I desperately want to just wake up as a girl but I know I could never transition because I wouldn't be able to bear it with family and friends but GODDAMN I want to be seen as a girl and wear feminine clothes and live a MUCH happier life

>>40169672 (OP)
i use my psychologist powers to make your physical body a womans

your family now dont care and treat you like you were always a woman

>>40169677
I wish :sob: I'd be so much happier + I think I could pass as female or atleast look very androgynous with the right clothes and make-up but none access so here I am

>>40169715
why dont you cross dress in priv to experiment?

>>40169722
I don't have any feminine clothes to try on and im still living at home so I wouldn't want to risk it

you should get it over with and transition, you will regret it and you will think about this for the rest of your life. your happiness is more important than anything else

>>40169734
i had a friend w this exact issue and they put fem clothes from the thrift and hid them in their school backpack when they were bringing them clothes home

then theyd hide the clothes under their mattress

>>40169735
When I move out I really want to start presenting feminine but as of now I'm not really able to like
even remotely transition

>>40169744
I would def buy fem clothes from a thrift or even like just a store in general but idk how to explain it I would be so worried about getting caught in fem clothes before I move out idk if I could handle it

>>40169772
thats fair! its not your time anon but it will come one day soon!

>>40169795
Thanks, one day I will embrace it and be the best version of myself I know deep down it'll be for the better

>>40169748
you can just take hrt on the side it’s easy af

>>40169795
I really appreciate it by the way this is the most open I've ever been about it to anyone and kinda myself

>>40169806
you can take T blockers for like a year before you risk bone weakness. + a few months of E before the changes are noticable. don't let yourself be masculinized any more than you need to

>>40169823
I would love to but I wouldn't be able to get either T-Blockers or Estrogen or at least for a year or two

>>40169831
otonokono

>>40169831
you can buy them off the internet. look up diy hrt, since you're mtf none of the pills are restricted. do you have any friends you can get a package delivered to? the earlier you start the more like a cis woman you'll look like

>>40169831
Same here, I am giving myself 6 months just to make sure I don't do anything stupid

>>40169846
does a year difference really matter? I feel like having a few months to experiment with looking girly off chemicals and think it over is healthier than jumping into HRT headfirst

>>40169858
I kind of agree since I could like experiment with my appearance then land on HRT just to kind of "put the final nail in the coffin" and all

>>40169874
That's pretty much where I am, this all sort of hit me like a truck so I don't want to turn a harmless phase into a permanent problem if that's just what it is.

maybe it's ultimately unhealthy to blindly glamorize femaleness constantly

>>40169858
>>40169874
just bite the bullet, it’s all reversible the first couple months anyway aside from slightly bigger nipples and if you’re gonna take hrt take hrt it’s not gonna change your mind

>>40169858
the real desist rate (people who stop HRT because they no longer want it, not people who get forced off of it because life) is 0.06%. I waited for years in between knowing what I wanted and actually working towards it, and I am depressed over how much of my life I wasted being miserable.

For trans people, there is no alternative. Cis people love to say things like "wait and figure it out" but no one who waited by their own choices doesn't wish they started sooner. If we could really cure dysphoria without hormones then no one would subject themselves to being the center of all these political screechings.

Save yourself. Don't be like me. I burned my future because I was too dissociated to even realize how miserable I was. It's hard to focus on building a career or getting good grades when you want something else so bad.

>>40169890
I'm worried that if I do I'll transition for a long time for nothing to change

>>40169896
your body, no matter what, WILL change somewhat

i trust that if you're already a bit fem its gonna only intensify it

>>40169896
stuff will inherently change, even if not significant physical (which will happen), mentally

>>40169906
I know you're probably right, the thought of wearing clothes I'd truly be comfortable in with the body to fit is sooooo intoxicating I want to feminize my body so bad so I'm sure I will start HRT as soon as I can I just need to accept myself internally first

>>40169916
and this also applies in the other direction. every second spent off hrt is time spent developing as the other

>>40169895
Fair enough, but I never really even allowed myself to consider being trans or try crossdressing until a month ago. There were signs for years and all that I should have taken more seriously, but I do just need some time for all this to cool off so I am more comfortable. I am already much happier now that this is a consideration.

>>40169858
No, youre already fucked probably
There are more hons than dolls so the odds are against you
You wont pass without a few years hrt, the longer you wait the less likely it is
t 10 year hrt passoid

>>40169928
Thats what really is worrying desu because right now all I want to do is finish school and get my life together now before making such a drastic change and pretty much killing the person I present as now but little things like arm hair getting thicker just really beat down the proverbial hammer and makes it seem like by the time I can start HRT It'll be too late

>>40169929
You dont sound dysphoric just be a femboy

>>40169949
repping can be really strong in a lot of people. I HARD shoved everything down as a teenager

>>40169948

I wish I had a kinder world for you, but this is all that we are given. In the end it is your call, but I think that two things can be taken as fact

1) you will have to transition someday if you want to be happy
2) the earlier you start, the better your results will be

there are people out there who will understand you. live long enough to find them. do not settle for survival, this is your world as much as anyone else's. you have a place in it.

>>40169949
That's what I am doing now bruh, shits fun since I have the body for it.

Like I said this was years in the making so I am pretty confused now. I specifically remember arguing for "a lot of trans kids turn out gay" because I had trannoid thoughts years ago and then I thought I was just gay, then I got depressed again and "well, being a femboy sounds fun...:"

>>40169968
thank you

>>40169948
Already too late probably
Once your pelvis fuses theres like no point your proportions are whack

>>40169974
take care of yourself. brush your teeth on the days that you can't make yourself do anything else.

