Why is srs so controversial? Any cis woman would want to cut off her dick if she suddenly grew one.

>>40150471 (OP)
its literally just because of botched surgeries and fetishists. if those were gone the most offensive thing about it would be some gigahon (man) getting a pussy but at the same time we have pooners soooo

>>40150471 (OP)
Because its disgusting. Its an artificial, surgically created flesh pocket that is often filled with pus and hair.

>>40150499
faggot you just want a cock cause you’re gay

>>40150471 (OP)
because people sensationalize anything negative about trannies, the same reason we keep hearing about the same 10 botched trannies is the same reason we keep hearing about the same 10 cis men in a bra and a wig claiming to be trans while creeping on people

>>40150499
>artificial
It’s organic actually
>surgically created
Lots of things are surgically created
>flesh pocket
So, a vagina
>pus and hair
They make you do electrolysis and there’s no pus either

>>40150471 (OP)
>Why is srs so controversial?
A lot of people stand by the opinion that you can't turn a dick into a vagina
>Any cis woman would want to cut off her dick if she suddenly grew one.
You have had a penis since birth
Again, a lot of people feel that the methods aren't good enough, and would rather a functional genital than all the complications

the way this board romanticizes ex incels and ex chuds is so embarrassing lol

>>40150571
A penis that you don’t use or want isn’t “functional”

>>40150499

>artificial surgery created flesh pocket

So it's a tube of flesh you stick your dick into and cum in? Got it

>full of pus and hair

Actually, there's no puss in a neovagina. And if you get pre surgery electrolysis on all donor tissue and your surgeon does follicle scraping, there won't be hair. Also, if you get a fully peritoneal canal with PPT, no external genital skin will be used for your canal.

There are some potential complications with SRS however which is why it's important to consult with your surgeon about what to expect and how to manage anything that comes up! The vast majority of complications can be resolved with followup care and proper aftercare

>>40150595
If u can pee from it without any health complications it is literally functional

>>40150626
The main function of the penis is for intercourse

>>40150580
lol its because 80% of the mtfs here used to be one or both of those things

>>40150642
Idk about u nigga but i pee a lot more than i top

>>40150663
Skill issue

>>40150662
im an ex ethical incel though i never hated women just nobody wanted me

>>40150571

Estrogenized dick is not functional:

>estrogen causes progressive deterioration of the nitric oxide aignalling mechanism in response to physical arousal, making arousal increasingly unlinked from erection.

>estrogen causes collagen deposits to form and keratinization which causes shrinkage of the penis and reduction of shaft sensitivity

>progressive smooth muscle atrophy causes by lack of testosterone, compression

>venous leakage develops over time, dramatically reducing erection duration over time.

I could go on but a trans woman's penis is not a functional genitalia, no matter what hons may tell you about how functional their princess wand is. A trans woman's penis is fundamentally on a downward trend toward: 0% smooth muscle tissue, minimal responsiveness to arousal, and negligible ability to hold any rigidity for any length of time.

Dp you really want your girl to have a castrated, dying penis that will only get more dead, more limp, less sensitive, and less responsive to arousal? If she gets SRS her glans, the part of the organ that stays sensitive and non keratinized, will be removed as her clitoris, her shaft tissue can be stimulated more effectively by your cock, she won't be hurt by frustrating partial erections that do nothing but make her sore. She'll be a more happy and enthusiastic lover.

>>40150471 (OP)
Because outcomes are suboptimal compared to natural vaginas, it comes with lifelong required intervention, and there are basically always tells.
SRSqueens will yell and cry and cope about all that, but that doesn't stop it from being true.

>>40150760
Still better than having a penis

>>40150760

with a top surgeon they look good though and with PPT there's less dilation required than you'd think... it varies person to person and whether they are in a relationship, but many people dilate like, only a few times a year or month. That's really not a big deal in the grand scheme of things.

>Any cis woman would want to cut off her dick if she suddenly grew one.
Source: dude, trust me

>>40150884
I'm shocked no cis women have posted to disagree with that statement.

