Thread 40189776

>[T]he review wasn’t written by zealots busily grinding axes. In fact, liberals were in the majority. Some of us were paranoid that the White House would try to control the content of the review or even alter it pre-publication; that worry proved unfounded.
>After surveying all the evidence, and applying widely accepted principles of medical ethics, we found that medical transition for minors is not empirically or ethically justified.

>>40189776 (OP)
Grok is a liberal?

>>40189776 (OP)
>too afraid to come off anon
>still
still have a long way to go

>>40189829
The author is question is Alex Byrne and is an MIT professor.

>>40189776 (OP)
Liberals have always been the enemy

>our beliefs just so happen to align with the current dictatorial authoritarian regime

Wow

>>40189776 (OP)
They AI-generate their reports at the HHS now. Try to keep up, even the paper that's in reported about it.
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/trump-admin-corrects-rfk-jrs-maha-report-citation-errors-rcna209913

They're also censoring alternative viewpoints using the muscle of the federal government: https://www.npr.org/2025/04/14/nx-s1-5349473/trump-free-speech-science-research
Why the FUCK would I ever listen to the HHS, which is led by an anti-vaccination activist whose brain is half-eaten by tapeworms, and their AI-generated fake reports, while they're trying to crack down on viewpoints different from theirs with anti free speech fatwas?

I have a better idea, instead maybe let's listen to the Utah review, which the Washington Post didn't report existed at all. www.fox13now.com/news/local-news/utah-lawmakers-own-study-found-gender-affirming-care-benefits-trans-youth-will-they-lift-the-treatment-ban
It had a surprising finding since it was commissioned by the Republican state legislature to justify their ban of healthcare and restrictions on families and doctors who understand these situations better than some AI chatbot.
Why did the newspapers ignore it?

>>40190134
Couldn't someone with any tech savviness be able to make a bot that spams that link of xitter to anti trans youth shit?

>>40190134
How about no. Everyone knows ftm and transbians are faketrans by in large. Any information to the contrary is simply wrong.

>>40190159
do you want to lose more rights or something?

>>40190178
Most people have never even thought about changing their gender at all. If someone is transitioning, they are almost certainly trans.

>>40190190
Everyone thinks about it now because trannies are a cognitohazard

>>40190134
>Why did the newspapers ignore it?
Because liberals are jumping off the bandwagon.

>>40190200
I just showed you only about 1 in every 50 people have ever even thought about it once. It's from a poll in France (which is why the transcript is a little weird as it's translated) where this is more accepted.

>>40190110
>>our beliefs just so happen to align with the current dictatorial authoritarian regime
>and also sweden and finland

>>40190211
Americans of all parties overwhelmingly oppose government crackdowns trying to intimidate families for minding their business. Whether the failing newspapers with declining readerships agree or not is irrelevant, but does demonstrate your alignment with the brittle and out of touch establishment ruining this country and trying to divide people.

>>40189776 (OP)
Look into the fourth turning. The US is going through a retarded era in its history. In 20 years, all of these attitudes will reverse because they'll have played themselves out. Luckily a lot of the nasty old fucks who think they've btfo'd trannies forever will still be alive and old a decrepit. They'll spend their final days sneeding the way that old racists did in the 1960s.>>40190200

>trannies are a cognitohazard

I'm sorry to tell you this but.. if the idea of changing genders appeals to you you've got some issues. It's not an everybody thing.

>>40190190
That’s the most retarded thing anyone’s ever said. Everyone’s thought about it.

>>40190245
>I'm sorry to tell you this but.. if the idea of changing genders appeals to you you've got some issues. It's not an everybody thing.
Trannies stop trying to change everyone into trannies like you're the fucking prions of human beings challenge (impossible)

>>40190218
Just reading the question itself makes them think about it so it should be 100%. ass methodology

>>40190229
So fucking what, this post didn't stop me using my estrogen, and it won't stop youth getting hrt.

>>40190229
>Finland
>Sweden
>socialist paradises
1-800-COME-ON-NOW

>>40190261
>Trannies stop trying to change everyone into trannies like you're the fucking prions of human beings challenge (impossible)

I don't want you to be trans. You type like a creepy autist who doesn't have the charisma to successfully transition.

Nevertheless, I also want my fellow humans to be as unburdened by retardation as possible.

If you think troons are a cognitohazard, that's a you thing. You need to figure your own shit out.

Not transition. Please don't. We have enough socially stupid hons ruining our lives and reputations. But at least learn the underlying causes of your own behaviors so that you aren't stumbling through life tripping over yourself forever while blaming everyone else for it.