>>40169948
Would it be killing you? Or would it just be you++? The wonderful feeling for me is that I could present all the things I never did before, even if there is some things I like about being a man I don't think I would mind if they became a smaller part of my life.

>>40169979
from the sounds of it she might be young enough to save her WHR

>>40169969
Does being seen as a man bother you?

>>40170002
It just feels empty

>>40170027
What about being a woman seems less empty?

>>40169992
How old are people when they typically have their WHR set in stone?

>>40170039
Well, I know I have the bones and mind of a man, but somehow femininity has a dreamy quality? I used to dream of atomic spaceships (if you knew me you would know thats important to me), but I couldn't stop myself from appearing as a woman when piloting them, I tried too. Then when I would go with my mom to do mom things, I got a similar warm fuzzy feeling. Grinding metal and shooting shit with dad is fun too and I won't give that up but it never magnetically attracted me.

>>40170054
mid-late teenagehood, it depends on person. sometimes into the mid 20s but I wouldn't bet on it

>>40169672 (OP)
it will never happen. try being a real man instead of a freak.

>>40170070
I mean im not a super confident person but im not SUPER worried about my waist I think it's probably my most feminine quality as is but in the meantime is there anything you can do to like "train" your WHR with like exorcise or something

>>40170084
fuck off

>>40169735
one day you will be in jail and no one will care about you.

>>40170084
I already am a real man, and it feels hollow.

>>40170087
WHR is fat distribution + bone structure. all you can really do is pray that E redistributes fat where you want it if you start it late in life. blockers might delay but idk

>>40170097
you will feel hollow no matter how you dress. Dressing like a woman won't solve your problems.

>>40170093
one day you will be cremated because no one will care enough to have you buried

>>40170100
I think my waist is fine but I still would want to ask if there are like.. any pre-e measures you can take to feminize your body at all?

>>40170101
I did that and it made everything feel better lol, you don't know me so I will just assume you don't know that I could kick your ass

>>40170105
Incorrect. I have a loving family and spawned multiple children who adore me. You are a freak and a nobody.

>>40170109
>mentally ill
>resorts to violent threats

pathetic excuse of a human.

>>40170114
why are you even in the forum if you don't support like... the whole main overarching topic of discussion

>>40170114
it was a factual statement, I succeeded in developing into more of a man than you will ever be and I realized its kinda lame

>>40170087
The issue is your hips wont grow if theyre fused. Happens at around 18-23.
>>40170106
Nothing worthwhile

>>40170106
sunscreen, leg day, and voice training are things you can do

most estrogen effects are reversible other than breast development but you can hide that with tape + binders like a ftm

>>40170137
well im kind of planning on secretly starting E as soon as I turn 18

>>40170110
Wow dad you told that 4chan tranny to kill herself youre so cool - your kid lol

>>40170137
Is there any way to check skeletal maturity? I am still in that age range and my shoulders are already wider than my hips but I don't know if it will get worse.

>>40170143
I do want to work on skincare and my legs, skincare I know what I want to do but I have no clue what to do for my legs..

>>40170144
shit man your lucky, I wish I knew what being a tranny was during my first wave of this.

>>40170144
diy is cheaper + doesn't make you wait, just more effort to figure out payment

>>40170146
thanks. I do my part to protect the world from mentally ill faggots

>>40170148
Maybe with an xray? If your hips stopped growing then they probably started to fuse

>>40170158
just sybau bro :sob:

>>40170153
squats and deadlifts, lunges, and stretch a lot

>>40170163
thanks homeslice I can't believe I just committed to transitioning and became WAY more comfortable with my true self because of a 4chan thread

>>40170158
Chill we can tell youre a loser

The only major thing I still need to think on is what I'm going to change my name to when I transition

>>40170187
if your parent's don't hate you, you could ask them to name you. That's what I wanna do

>>40170174
we all start somewhere, I think talking to people is a lot healthier than lurking
>>40170187
some people change more than once, you can give it time. it usually takes a while to get used to a name even if it later feels right. try to look up baby names for girls the year you were born and see if any feel right

>>40170202
I do really think talking about it helped a lot I feel 10x more comfortable with who I really am and I think I know with a lot more certainty what I'm gonna do when I'm ready. I know that im most likely start HRT at 18/19 and at least for now go by Shelby instead of my birthname

>>40170177
Oh no a bunch of mentally ill faggots think I am a loser.

>>40170221
nice to meet you shelby. my discord tag is eleventhblueberry if you ever need anything

>>40169672 (OP)
just take estrogen and manmode

>>40169888
trve

>>40170236
thanks, this has been a literal life-changing conversation I think I really needed this

>>40170235
Youre being a loser on the mentally ill faggot board, yes. Reevaluate your life brother.

>>40170249
You got this, don't try turn yourself into steel like I did. Steel is dead, flesh is alive.

>>40170249
I am rooting for you

>>40170263
>>40170264
thanks I'm not gonna give up I just need to follow through

>>40170250
why would I think shit is funny. the problems you all face are hilarious. all self imposed victims. Refusal to get help. Truly the bottom of society.

>>40170249
incoming grooming. they are luring you to their grooming discord.

>>40170282
monogamous with my gf who loves me but okay

>>40170274
>the problems you all face are hilarious

>>40170273
no pressure, you said yourself you have to wait a while so just go as far as is comfortable.

>>40170274
Go to therapy

>>40170291
She gonna cheat bro