>>40150471 (OP)
Because 99.9% of chasers are faggots that want to be dicked down or want a dick down their throat.

>>40150898
i mean that's essentially just as "dude, trust me" considering it's a hypothetical with implications they probably won't consider due to not having to actually live with a dick for years instead of imagining it for a few seconds.

>>40150471 (OP)
>Any cis woman would want to cut off her dick if she suddenly grew one.
Lie

>>40150471 (OP)
>Why is srs so controversial?
big disinformation campaign started by a handful of girlcock fetishists that got out of hand and started infecting normies, especially conservatives who never do any of their own research and parrot the first viable sounding factoid thrown their way
so now us trannies with debilitating genital dysphoria have to suffer cis guys telling us what our dysphoria really is and how we should treat it

lemme tackle some of the most common chud disinformation points here:
>rotting flesh pocket
never was, even the most primitive surgeries made sanitary, functional vaginas for the most part, its only gotten better now through innovations of surgeons like suporn
>hair inside
they use many techniques to ensure that there is no hair in the canal. some may regrow but thats easily fixed. can also do electro beforehand to eliminate hair entirely
>smell
entirely a personal hygiene issue. colon grafts (rare) might have a fecal smell initially because of the transferred bacterial flora but that's quickly dealt with through cleaning
>constantly tries to seal itself shut
>have to dilate forever
the muscles around the canal simply get tighter without use instead of any tissue fusing shut
past a certain point in healing you can replace dilation with PIV sex or masturbation, and the touted "once a week forever" frequency is more or less fake
cis women also suffer from a similar condition called vaginismus, and they're actually the primary patients for vaginal dilators, not srs patients
>you can always tell
people only claim they can tell because they're shown pictures with pre-existing knowledge that this is a neovagina, especially with world-class doctors the aesthetic result is indistinguishable even with a thorough examination by a gynecologist let alone in the heat of passion in a dim room by a regular guy
>lack of sensation, doesnt feel like a vagina
vast majority of patients report retaining genital sensation and orgasmic function

>>40150786
Maybe. Seems to be a game day call by each individual tranny.
>>40150862
Sure, I'm not saying it's a godawful frankenpuss or something. I'm just saying it's factually suboptimal, and SRSussy owners here get rabid sometimes over pointing it out.

>>40150862
ive heard of girlies that stopped dilating entirely bc just regular sex with their partners is enough to keep the stuff loose enough to be comfortable
sure they might lose some ultimate depth or girth but when that depth never gets used in sex whats the point? especially when they can get it back simply by restarting dilation

The reason why trannies are losing is completely contained in how it's weird to turn your dick inside out, but rather than ever admit that, the pro dick inversion faction holds to a form of 21st century neo-sophistry practiced by dishonestly picking apart the ways people express their discomfort word by word, having confused the sort of arguing you do online where you wear people down until they just give up with the kind of arguing you do in politics , where you have to change people's minds or get them to give you rights even if they don't like you. Half the time pro-trans people pwn someone epic style online, they're just exploiting how someone has expressed themselves perfectly. You're impossible to communicate with. You suck. Then you circle up here to whine about how you're losing because some trans people have the gall to be ugly in public.

>>40150965
> owners here get rabid sometimes over pointing it out.
Because they’re not comparing it to a natal vagina they’re comparing it to what they had before which was a penis that doesn’t work and they don’t want. Constantly telling them it’s not as good as a thing they don’t have would def get annoying

>>40151014
>dishonestly picking apart the ways people express their discomfort word by word
Calling a neo vagina a “wound” or “mutilation” is what’s dishonest. GAC isn’t mutilation and a neo vagina isn’t a wound when it’s healed. People only express their disgust like this to bully and harass trans people. There’s nothing legitimate or respectable about it and that language should be deconstructed and dismantled every time it’s used, because it’s only purpose is dehumanize and shame.

>>40151015
I get that but it's useful to a point for expectation setting.

>>40151163
In the strictest technical sense, sure. Transphobic language is useful in letting you know someone is transphobic.