>>40190229
This is misinformation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_health_care_misinformation#Sweden

Meanwhile, countries where mainstream medical agree with the Utah review that concluded evidence for trans medicine is solid:
* Germany, Switzerland, and Austria / https://www.lemkininstitute.com/single-post/new-german-swiss-and-austrian-guidelines-recommend-trans-youth-care-slam-cass-review
* Canada / https://academic.oup.com/pch/advance-article/doi/10.1093/pch/pxae066/7816713
* France / https://www.assignedmedia.org/breaking-news/cass-report-vs-france-research
* Japan / https://whatthetrans.com/japans-transgender-treatment-guidelines-receive-update/
* United States, generally / https://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S1054139X24004397
* Australia and New Zealand / https://www.ranzcp.org/news-analysis/a-letter-from-members-regarding-the-cass-review-and-the-college-s-response
* Latin America, generally / https://www.researchgate.net/publication/384324303_Afirmacion_de_genero_y_evidencia_en_torno_al_suicidio_Aportes_para_el_debate_publico
* Ireland / https://gcn.ie/irish-academics-letter-criticising-cass-review/
* South Africa / https://www.spotlightnsp.co.za/2024/06/13/why-affirming-treatment-for-gender-questioning-youth-matters-in-sa/
* The Netherlands / https://www.amsterdamumc.org/nl/vandaag/een-reactie-van-amsterdam-umc-op-de-cass-review-over-transgenderzorg.htm
* Poland / https://journals.viamedica.pl/endokrynologia_polska/article/view/104289/81774
* New South Wales / https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-09-06/gender-affirming-care-still-safe-effective-and-reversible-review/104322428

>>40190261
Anyone obssesed with this tiny fringe minority is hiding a secret. I used to be something of a chud myself, now I wave the flag.

You're coping, and I know your secret

>>40190314
I love you, info anon

>>40190314
>studies on real trannies somehow should influence policy on USA faketroons
y tho?

>>40189776 (OP)
>it wasn't angry zealots
>rest assured it was the (neo)liberals
But that's even worse, at least with the zealot you get honest emotion. The liberals will say nice things one moment and then sell you into slavery.

>>40189776 (OP)
>>40189847
alex byrne isn't even a doctor, he's a philosopher
he did publish a book called "the trouble with gender" in 2023, I wonder what he said in it
he also recently wrote the "How the Gay Rights Movement Radicalized, and Lost Its Way" article for new york times
he talks quite a bit about gender on his twitter, it seems like most of what he's posted this month is about gender or trans people in some way
in 2024 he published a paper called "Another myth of persistence?" about childhood-onset gender dysphoria, in "Archives of Sexual Behavior", a journal once ran by zucker, which promotes conversion therapy and ROGD.
he seems like the sort of "liberal" who calls himself a liberal but doesn't actually believe in anything other than the status quo, and gets offended by the idea of positive change. Or the sort of general philosophical concept of "liberal" which of course includes republicans.
and as it turns out, there's actually a page on his anti-transgender activism! turns out his wife is also an anti-trans activist
https://www.transgendermap.com/issues/academia/philosophy/alex-byrne/

>>40190328
Doctors who were trying to cure smallpox did not secretly want to become smallpox, anon

>wake up
>think about trannys
>rage
>trannys in my brain
>better go online to argue with them to get rid of the tranny thoughts
>tranny thoughts still there god damn
>maybe i can try a bit of hrt but I'll be still be a chud
>wow I feel 1000 times better
>I was deeply misinformed
>unsubsribe from rage bait gifters and touch grass

Grass doesn't discriminate, anyone can walk upon it

>>40190388
>estrogen turns people sheepish and submissive
yup

>>40190375
Sir, this is the lgbt board

>>40190359
The people presenting to clinics are undergoing evaluations to ascertain that distinction.

>>40190412
the clinicians are tards in USA howstever

>>40190437
They obviously aren't, since "comparing regret after GAS to regret after other surgeries and major life decisions, the percentage of patients experiencing regret is extremely low." https://www.americanjournalofsurgery.com/article/S0002-9610(24)00238-1/abstract
So few people are getting to that point that the evaluation process must necessarily be rigorous.

>>40190401
Yes, carry on raging whilst listening to the critical drinker and sargon

You must enjoy being taken for an idiot

People under the ages 16-18 indeed shouldn't transition medically. I don't understand why you troons are trying to die on the child gender transition hill.

>>40190656
if you're old enough for natural puberty you're old enough to transition, and I don't mean blockers

>>40190656
Because I transitioned at that age and I benefited from it. There's no "dying on this hill". I lived on this hill.

>>40190670
>>40190733
Based

>>40190733
you're a victim of medical malpractice

>>40190370
>alex byrne isn't even a doctor, he's a philosopher
Yes, his inclusion is explained in the article, philosophers frequently accompany medical experts for medical ethics cases.

