making, that you’re one of the people who denies the existence of AGP at all and think it is debunked pseudoscience

>>40151210
While I do fit two of those criteria, I don't believe the term itself accurately describes my experience for a few reasons:
I don't dislike being a male, in fact, I like it sometimes.
I don't believe gender exists as a meaningful concept separate from sex, although I do think that sex is best understood as a spectrum.
I don't believe in mental illness, or have any trust for mainstream psychiatry. Mental illness is a label used to pathologize individual traits that others find uncomfortable, not to describe actual disease.

So, while I will concede that I have GD under these criteria, I don't think these are good criteria. I think Blanchard's typology does a better job of describing what I am (that is, someone with an uncommon sexuality), than the mainstream psychiatric view.

>>40151296
>you’re one of the people who denies the existence of AGP at all and think it is debunked pseudoscience
nope, the "dichotomy" and associated projection of motivations for transition are debunked pseudoscience, but taken very literally autogynephilia is just a facet of sexuality

>>40151298
>I don't think these are good criteria. I think Blanchard's typology does a better job of describing what I am
so you're just gonna operate on faith, then

alright, see you at 50 john!

>>40151298
I'm >>40151118 and felt the same way before i trooned. What it comes down to in reality is what you want to look like and how you want to dress, none of this other gender shit matters.

look I know this is giga cringe, but please consider reading it and seeking more information and experiences from outside of your echo chambers while challenging their assumptions along with your own
https://genderdysphoria.fyi/en/impostor-syndrome

>>40151174
my dream relationship would be t4t and just two trannies with the same analloerotic problem who don’t feel the need to have sex with each other but do the occasional 3 some with a male partner to fulfill that urge.
>>40151326
i just don’t understand how one could, in good faith, argue that something is untrue when there are countless anecdotes, personal accounts, and research papers proving it. along with many people, like myself, who experience AGP as it’s spelled out by blanchard himself who, even post transition, acknowledge the pathology that led them to transition

>>40151396
>there are countless anecdotes, personal accounts, and research papers proving it.
proving what, that blanchard's typology isn't a fraudulent assertion he justified by working backward from conclusions and manipulating data? lmao where? again, I didn't say "AGP" isn't real

>>40151400
have you read Men Trapped in Men’s Bodies or The Man Who Would be Queen? the former title is written by a transsexual who experiences AGP, it’s sort of hard to consider that biased or manipulated

i am curious tho, what it is that you’re decrying if not AGP as a concept? that AGP is related to transsexuals?

>>40151326
>so you're just gonna operate on faith, then
No, I'm going to operate on evidence, and the one theory that actually directly tackles my feelings that have manifested, almost word for word, in the literature surrounding the Blanchard typology.
>alright, see you at 50 john!
This is why so many people regard the transgender community as cultish nowadays, because you refuse to accept that individuality means that not all of peoples experiences neatly fit into the one box in your worldview, and that there is no one size fits all solution for people who experience desire to be the other sex. Nowhere do you actually take seriously the consequences of transitioning, the mediocrity of the current technology, etc.

>>40151425
I already explained that I'm decrying the AGP/HSTS "typology" of motivations for transitioning, please read

>>40151431
>the one theory that actually directly tackles my feelings that have manifested, almost word for word, in the literature surrounding the Blanchard typology.
how? you already admitted you diagnostically have gender dysphoria and are ignoring that and the evidence for it to instead appeal to a singular authority with no evidence for why you don't have dysphoria

>>40151400
NTA, but earlier you were saying that AGP is just dysphoria. That sounds closer to Blanchard's typology than just that it exists.
I think AGP is distinct from dysphoria, but there are trans women with AGP and without it, and cis men with it and without it, but that trans women will develop AGP more often because they genuinely want to be women.
>>40151431
I mean we're all here discussing, right? I feel like this is the least "cultish" place to talk about being trans and acknowledge that the one-size model of taking HRT and successfully transitioning doesn't work for everyone, if their dysphoria is mild or manageable or they would never pass even after years on HRT and surgeries. There are manmoders and reppers here, for instance.

>>40151450
i don’t think you’ve read either of those books. you read.