>>40151014
>generalization + oversimplification to seem "le normie"
>still tries to sound educated
umm i think i wont hear you out. Kys yourself or something

nta
>>40151163
>useful to a point
except when all the chuds argue in bad faith and make up facts just to get trannies to not get the surgery
i would love to see someone in the srs critical camp who actually knows even half of what they're talking about. never happened so far

>>40150471 (OP)
Cis women have penis envy and would love to have cocks. Hating your dick is AGP.

>>40150727
If this is truly the outcome for all mtfs on estrogen, then this barbaric treatment plan needs to be ended immediately. This is literally castration and genocide, and trannies are not being informed of the risks. This is destroying so many love lifes

>>40151214
And that won’t happen because their starting point is disgust and aversion. Their thought process begins and ends at “that’s really weird” and any “research” they do exists to confirm their own prejudice.

>>40150471 (OP)
go dilate your axe wound, tranny

>>40151243
> This is literally castration and genocide, and trannies are not being informed of the risks.
GAC is not castration. And it’s not genocide either. Fertility issues are a well known and managed risk with GAC.

>>40150471 (OP)
I love my cock and wish it could stay hard 24 hrs a day

How much does srs cost?

>>40151243
>we should detransition all trannies to save their dicks
chasers like you are fucking insufferable please log off and never talk to trannies again

>>40151287
About as much as a modestly priced somewhat decent but not luxurious new car.

>>40151243
its not its just the first pro srs chaser post i’ve seen
i figured they were real but that post was written with one hand…
pure mef fiction

>>40151295
Gotta that luxury edition pussy with the premium shocks

>>40151243
>trannies are not being informed of the risks
We are though. We're all well-aware of what HRT does. But yeah maybe they should be broadcast even more so that the "I want HRT but don't want to grow boobs and also want to keep muh dick the same" people stop asking how to accomplish that.

>>40150471 (OP)
Because men cannot imagine a world where they would have their dick cut, they would prefer suicide and they project those feelings unto us

>>40151295
50k?

>>40151328
i actually was promised i would lose a lot more genital function than i did :(

>>40151262
truthnuke
i dont owe cis men emotional labor
girlcock chasers arent part of my dating pool anyway i could care less what they think about my gorgeous neopussy

>>40151346
same :/ rlly the only thing that happened to me is no rando erections and them getting kind of painful

>>40150471 (OP)
One big issue is that it doesn't lubricate unless you get the poop chute version (ill-advised.)

>>40151665
That’s not a big issue at all. Just use lube.

>>40151665
gotta give it a hawk and spit on that thang

>>40151665
i got the one where they invert your ballsack and mine gets wet just fine
self lubrication is also kinda overrated, while i get wet enough for penetration, 9 times out of 10 we'll just use lube anyway

>>40150471 (OP)
insane amount of money
botched surgeries literally ruin lives
outdated shitty 'penile inversion'
few surgeons offer anything else

>>40150550
A vagina is not a surgically created pocket, it is a natural organ with an actual biological function.
>>40150611
Isnt PPT the one that stinks like shit?

>>40151717
Using lube with a fully functioning vagina is a psyop, unless you have medical issues you should self-lubricate enough, lube companies just want to move more product, or people are too used to porn shoots to inform their sexuality. Obviously a neo is different.

>>40151799
>Using lube with a fully functioning vagina is a psyop
found the virgin
>unless you have medical issues you should self-lubricate enough
yeah, i do? lube is just that much more convenient for toys or quickies
its reliable and will always work

>>40151881
>>40151799
>Obviously a neo is different.

>>40151785
>Isnt PPT the one that stinks like shit?
no, that's the sigmoid SRS method (which literally uses apart of the colon)
PPT is a great method

>>40151785
>>40151785
Nobody is claiming a neo vagina is exactly the same as a natal vagina. Not sure why you think constantly emphasizing the differences is some sort of win. Yes neo vaginas are surgical. They are a cavity not unlike a vagina. They serve a biological function (sexual intercourse). Trans women aren’t comparing their vaginas to cis women’s vaginas. They’re comparing them to what they had before (a nonfunctional, unwanted penis) and believe it’s preferable. So what exactly is your point? Or do you not have one anymore now that you’ve been BTFOd?