>>40190472
idek what those things you said are. I looked it up and it’s like YouTubers? lmao holy shit

>>40190454
Go to party with psych majors and you’ll radicalize so quick

>>40190819
I don't care
he's not a medical ethicist either
>Questions examined in some recent papers and articles include whether hallucinations have objects, whether there are ordinary objects, and whether there is a sex/gender distinction.
he's into metaphysics and anti-trans activism. In other words, he's into fiction

>>40190841
>I don't care
The liberal elite do, which is why NYT and WaPo's coverage has been what it is the last month, and that will trickle into their subscriber pools.

>>40190855
that still doesn't make him reputable

>>40190868
On the contrary, reputable is positive signal of reputation among fellows, which is demonstrated as present precisely by this sort of egalitarian-class think piece.

>>40190898
on the contrary, he has no background in transgender medicine or gender theory, and is simply being platformed because his very recent ideological shift happens to align with the modern anti-trans political movement. The HHS report is not a "thinkpiece", it was AI generated with falsified references. Simply the fact that he's claiming authorship to a paper like that is enough to squander whatever reputation he might have had as an academic, he's practically admitting to academic dishonesty. If he were a student he might get expelled for submitting a paper like that.
I suppose he's banking on retiring soon and making money as a political grifter on the side.

>>40190656
The fixation on banning medical care for minors, and the political success of it, makes me wonder how far you could go. Could you han vaccines for minors? Not just vaccine mandates, but making them illegal. I'm sure antivaxxers would argue the same thing. How about banning braces (as in for teeth) for minors? The minors can't consent to it, better wait until their teeth are completely fucked up as adults.

>>40190953
>The HHS report is not a "thinkpiece",
This article is
>it was AI generated with falsified references
No it wasn't, you're conflating with a separate incident.
>Simply the fact that he's claiming authorship to a paper like that is enough to squander whatever reputation he might have had as an academic, he's practically admitting to academic dishonesty
Medical ethics falls cleanly under the field of philosophy.
>on the contrary, he has no background in transgender medicine or gender theory
Irrelevant to his role in the report.
Most importantly, irrelevant to the audience being signaled to.

These articles are a strong cultural signal to upper-middle class libs that it's now okay, socially acceptable, to ditch.

>trans people exist unless they're kids then you're a groomer for advocating their ability to take HRT
how long until adult HRT is b&?

>>40191005
>These articles are a strong cultural signal to upper-middle class libs that it's now okay, socially acceptable, to ditch.
yes, a right wing propagandist who has spent the last few years as an anti-trans grifter is writing "hey us liberals are over the trannies" propaganda
no way

>>40191014
Well, the only place that gives HRT remotely near me is Planned Parenthood, and there are multiple of them in my state. Since states can now cut off Medicaid funding to Planned Parenthood, then if the one near me closes, I'd have to drive a really long way to get to the one other place that does trans healthcare in my state. So that can already be a soft ban in effect.

>>40191024
>a right wing propagandist
That may make you feel better in the moment, but that's not how it's going to work in the wild, because it's not how institutional pivots work. These papers publish because they deem it safe to do so, because they deem that their subscribers will accept it and not rebel.

>>40191048
and yet the actual medical organizations speak out against it. The "institutional pivot" is republicans doing exactly what you expect.
are there any doctors who were involved in this, or just activists and journalists?

>>40191073
>are there any doctors who were involved in this, or just activists and journalists?
>experts in endocrinology, the methodology of evidence-based medicine, medical ethics, psychiatry, health policy and social science, and general medicine

>The "institutional pivot" is republicans doing exactly what you expect
>the NYT and WaPo and other bourgeois publications and their subscribers are republicans
Lead the horse to water but they won't drink

You just couldn't help yourself going after kids, could you? You could have tried to put your efforts behind making transitioning better, and more appealing for people once they turn 18, but no. "Hey 11 year old, start physically altering yourself or you're going to be a giga hon" was the real winner for you. Crazy you tried to induce body modification FOMO in children.

>>40191106
oh no, the newspapers!
your movement is dead
all the anti-trans activists on twitter will be politically irrelevant the second that trump is no longer president, because the dems don't care enough to go against the recommendations of every single actual medical organization.

>>40191124
>your movement is dead
>looks around
Honestly feel sorry for you having blinders this hard nonna

>>40191146
>trump will be in power forever
have fun with that

>>40191119
>You just couldn't help yourself going after kids, could you? You could have tried to put your efforts behind making teeth straightening dental care better, and more appealing for people once they turn 18, but no. "Hey 11 year old, start physically altering yourself or your teeth and jawline will be fucked up" was the real winner for you. Crazy you tried to induce body modification FOMO in children.
I agree, braces ban when?