>>40151459
you can experience both in related ways and they interact but are separate things
>That sounds closer to Blanchard's typology than just that it exists.
why or how?

this is the part you all get wrong lol I watched it for years in agpgen and repgen, you're just accepting what's told to you by an authority figure making a claim that isn't supported by the evidence... it's funny that people like this >>40151431 lash out at the "transgender community" and accuse it of being a cult when they are literally operating on faith

>>40151478
no answer, no evidence, got it thanks!

>>40151450
Why would I trust the diagnostic? Psychiatry is a politically motivated industry, there is substantial political motive to bury AGP.
I just barely meet the diagnostic, but I meet all the requirements for AGP.

>>40151499
because it's rooted in decades of studies and real world evidence showing that transition is a safe and effective approach to treatment and dealing with dysphoria - while your only evidence against it is unfounded rhetoric and inherently self-contradiction in selectively mistrusting authority depending on how well it agrees with your preconceptions

can't you do better than that?

>>40151492
>why or how?
Well, Blanchard's typology basically says that dysphoria either comes from being HSTS or being AGP. That is, AGP is the source of dysphoria for non-androphilic trans women.
I don't really think that. It even says on the Wikipedia page for it that not all trans women attracted to women are AGP.

>>40151529
>Blanchard's typology basically says that dysphoria either comes from being HSTS or being AGP
but that's exactly what I'm saying is unsupported by evidence, it's a set of assumptions he worked backwards from...

>>40151537
I'm saying that the conflation of AGP with dysphoria is what's Blanchardian. Now that you say they are separate things, I guess we're in agreement.

>>40151544
well sure and sorry but I wasn't saying that "AGP is literally gender dsyphoria," I think it's pretty clear from the actual evidence and experiences even just on 4chan that they are related and interactive but separate descriptions for experiences around sexual identity and sexuality - but when someone on /tttt/ asks when it goes away they're not referring to AGP, they're referring to their dysphoria that they've tried to sweep under the
>it's just a fetish
rug

>>40151575
Yeah lol, my bad for being pedantic. It seems like AGP actually goes away during transition for a lot of trans women, and that dysphoria is dealt with using AGP, hence the John 50 example I guess. So their AGP probably won't go away unless they are treated somehow, only managed.

AGP is fun because it gives you a life goal similar to getting a husband/wife
I'm more meta attracted than most but I wouldn't say I'm androphilic

>>40151625
>my bad for being pedantic
NEVER apologize for pedantry

>>40151522
You're appealing to authority here, but I'll humor you.
I don't need empirical evidence to prove to myself that AGP is real, I live it every day, and the literature, for example, Men Trapped in Men's Bodies, describes my sexuality in an almost uncanny way.
However, I will give you some evidence to suggest Blanchard's Typology is correct:
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3180619/

You say that transition is safe and effective, but I have reason to doubt that, the fact is, you are hijacking your endocrine system to emulate the opposite sex. It is simple common sense that this is a radical, and potentially harmful course of treatment. This is to say nothing of the numerous, expensive and invasive surgeries that many transgender people undergo.
I'm not saying that transition should be rejected outright, I'm saying that people, fundamentally, are individuals, and whether or not it is worth it is a subjective value judgement, like any other medical procedure.

In the case of someone like me, who does not experience any distress at being male (which is the standard by which any sane, unbiased person would define "gender dysphoria"), it is not worth it.

>>40151649
>You're appealing to authority here
what? where? lol stop that, don't just mirror what you seem someone else saying without understanding what it means

>blah blah blah common sense more direct appeals to authority
yeah ok tranny

>>40151625
that’s the conflation again, it’s not AGP that’s going away by transitioning, it’s dysphoria. AGP is their sexual orientation, which is an immutable characteristic.
>>40151649
they haven’t read MTIMB and seemingly have no interest in doing so. it would cause them too much cognitive dissonance

>>40151692
nah as a repressor I really obsessed over whether I was any kind of trans or what it even was so I skimmed the pdfs I had for all this pro blanch vs anti blanch "literature" in the years leading up to me deciding it was all retarded gay bullshit and that I'd just manmode on HRT, and I'm so done with this self-hate and repper logic

>>40151756
Yeah honestly, same, I realized having yet another opinion in my ear wasn't going to help anything.

>>40151756
im not pushing repper or self hate rhetoric. i am very pro transitioning even for AGPs, it was the best thing i ever did for myself. i think AGP has value because it can help someone understand themselves in a way that validates their sexuality and dysphoria.