>>40151935
The point is that SRS is disgusting

>>40150727
this isnt true lol i was on e for 12 years before srs and i mightve lost an inch but didnt have any other issues using my penis for sex. post op i have way less function and sensation, still worth it for me because of dysphoria but i dont get where these myths about function come from

>>40151985
It’s more pussy than you’ll ever get, chudcel

>>40150471 (OP)
>Any cis woman would want to cut off her dick if she suddenly grew one.
This only tells us that you don't know a lot of cis women intimately enough to talk about shit like this. Because I can tell you a lot of cis women who have zeeo desire to look anything like men dream about having a dick.

>>40152009
They dream of it as a temporary fantasy. If they actually had a dick they would transition into men and go gay or kill themselves.

A willy is literally the one and only reason I don't mind living as a man. Not for fucking or anything but from the sheer flexibility of being able to pee anywhere I want. When I go to a concert and see the women's bathroom lines I feel so glad to have been born male. You can even find a small corner or something to pee in if you're really desperate. I also do believe that men have the better pleasure receptors. Willies are straightforward to work with, you get immediate feedback when you coom, and you have all the prostate stuff which is pretty poggers

>>40152009
meh if you actually talk to more, id say its like 50/50. plenty think it would be awesome but plenty are grossed out by the idea too when it comes up

>>40151894
ppt is the most likely to close itself up though theres a reason its only as a last resort revision

>>40150471 (OP)
I am the only bottom dysphoric trans woman left on planet earth.

>>40151665
Lots of, especially older, cis women use lube too. How tf is that a big issue retard

>>40152041
>meh if you actually talk to more, id say its like 50/50
Uhhh, I said that lots of them feel that way, and you respond thinking that "only half of them" is a disagreement? Half is A FUCKING LOT OF THEM if you ask me. I don't even believe it's that many, more like a third at most. Which is still more than a billion cis women.

>>40151985
Thanks for saying it out loud, but we already knew it and it's literally already been stated in the thread thah the only reason people seethe about SRS is that they think "it's disgusting". Well I think men existing is dosgusting so why don't you kys. We couldn't care less what you think.

>>40152157
>How tf is that a big issue retard
I collect reasons to never do srs personally.

>>40150471 (OP)
>Any cis woman would want to cut off her dick if she suddenly grew one.

Cis women wish they had dicks, nonny.

>>40150471 (OP)
Because the results are just not that good. Besides, from my experience at least, SRSoids seen more screwed up in the head than their unmutilated counterparts. Theyre the worst of both cis and trans women

>>40150471 (OP)
>>Any cis woman would want to cut off her dick if she suddenly grew one.
Actually i think that the first thing any woman would like to do if she woke up with a dick would be helicoptering with it

>>40152745
if you are so confidently against it what's your alternative? genuine question what do you suggest instead?

>>40150471 (OP)
>Any cis woman would want to cut off her dick if she suddenly grew one.
lol no have you met cis women?

>>40152745
>Besides, from my experience at least, SRSoids seen more screwed up in the head
That's an interesting aside if it actually bears out.
Too much risk tolerance? Not enough self preservation? What's the underlying explanation?

>>40152790
>if you are so confidently against it what's your alternative?
Keeping the penis.

>>40153074
how does that address the issue

>>40150499
But that isn't true.

>>40152466
>>40152799
cis women say they want dicks because they like the novelty of peeing outside, not having periods, and cumming way easier. but any woman besides pooners and a masochistic flavor of lesbian would never trade their pussy for a penis because getting fucked feels too good. and clits are really really good when you know what to do with them

>>40152839
I'm not sure. It just seems like srsoids have some unresolved mental problems or trauma. The "I need SRS" srsoids seem to have this problem more than the "I was peer pressured into it" though but they also have it too. I'm not a psychiatrist though.
>>40153138
>how does that address the issue
Of having a penis? Nothing wrong with that. Of having dysphoria? Beats me.