>>40151801
I just wish there was more of a balanced discussion around facing and dealing with the whole thing in realistic and individual ways informed by the evidence instead of the same rhetoric and rhetorical structures that are cited in trans people losing their rights and being denied fair treatment or access to care

>>40151816
>i think AGP has value because it can help someone understand themselves in a way that validates their sexuality and dysphoria.
well outside of the way blanchard describes it as the source of dysphoria and motivation for transition contrasted with hsts, both deeply transphobic and misogynistic framings rooted in assumptions with no evidence and stemming from casual observations of stereotypes emerging from the variations on our bimodal sex trait distribution interplaying with the cultural social roles that result, I completely agree

>>40151854
I transitioned to satisfy my AGP

>>40151649
you said earlier that for you AGP is a strictly positive experience, as in, you prefer being feminine/embodying feminine physical and social characteristics. But how can something be positive and have no negative aspect? Positivity and negativity are two sides of the same coin. If I were to remove all of your femininity and turn you into a 6'3" bulging muscles balding roid-raging hairy gigachad, that would be a privation of any positive utility you get from your femininity, and therefore a negative experience by definition. Anything that you value or that is positive for you, means that the privation or opposite of that thing would be a negative for you, by definition.

>>40151871
me too, but this thread ain’t ready for that conversation

>>40151871
hot take: there is absolutely nothing wrong with that, but if you examined those experiences and desires you'd see there's a huge overlap in what is referred to as "AGP" and just plain old gender (or, sometimes more accurately, sex) dysphoria

>>40151908
nope, I liked getting facial hair until I decided to transition

>>40151028
i don't want a romantic partner i just want to enjoy my own body

>>40151871
>>40151891
every day i hope i could achieve this
every day i keep repping

>>40147658

>>40151961
that's nice but I don't see how that means nope

>>40151998
take your HRT, retard

AGP is based if you want to date men and you're submissive, but if you want to stick your dick in vaginas it's doubtful that you're really AGP, an AGP would never do this

>>40151998
repping will not work. you need to take your pills alice.
>>40152065
yes 100%. straightGPs are the most based type of tranny (i am a little biased). im vagina repulsed and my meta attraction is high.

>>40151908
That's because gender dysphoria is amother way to say sex dysphoria which is another way to say severe fetishistic perversion

>>40152136
>gender dysphoria is amother way to say sex dysphoria
true
>severe fetishistic perversion
nah, wrong gay and deboonked

>>40151296
>are you having sex with males? if so, that is how.
please explain how having rough sex with men is AGP. 60-80% of cis-women are into rough sex, are all cis-women AGP then

>>40152145
>are all cis-women AGP then
NO DON'T LET THEM HEAR YOU SAY THAT THEY DON'T WANT YOU TO KNOW

>>40152144
dysphoria is a magic word that basically means unhappiness with the state of things so sex dysphoria is unhappiness with normative sexual practices

>>40152162
did you know that the word sex is not just a verb?

>>40152136
>gender dysphoria is another way to say sex dysphoria
very true
>severe fetishistic perversion
i was dysphoric as a child so that seems pretty unlikely

>>40152145
because your motivation for having sex with men is that they validate your femininity. that does not happen for cis women because they are, they do not wish to be. don’t worry, i’m the same way, and it’s okay. i’m effectively “straight” despite knowing that im not really

>>40152016
>>40152109
i want to take it and am just trying to get myself to do it

>>40152167
My attention is on the word dysphoria which is used sweep uncomfortable perversions under the rug by people who'd like to pretend they aren't just fetishists who want to go full time. What's your point?
>>40152170
I'm not playing this game with you

>>40152224
>i'm not playing this game with you
translation: i reject anything that doesn't align with what i already believe
you can talk about perversions without denying that dysphoria is a real phenomenon outside of sexuality

>>40152224
prove it's just a fetish, loser

>>40152217
> because your motivation for having sex with men is that they validate your femininity. that does not happen for cis women because they are, they do not wish to be. don’t worry, i’m the same way, and it’s okay. i’m effectively “straight” despite knowing that im not really
my motivation for having sex with men is because men are hot and i'm horny.
i love everything about their bodies, their moans, their smell, the way their hands feel on my body. i love staring into my bf's eyes while he's on top of me and i caress his back, squeeze his butt, and press him harder into me. i like how he loses control when he's about to cum and just has to fuck me even harder
i also love to watch hot guys jerk off, idk how that validates my femininity.

>>40152217
>your motivation for having sex with men is that they validate your femininity
prove that

>>40151880
I inhabit my body which is male, and don't experience any distress or dysphoria, so, while there are certain configurations I would not want to inhabit (your example), there are some I am fine with inhabiting.

Don't get me wrong though, if the technology were perfected, I would like to spend some, not all, of my time in a female body.

>>40152217
I kind of do think many cis women have sex with men they're not attracted to validate their femininity. They want male validation.

>>40151370
You're right, that was giga-cringe.

Op here, how likely is it that this is fully porn induced and I could get rid of it if I actually quit? For the last 3 years I've been seriously considering E because of it but while fencesitting feels nice I'm noticing early signs of twink death and think it's time to actually make a decision now

>>40152961
0% chance
take the E

>>40152961
Its not porn induced, and you can't get rid of it, because it is a sexuality. Sexuality in men is immutable.

>>40152251
>prove it's just a fetish, loser
nta but i just want to be a woman so i can masturbate with my female body

>>40153097
>it is a sexuality
it's not a sexual orientation like you can be straight or gay or bi and still agp, it's just a facet of sexuality

>>40152961
Do you smoke pot? It might be the pot

>>40152961
I feel like I never really managed to get rid of it, and I had been trying to get rid of it since I was a teenager. Even if you stop having sexual fantasies of yourself as a woman, it's not not going to make you (or at least it didn't make me) actually like the idea of having sex with anyone as a man.

>>40153123
it certainly is a sexual orientation. it’s autoheterosexuality

>>40152961
oh it’s not going anywhere. you’re just delaying the inevitable and will regret it as soon as you finally give in

>>40153154
I don't. Never have

If I had been able to crossdress while growing up and going to school and not repress myself in a fundamentalist bible belt cubicle of a house with zero privacy I wouldn't be the deranged actual danger to society hon I am today. I don't care that much about having a female body.

>>40153434
>it certainly is a sexual orientation. it’s autoheterosexuality
prove that (lol you can't because the only person saying this and fabricating evidence for it is a dirty old fraud)

>>40153452
Yeah but like I previously said, a couple things have me worried:
1. Parents
2. Work
3. If I'll look good (I'm twinkish but 21 already and 6'1)
4. When I was on the verge of giving in before I also thought of religion (if there's a God, indulging in this shit is probably a bad idea).

>>40153476
you know telling people to “prove it” to every claim that goes against your presupposed set of beliefs isn’t really the own that you think it is. you can’t prove that it’s not either, you know.

>>40153545
>I have no proof so it's time to abstract out to the next hierarchical level of cope
lmao I don't think it's the own that you I think I think it is, dumbass, and all I "have" is the absence of proof for the baseless claim

>>40153500
parents and work are things you need to worry about after you worry about yourself. yes, they are important, but realistically you can HRT manmode for at least a year before you have to tell them. if you’re 21, you need to start soon. you can stop the next wave of masculinization that starts in your mid 20s. you’ll be tall for a woman but sounds like you’d be starting from an okay place so that’s not as detrimental as you may think. don’t worry about religion, there is no god, just an unlikely circumstance of life on a rock in space. we’re all there is.

>>40153562
well, it’s really convenient that you don’t consider the firsthand lived experiences of people as proof, when it categorically is.

>>40147658
Once I realized this it became easier to repress.

>>40153621
whose firsthand lived experience proves that being agp is a sexual orientation exclusive to hetero/homo/bisexuality and is actually just autoheterosexuality, and how does it do that?