>>40150471 (OP)
I love that picrel tho.

>>40152242
>Well I think men existing is dosgusting so why don't you kys
Start with yourself, scrote.

>>40150471 (OP)
Chasers are gay and want dick. That's the main reason why this board is so anti SRS. I don't care about those men. They're not in my dating pool.
And the whole "it's an open wound, it will ruin your life" debate is stupid because SRS improved alot.
I need to start saving for SRS.

>>40150471 (OP)
because I like dicks and srs involves cutting them off. It couldn't be simpler

>>40154143
>Chasers are gay
Wrong
>They're not in my dating pool
Most men don't have SRSoids in their dating pool
>SRS improved alot
Since when? The 1940s? SRS still has miles to go before it even comes close to cis vaginas.

>>40153138
It doesn’t. They have no solutions. They just want trans women to have penises because they have a fetish for chicks with dicks and don’t actually care about dysphoric women. “The results are not that good” is a lie. SRS has a high satisfaction rate. Everyone keeps comparing it to a natal vagina as proof that it sucks when dysphoric trans women aren’t doing that. They’re comparing it to having a penis which makes them miserable and is nonfunctional anyway. I will never understand the anti SRS zealots as anything other than selfish fetishists.

>>40150471 (OP)
>Any cis woman would want to cut off her dick if she suddenly grew one
Not necessarily. I imagine some would at least want to try it out before cutting it off. Any cis lesbian who wants to have kids would definitely put it to work first. And some straight women may even try it out, on a male partner's ass or even another woman just to see what the physical sensation is like.

>>40153074
>just keep le crotch tumor that makes you want to kill yourself for the sake of my fetish
kys fag

>>40150471 (OP)
Fake image

>>40150471 (OP)
SRS doesn't do what it claims to do: give you a functioning sexual organ.
For that reason, it makes more sense to have a functioning sexual organ instead of having no functioning sexual organ.
I don't have a problem with the people who get it, but with the surgeons who are marketing a deeply flawed procedure to people.

>>40150611
>So it's a tube of flesh you stick your dick into and cum in? Got it
so? I do that all the time.

>>40157071
pre op trannies usually don't have a "functioning sexual organ"
SRS is usually an improvement in that regard

>>40150471 (OP)
>Any cis woman would want to cut off her dick if she suddenly grew one
Categorically not true.
But that aside the reason is that it doesn't give good results.
For someone who is trans and is miserable having a dick and desperately wants with every fiber of their being to have a vagina the results are acceptable. For everyone else the results range from not good to down right grotesque.
The controversy comes from two extremes. At one end you have the autistic chasers who feel the need to protect trannies from SRS but only drive people further into delusion.
From the other end you have the SRS shills who are fueled by insecurity who feel the need to make their problem everyone else problem. They lie about objective facts, they try to gaslight trannies who aren't comfortable with SRS into believing it is something it isn't or worse, to shame them for not wanting it. They try to gaslight men by trying to shame them into accepting post-ops.
So the controversy mostly comes from people having an agenda, and the people with agenda projecting onto normal people who speak objectively, shutting down normal discussion in favor of whatever their fantasy is.

>>40157071
how is it not functional exactly, or even at all less functional than what i currently have, help me understand this
my penis:
- doesnt get erect (or when it does it hurts a fuckton)
- i feel awful when it gets touched
- just gets in the way of all my clothes and outfits
- i will never insert it anywhere
- cant be inserted into for sex
my balls:
- drown my body in testosterone i have to take dubious meds to suppress
- cancer risk
- weakspot

a neovagina at the very least has none of those issues, so to me it just sounds wholly like an upgrade

>>40150471 (OP)
I can understand not wanting a thing flapping about all over the place. But wanting a permanent open wound in the crotch is just pure mental illness.

>>40150727
A shrunken, useless penis is still a biologically healthy natural organ, rather than a necrotic open wound.