>>40153635
TAKE YOUR FUCKING HRT, RETARD

i spent the last six months trying to find "accurate" labels to put on myself to describe my experience, but it just keeps not working.
- i'm a bit autistic.
- i am androphilic, but was in heavy denial (clear evidence - i remember jerking off to the boys i saw in the locker room before trooning)
- i was also gynephilic, but didn't derive any emotional or romantical pleasure from it.
- i was always a bit autosexual, pretrans & posttrans, autoandro & autogynero
- i was traumatized by religious peeps and bullied for being a feminine boy
- nonetheless i repressed body dysphoria by hiding my body from myself and social dysphoria by developing insane confidence and apathy towards others opinions
- never had a partner, sex four times with women and hated it
- total failure in life before trooning, slept 14+ hours a day, no personal hygiene, drug addict, messy room... still a few irl friends and surprisingly there were women that wanted to date me but I never engaged them (so not an incel, I identified as asexual / volcel mostly after puberty)

I also see that I was clearly dysphoric, but never realized there was a way to alleviate this feeling. I tried sooooo hard to be a man though and shoved all feelings aside and into addictions, but at the end it didn't help.

Trooning has helped me gain peace in life and being able to live day to day. If I can be a twinkhon with a bishit chasoid bf, I'll still do 5000x better than I ever did pretroon.
I'm still a bit autosexual and bi, but maybe women I care about have traumatized me enough with their rejection and vengeance that I could never trust them romantically or sexually.
My ideal self is a woman, but alas I'm just a tranny.

Sorry for rambling... I think it's good to trust your gut and go with things on a whim sometimes instead of rationalizing everything. I don't regret rushing my transition at all and listening to all the pinkpillers on r/mtf.

>>40153636
well, first of all, bisexuality does not exist in males exclusive of AGP. AGP is the only reason any male is “bisexual” and it stems from meta attraction not homosexual attraction. a homosexual would not be attracted to himself as a woman, because he is not attracted to women. that leaves us with only heterosexuals. there you go, logical deduction.

>>40147398
this is 100% true and it's why i transitioned. en are rapists and i dont want to be a rapist so i stopped being a man.
now that that avenue is being closed but men aren't considered any better than before i really can't imagine what's left other than the worst possible outcome: acceptance and embrace of being a rapist as something beyond your own control

>>40153644
Pay me $10,000 and I will

>>40153699
I get crushes on men. I see certain men, I want them to fuck me

>>40153699
>logical deduction
lmao some part of you actually believes that, doesn't it? whatever, you're hopeless and you're spreading anti-trans rhetoric for no one's benefit

>>40153762
this >>40153699 is a radical blanchardist. nothing wrong with that, just have to realize you're arguing with an extremist here.
life isn't black or white, 1 or 0. there's always some nuance that we're gonna miss and the systems we build to logically explain the world are provably incomplete and incoherent.
> t. gödelfag

>>40153690
>says all this
>flies the HSTS flag.
what did she mean by this?
>>40153757
yeah, me too. it’s called meta attraction, it is stronger than any real attraction i’ve ever experienced. i’ve embraced it though and identify as straight
>>40153762
AGP is pro trans! i’m not anti trans i think anyone with dysphoria should transition.

>>40153815
>AGP is pro trans! i’m not anti trans i think anyone with dysphoria should transition.
no, the debunked framework you're still pushing ITT is explicitly transphobic and more broadly misogynistic garbage, and even acknowledging the reality of literal autogynephilia being a thing someone can experience it the label has earned its disdain

>>40153815
> what did she mean by this?
oh the flag? I just like how it looks :3

>>40153572
Not convinced by the no God thing. I posted myself on this board before and people said I'd look okay. I'm mostly worried about shoulders. I just wish I didn't have this feeling of "this is absurd" every time I take e.

picrel seems more thought out to me than blanchardism imo

>>40153873
i think what you're looking for is concrete evidence of you being trans. like 'if I had wanted or done this x years ago, I'd be trutrans enough to not have to worry about transitioning'.
Many of us want that, but few get it and you shouldn't use that as a weapon to torture yourself with.
There is nothing absurd about taking estrogen. You're allowed to do it because it makes you feel comfortable in your own skin. A thing most people have by default.

>>40153888
i am the one you called a radical blanchardist and i also really like this taxonomy though. this is more comprehensive and differentiates between the dysphorics and non dysphorics.

>>40153933
No but it's like I genuinely feel normal when that libido drop hits. I'm fine with my masc body and think it's absurd I want to be more feminine

>>40153888
>tfw type 4 repper
i just want to be a cis man on hrt

>>40148121
She literally talks about this in "men trapped in mens bodies", it's because people don't like to think of prepubescent children of having sexual preferences

>>40154001
stfu if you're type 4 you need to troon NOW you stupid autistic retardfag.
>>40153980
> I'm fine with my masc body
> I want to be more feminine
well you'll have to pick one sooner or later I'm afraid
>>40153970
ikr. I super tired of all the labeling tho. I'm glad this stupid pride month ends soon. I always hated pride for the hiding behind labels.
We should look at people as individuals, not as part of some statistical cohort with certain characteristics - and also not put ourselves into arbitrary statistical cohorts.
Talking to people as much as possible and trying to understand where they're coming from and what they're dealing with is so infinitely more helpful and enjoyable than all the labelfagging. I hope I'm not the only one thinking along these lines

>>40153873
>>40153980
well, why wouldn’t you want to feel normal? if estrogen helps to maintain that normalcy it is worth it. and if you’ve posted on here and people said ygmi, don’t throw that away. yes life is harder, not even going to try and sugarcoat it. you relinquish a ton of privilege, you will learn to fear men and not walk alone at night, you become a lifelong medical patient. so it’s not all roses. but your dysphoria will continue to wax and wane and intensify, so i’d do something about it. what makes you think that there is a god or that a creator is even plausible? if there was one true religion, we wouldn’t have diverged so much culturally, because there would be evidence of the true god. idk, im very anti religion, dont really understand the concept of faith

>>40154034
you know, i’ve read that but don’t have perfect recall. that makes sense. i have seen several people say that it began at puberty for them though, so it seems like it manifests differently for different people. maybe a difference of inherit AGP vs acquired AGP.
>>40154044
i agree that we are individuals before we are labels. that’s true. labels just reinforce the intrinsic tribalism that humans exhibit by assigning them to groups, and others who have that same label are included in the group. they’re a social tool, at least, that is their greatest value.

>>40147398
No i don't think this is true for me, I was agp before I internalized any notion of toxic maleness

>>40154151
that sounds very smart to me, but I also notice I'm not cut out for discourse on this subject.
I'm gonna look for a boyfriend to take cute pictures when we're on vacation in Italy and hopefully forget most things about my abhorrently traumatizing past while you keep arguing about what I am or not :3
I just want to wake up next to someone I feel safe with and can cuddle with while the sunshine warms our skins through soft, silky curtains and a warm summer breeze mixes with the sounds of the sea rushing ashore in the distance...

>>40147658
Idk this always felt like a cope to me.

>>40151150
>So long as you can become someone you find attractive
A big if which is not available to me. I feel like I will never really be happy

>>40154044
>stfu if you're type 4 you need to troon NOW you stupid autistic retardfag.
i'm type 0 except i want to be on hormones

>>40151370
>Linking genderdysphoria.fyi
>telling US to go outside the echo chamber
No self awareness

>>40154447
did that make sense in your head before you typed it out?

>>40154475
How long you been on hormones and do you pass

>>40154547
five years and never lol
still 100% worth and wish I had started HRT way earlier in life instead of letting trash narratives like bl*nchism (and the ways it gets twisted into something even worse than it already is) keep my head in the sand

>>40147027 (OP)
>Can you get rid of agp?
>I'm 21 and I've been conscious of it since 14-15
I've was in your situation at 21, trying to deny or supress my AGP, practicing heterosexuality in attempts to fix it. I eventually trooned at 23 and now pass and wear dresses at my office day job

>>40154771
Oh so you're an old hon trying to get other people to become hons what a surprise

>>40156622
nope, I'm a dude, and I'm trying to get people to stop making the same mistake I did and repressing (which observably produces more boomerhons)

>>40156622
John 50 (the phenomenon itself) is much more likely to create boomerhons.
pinkpillers create manmoders which are a far superior outcome for everyone involved.

>>40147027 (OP)
Yes you can, by taking your T blocker and E, they'll nuke your libido not even a month in and then you'll barely look at porn, it won't fix everything, but usually the "AGP" feelings go away pretty quick.

>>40152065
I want to be a wife who works hard, makes money and also cooks and cleans.

>>40147027 (OP)
It doesn't go away. Just let it be a fantasy. Indulge it occasionally if you have to. If crossdressing feeds the feelings enough to make you want to actually transition, stop crossdressing.

Find other things to focus on in life. Maybe become religious. That's been helpful for me.