>>40157217
>look at me i am definitely a tranny weeee
Idk my fiance got suporn, it isnt certainly best pussy I ever saw, but its pussy, it gets wet, it feels nice around my dick and she's happy with it. Trying to make out post-ops as some grotesque aggressive repulsive monsters is certainly a dicksexual-only chaser thing

>>40151337
Its not about the dick. Its the necrotic open wound in the crotch which is the problem.

>>40150471 (OP)
>Any cis woman would want to cut off her dick if she suddenly grew one.
No. See Freud.

>>40150471 (OP)
You're not women, so stop comparing yourself to women.

>>40158902
>>40158860
>>40158844
Why do copers always come into every thread about srs? Do you bring anything into the discussion except monkey screeching?

>>40158860
the "necrotic open wound" can piss so like tbdesu it's still at least as functional.

>>40158893
I never said I was a tranny. I never said any of the shit you're talking about that's pure projection.
Congratulations on proving my point though.

>>40150471 (OP)
Can't even commit you autogaynophilliac troon.

>>40158844
not a wound anymore after about a month of healing, or ever after that
>>40158902
never has been necrotic

i realise its kinda pointless to try to argue with you copers because you're more interested in flinging your shit around like monkeys than actually learning a thing or two

>>40150528
you want to turn your dick into a frankenstein monster because you are homophobic

>>40150471 (OP)
I actually really like my neo pussy, ama? Everyone hates on SRS here and I don’t get it

>>40150499
what about zero depth?

>>40151243
i was informed of everything when i signed the 8 papers.

>>40159823
"everyone" hating srs is just one chinese trip who samefags hating srs in every thread that mentions it

more cope, you are delusional and a failure

there's so much misinfo about vaginas on here
reality is it does exactly what i wanted and it does so much better than i was told (turns out i do have normal flora)
biggest issue is convincing doctors i don't have a flesh hole (i have bladder issues so i have a lot of doctors looking in the area)

>>40153226
correct
>>40151935
>>40155654
i am comparing to cis women because it does everything just like all the women around me except get pregnant. sex and day to day stuff is like indistinguishable.
>>40156279
to be honest i'm kind of curious what using a penis would be like (i never had sex before) now that i can think about it clearly

>>40150471 (OP)
Because the people who get it force it really hard, almost to the point you'd think it's buyer's remorse.
>YOU'RE A MAN IF YOU DON'T GET SRS
>NO STRAIGHT MAN WILL EVER LOVE YOU
If I'm comfortable, personally, with a useless, 1.5 inch peepee and I never use it, why would I want SRS, which can't offer me anything more than superficial functionality? (i.e., I can't be impregnated and have a baby, just another hole to fuck--and I already have holes I can get fucked in.)

I get some people don't care and have bad enough genital dysphoria that they want it and that's fine. But the fact that SRSoids don't respect trans women who don't want it (75% of young trannies just don't get it) is kind of egregious.

I got FFS for example and I think it probably saved my life but I'm not going around calling all MtFs who don't have it "faketrans" or "really just men" or "anyone should want it wtf is wrong with you." What's wrong with respecting that everyone is different and has different needs?

t. straight tranny

>>40160284
it's mostly because we know how much happier we are and look sadly at these arguments

>>40160353
This is just poor theory of mind (autism, malebrained). That's great that you're happier that way but there are people who are different from you. There are plenty of cis men who would be miserable on E and seek to ban it for that reason, because they think "everyone's like me and I'd hate having boobs," you're just doing the same thing here.

My penis, so long as it's unused and useless, doesn't bother me. I'd leap at the chance to get SRS in a sci-fi world where it gave me the ability to get knocked up but as it stands SRS has nothing to offer me, personally. There are plenty who would benefit from it and that's fine.

Just recognize different types of people exist with different needs. Your experience isn't universal.