>>40147398
I blame porn for causing me to be turned on by fucked up things, and eventually becoming disturbed by my male sexuality. It's a lot safer to be the submissive. I wish I'd just come to terms with my male sexuality though desu instead of transitioning

>>40147658
gender euphoria = sublimated AGP. it is both romantic and sexual. for me it was far more romantic than sexual. I don't recall even once getting a "euphoria boner", I only had sexual AGP in actual sexual situations.

I just felt confident and euphoric when I began crossdressing/transitioning because I was seeing myself through the lens of my own romantic desires, and therefore felt valuable and lovable. it soothed the self-hatred and depression.

of course, I did not recognize this was AGP at the time. I lowkey blame Contrapoints for convincing a generation of AGPs that AGP isn't real, just so she could delude herself into thinking she's not AGP

Since detrooning the AGP has been way more manageable. Acknowledging that it really is a fantasy was helpful. With that said, I feel normal heterosexual desire as well as AGP, so it's easier to ignore the AGP side of my sexuality

>>40156807
>the "AGP" feelings go away pretty quick
this did actually happen to me and I didn't know what to do with all my free time except keep scrolling

>>40147027 (OP)
Transitioning fixes this because then it becomes boring

>>40156903
what actually got you to start HRT, and then to stop it?

>>40147027 (OP)
not if it's severe, if you could have good results transitioning then I would highly recommend doing that ASAP because it's basically the only way you'll get to live a fulfilling life.
if you couldn't have good results transitioning then you rep and try to mitigate your suffering as much as possible through escapism and/or artistic expression and/or suicide.
I'm one year older than you though and congrats it's gonna get a little easier because you just got access to the best treatment for GD that doesn't involve hrt. I recommend port wine it's high abv, easy to drink, and cheap, plus you don't have to get it at a liquor store if your state has AIDS alcohol laws. watch kino anime like Slayers while you drink for best results.
>>40152961
you might as well try but I've never liked watching porn and I got cursed anyway
I found some genderbender and trap doujins that I found hot after I already had agp but it didn't create any new feelings. it's just escapism pretty much and I regularly go for long periods of time not cooming at all without any real change to my agp
>>40156903
lmao yaldabaoth jew worship doesn't work as a cope for very long unless you have nigger-tier IQ
you need testosterone to stick your cock in foid pussies jej
my agp makes me want to make love with a man as foidme and be happy together for the rest of our lives but since I'm a giant hulking man instead I will die a volcel because having sex as this is the most repulsive thing I can imagine, like sticking my face it liquid poo but even more disgusting
>>40153644
you deserve to die irl for harassing innocent reppers trying to rep in peace but you won't go away ever
hang yourself
>>40147398
this is such bullshit because I fucking resent women and wouldn't feel guilty
I've just never wanted to smell some nasty skank's snatch in my entire life

>>40157421
tl;dr ok tranny, now take your HRT, retard

bare with me cus i’m new here but i felt like this was the best place to ask.
can yall pretty please explain some of this slang to me. ik what agp is i think, same for boymoding but the rest is a foreign language to me loll

>>40156640
Well I tried transitioning and it didn't work

>>40157427
take your hrt, ret-ACKKKKKKK
>>40157450
nurepcaca...

>>40157471
that doesn't answer either of my questions so I'm just going to assume that you literally cucked yourself out of living as and for yourself by christ, hence your allusion the repulsive death cult of christcuckery

>>40156903
Religion is fake and agp is real

>>40157479
What the fuck are you talking about, you know there is more than 1 person in the thread

>>40157472
huh.

>>40157530
that is actually on me, I didn't read and just saw the reply that came up wherever my mouse was hovering

what "didn't work"

>>40157421
meta-attraction ahh moment

>>40157190
/r/mtf and the gender dysphoria bible memed me into thinking I had gender dysphoria from a young age. the reasons why I wanted to be a woman are really complicated, but basically boil down to feeling very alienated from men and masculinity and being dissatisfied with the male gender role. I was also disturbed by my male sexuality and afraid I would hurt people in relationships. I have some degree of AGP, so it was safer for me to redirect that attraction onto myself and take on the more submissive/feminine role sexually, since this felt safer. I honestly can't fully explain the depth of the feelings I had when I "realized" I was trans.

The only thing I can compare it to was the psychotic break I had, where I ended up believing all of these delusions and such. When those delusions broke / my meds kicked in, my trans identity ended up being just another one of the delusions that I realized were delusions. Not sure if it's a delusion for everyone, but it was for me and may be a symptom of psychosis. Idk.

I actually started detransitioning because I realized I didn't like the effects of E. Idk. My trans identity just died. I lost faith that transitioning actually made me a woman. The self doubt won, but I'm happier now so it's chill

>>40157490
hedonism

>>40157581
>The only thing I can compare it to was the psychotic break I had
when was this, before or after you detrooned?

>>40147027 (OP)
I'm here from /pol/ because I was jebaited by the thumbnail. Remove this board from the popular threads frame

>>40157624
I "realized" I was trans at 17, HRT at 18, FFS 20, detrooned at 23 after psychotic break.

In the months after coming out of all these delusions, I basically concluded my trans identity was one too.

>>40157669
>detrooned at 23 after psychotic break
uh huh, this is all lining up! psychotic break and found god lmao

let me guess, your meds are literal antipsychotics?

>>40157581
meta-attraction is my only outward attraction except to like twinky men maybe but that's rare and could also be meta
nothing feels real anyway so idc if it's meta honestly
not like it matters really, it's all hypothetical
also there's no real identity being "validated" because I don't really have a real identity, my male identity is an empty mask and my female identity is a nice dream. neither really exist.
when I was in hs a girl asked me out on a date and I made myself give it a try but I remember holding her hand and feeling nothing, so basically I tarnished my khhv purity and demoted to kv for no reason and it didn't awaken any attraction for foids other than the idea of myself as one
the people who whine about how not finding "meaning" in ancient kike laws is le hedonism were reddit atheists 5 years ago before it became trendy to switch back to larping as religious again. higher power is real but it's not a faggot who really cares if you're a faggot or not.
it's an extremely dumbed down understanding of things that retarded masses can't really comprehend spun by old desert kings in a way that could minmax their normiecattle's productivity

>>40147027 (OP)
I couldn’t, but being AGP is actually pretty great if you can pull it off. It’s like being able to find true love within yourself.
>>40157581
beware the ideology slave to ideology slave pipeline

>>40157694
yes, my meds are antipsychotics : )

I didn't detransition (entirely) for God though. It's just a different perspective on the world when you think God picked your sex vs. you just happened to be born male.

Also, I do struggle with my faith. I did not grow up religious. I'm taking things slow and not being impulsive about it

>>40157793
:( I will send good thoughts your way

>>40157959
Nah I'm not gonna become a religious ideologue. I don't believe in imposing my beliefs on others

>>40158085
see you at 50, psycho john!

>>40158085
you should be sending happyface bad thoughts my way cause I almost entirely brought this upon myself, it's only a consequence of my own choices
sorry for being a hater I think it's cause I did grow up Catholic and can tell you didn't, you seem like someone in an ocean of emptiness who found a piece of spiritual driftwood and started clinging to it for dear life
when it gets waterlogged and sinks down into the depths maybe you'll start to get it

>>40152344
fag

>>40157639
that's not good anon

>>40157959
> but being AGP is actually pretty great if you can pull it off. It’s like being able to find true love within yourself.
basically this. i said it up thread that as long as you can become someone you find attractive, transition is very fulfilling for AGPs. your stress goes away once the erotic target is “located”. not to mention if you pass you will get treated as a woman by society and that’s also pretty great. took 150k in surgeries to get here but shit is so fucking cash now

>>40156903
>Maybe become religious.
there's many things i want to be in life, but religious is not one

>>40157669
nightmare scenario ngl

>>40157548
I look like a fugly man

>>40153572
I've been on hrt for 2 years and nobody has said anything, never malefailed

I miss agpgen

>>40157639
>I'm here from /pol/ because I was jebaited by the thumbnail.
You're AGP anon.

>this will never be my pov
iwnbaw

>>40161174
you will never be polygonal

>>40148487
Why are you still transitioning then?

>>40161187
bc my goal wasn't get rid of AGP. I would kms by now without HRT. I had significant mental shift, most of my depression is gone. 90% of the time I feel great/good. I have a bf and thinking of marrying him. Compare to my pre troon life I live in heaven now.