>>40160209
>turns out I do have normal flora
Really? I’m like 5 years post op now, I don’t have any infections or bad smells or anything so I assume things are ok down there but I’ve never had my flora tested.
What did the test show? Who was your surgeon? If you don’t mind I’m curious hahaha

>>40160381
Nowhere did they say their experience is universal or non ops are invalid or don’t exist. Someone talking about the experiences and views of posties is not a referendum on your choices. The only people who have been shaming the choices of others in this thread are the anti SRS people.

>>40160284
Well, to me there’s a really big difference between a trans woman who copes with genital dysphoria but doesn’t get SRS because it’s experimental or inconsistent or the results aren’t good enough or can’t afford it, whatever, and a “trans woman” who doesn’t experience genital dysphoria or likes “her” penis. Not even necessarily because there’s anything wrong with that in itself, just that I don’t think they’re trans like I am. And those are always the weirdos who have given trans people a bad rap talking about feminine privilege, the cotton ceiling, lesbian transphobia, etc :/

>>40160430
>Nowhere did they say their experience is universal or non ops are invalid or don’t exist.
That's pretty strongly implied by saying "we know how much happier we are and look sadly at these arguments," and I'm obviously not even exclusively referring to this thread.

>>40160437
For full clarity and laying everything on the table I don't think I have genital dysphoria. I've never had my penis touched (I've slapped bi men for trying), in my teens nocturnal erections and wet dreams were traumatizing as hell, I'd bought a chastity cage just to minimize them before I was able to get on hormones.
As long as it's limp and useless and totally ignored during sex I don't really care that I have a penis that I only use for peeing.
Now, the main reason I don't want a vagina is because of this and the fact that I'm not really a trans woman, but a gay male caricature. I think vaginas are disgusting and can't abide them in any way.
I do badly wish I was a mother and could get pregnant. If for the sake of conversation "uterus transplants" were possible despite everything else I might try it just because I want to be a mom so badly. But they're not, I already have holes I can get fucked in, so SRS has nothing to offer me but what I would deem a gross hole.

>>40160397
you can buy ph tests from cvs or wherever but the right thing to do here is to have a sample sent off to have its bacteria analyzed
>what did the test show?
normal flora, normal ph, and no stds.
before that a variety of aerobic bacteria
>who was your surgeon?
this is really more about whether you have proper gyn care afterwards..which is admittedly hard to find given the acog spreads misinfo and tells doctors to tell us to douche with soap

i had aerobic vaginitis for the longest time until i got the right antibiotics..it was really difficult to get anyone to take it seriously and not just dismiss me with "douche and dilate more" but once i did and got medicine it went away instantly. i live in terror of getting another infection like that or worse std since my doctor moved away and i can't find a new willing AND competent gynecologist.
it would be funny how much of this "trans vaginas are open wounds" is just in their fucking heads if it didn't affect my healthcare. and how much shit like "dilate and douche" is a self-fulfilling prophecy (no shit it's fucking irritated inflamed tissue if i dilate with soap daily).
ofc if you see anything about trans gyn care it's always "we need to treat the ftms like the precious wombyn they are" while we're ignored. one doctor with a trans flag outside their door refused to see me: "how could this male get a vagina" the receptionist asked me
sorry for the word dump but this stuff gets me going

>>40160459
> we know how much happier we are and look sadly at these arguments
This is clearly referring to the experiences of posties and that their experiences don’t match what critics here are saying. You’re inferring it as some sort of dismissal of your choices because you’re for some reason reflexively defensive about your decision to not have surgery and resorting to transphobia by calling women here autistic and malebrained when you’re not even bothering to listen to what they’re saying. You need so badly to feel like you’re under attack and it’s really weird.

>>40160471
I know girl it’s so fucking stupid, for like a year post op I was cleaning like my surgeon told me to and it just kept getting worse and worse, I rinse my labia with water and nothing else, and nothing inside now and things are perfect.

>>40160459
That’s genital dysphoria baby girl. I know, I don’t know a single trans woman who doesn’t want to be a mother

>>40160503
How is it genital dysphoria if I don't want my penis gone and it doesn't really bother me anymore, practically speaking?

>>40160491
Perhaps I misunderstood in which case I apologize. Historically I have been attacked for it though--this thread isn't universal, so forgive me for being a bit on edge.

>>40160521
Touching it or it being touched are triggers. Erections and wet dreams. You cage yourself to keep it small and get rid of the erections. I think you’re trying to minimize it because even it it’s just subconscious you don’t like it and you want it gone. You know it shouldn’t be there.

>>40160546
I legitimately don't want it gone because vaginas are gross. It's like 1.5 inches now and doesn't get hard and I don't need a cage, and it seriously doesn't bother me. I don't even have a bulge unless I'm in like leggings and that's mostly from the balls (which I do want gone, orchi, and will get as soon as I can afford it).
I don't get why this is so hard to understand.

>>40160492
i had an experience fairly early on where i had a lot of bleeding and was told to stop dilating for a week. It was easier when i resumed
i connected the dots on overdilating ending up irritating the tissue and adjusted accordingly but it goes against everything we're told to do.
all my surgeon said to that was "well yeah if it works great but it's not what i'm supposed to tell you" so does he fucking know better but repeat the status quo anyway? he was wishy washing on dilating too.
and the doctor who told me soap has been giving talks on trans healthcare in which he spreads this theory.
i only got antibiotics the first time because i got to see some other doctor because the receptionist didn't realize i was trans. he gave me antibiotics but told me i wasn't allowed to see him again and it was back to soap.
it's a fucking mess

>>40160557
Baby girl vaginas are gross, but they’re not for us :P
Like I said, you’ve minimized your triggers and gotten comfortable but why did they exist to begin with? Why isn’t it ok for you to get hard and cum like any other gay man?

>>40160582
>Baby girl vaginas are gross, but they’re not for us :P
I don't want one for me because they're gross.
>Why isn’t it ok for you to get hard and cum like any other gay man?
To be perfectly fair it's normal for exclusively receptive gay men to not get hard when having anal sex, which also applies to me. Honestly I experience arousal primarily with my butt and nipples anyway.

>>40160471
Well anon, the fact that doctors don't know what the fuck they're doing is another huge reason not to get srs.

>>40160730
If no one was willing to be a guinea pig we’d never have new advancements hahaha

>>40160820
Yeah but that doesn't mean I want to be the one. Also in regards to hygiene doctors aren't gonna listen until someone actually sits down and decides to do an official study on how to actually take care of a neo-vagina, and even when that's said and published a lot of the old fuckers will refuse to change. They put the guy who told doctors they need to wash their hands in a mental asylum after all.

>>40150925
I'm sure your right

>>40160730
it's actually that they know exactly what to do but refuse to give it to us out of transphobia
>>40160846
see above but all the studies are contaminated by transphobia
they want to believe that we're a lot more special than we are
there's plenty of studies but there's also plenty of studies which make the opposite conclusions due to faulty premise (i.e. they have bad flora because we refused to give them any treatment for that^Uthey're icky men)

i'd rather have to be pushy with doctors than have to go through life without a pussy

>>40150471 (OP)
>when dems are in office: rightwingers and chuds deserve to die for opposing marxism; haha we're censoring and abusing them in show trials; we just gave drumpf just a felony over getting a property value estimate wrong; white genocide right now; the based fbi is pretty much our secret police, and it's great
>when republicans are in charge: they're so evil and heartless, bros

>>40161370
why are trannies so vicious to chuds?

>>40161403
We aren’t vicious we just want them all up against the wall. It’s like exterminating insects. You don’t feel malice towards roaches.

>>40161430
I wouldn't be so loquacious about roaches and extermination in current year, tranon

>>40150471 (OP)
SRS is a 9/10 surgery, worth all it's money.
>>40161403
chuds aren't chill. They sperg out as soon as they hear words like woman, trans etc.
They are mad and chimp out when the big corporations doesnt want them to use slurs on their webservers and blame us instead of the corporation.
Simply not cool

>>40161370
all i did was make friends with rightwingers and chuds until they started celebrating trans people dying. this time you freaks moved

>>40150471 (OP)
>controversial
it's not