>>40191158
>the lib posturing will end with trump

>>40191188
When you think you're on the right side of history, every aberration of your belief just means things will soon return back to your preferred status quo.

>>40191214
It's sad, really. There were multiple such articles today, reinforcing the shift. Tranners just won't digest it.

>>40191188
Term limits are a thing

>>40191326
I wasn't aware there were term limits on being a lib citizen who reads NYT

>>40190211
Fuck that its neo libs running the "liberal media" hence why they always default to reagonomics and hate progressives.
They desperately want to go back to the good old days of the Clinton's when they could run on stripping blacks of welfare and jailing them, deporting brown people and triangulating away LGBT rights while pushing "free trade" deals

>>40191340
Nobody reads the NYT.

>>40191732
>130 million monthly readers
See >>40191146

>>40191766
>130 million
Bro even when newspapers were at their height, no single publication had that many readers. Your number is the number of online bots/crawlers landing on the site per month.

>>40191817
>doesn't know about fingerprinting bots
Even a 50% bot rate doesn't help you desu.
The tide is coming in. Will you recognize it? Or will you drown?

>>40190110
a flat earther could say the same thing. sometimes you're just so wrong that people on all sides of the politcal spectrum can see it, groomer.

>>40191853
Sure bro, enjoy collecting your fell for it again awards the next four years.

>>40191943
>25 states now banning childhood gender affirming care
>multinational systematic reviews describing no confidence in current evidence
>lib press agreeing and creating cover for accepted opinion
I'll spare a "fell for it" medal for you.

>>40191853
Sorry, I just don't believe that 130 million people, or even 75 million people are reading the New York Times regularly. Only about 130 million people even voted. Most citizens don't read the newspaper for their news.

>>40191163
Disingenuous skinwalker. I hope you choke on your uterus envy before you rape anyone.

>>40191119
Don't forget encouraging children to threaten suicide.

>>40191005
>No it wasn't
Unless they cite a source of their ridiculous claim that "Healthy male estrogen levels" are "60-130pg/mL" I will continue to believe it's AI generated and I am 99% sure there was no endocrinologist on the team.

>>40190229
"Muh heckin vinland" is the euro version of "Muh heckin nippon"
Tranny healthcare over there was in an abhorrent state even before banning minors - ridiculous requirements for mental health, multiple year waitlists, denial of hrt prescriptions to post-ops, sexual harassment of both adult and minor patients. They basically closed the clinic because they didnt want to deal with the problems they themselves created.

>>40190359
if you are on 4chan you're faketrans

>>40190831
Yeah they're popular with chuds

>>40191896
I still have my estrogen, your post is redundant, kill yourself

>>40190388
Lmao this is why people hate you
>TAKE THE HRT CHUD
No

>>40190472
>>40193028
Lmao that’s the “chuds” you know
Ok groomer
Are you a transbian by any chance

>>40189776 (OP)
Every news media outlet should be pro trans and if anyone is transphobic the troon police will get them
>>40190388
I hate trannies so my urge to fuck them is lessen

>>40190962
disallowing it below the age of medical consent (or for some reason..the much higher age 19?) is also a clear signal that unlike vaccines and dental care it is not legitimate medicine

>>40193243
I dont care just stop attacking trans people, stay in your basement

>>40193248
This post sounds like roid rage, calm down

>>40193511
Women can't rape because le uk court said so

>>40193254
Stop raping us, bad, bad bad bad bad bad stop

>>40193531
They said rape requires a penis, but what about mtfs with a vagina...

So they had a think, and if a man fucks a mtf against her will, its actually the mtf who raped the man! And then you send the mtf to a male prison

Prison is horrible, England is horrible, these are grotesque human beings who revel in misery

>>40193243
Just fucking take your HRT you retard, you know you want to be a girl, so be one, stop jerking it to sissy hypno, BBC and white humiliation cuck fetish like a miserable, writhing creature.

>>40193585
>projection, the post

>>40193594
Ever wonder why the tranny site and the chud site has the most incidence of those fetishes? Chud repressors are gooning 24/7 to run away from the tranny thoughts, pathological obsession with masculinity, conservatism and traditionalism also shows y'all are trying to craft something within yourselves that isn't real, meaning, your internal sense of masculinity, y'all are not full straight hetero and you know it deep down.

>>40189776 (OP)
>the people who held up trannies as a shield/scapegoat for every obnoxious thing they did stop pretending like they had our best interests in mind
>>40191119
transitioning isn’t supposed to be “appealing,” it’s supposed to be an effective treatment for people who seek it out on their own volition.
>Hey 11 year old, start physically altering yourself or you're going to be a giga hon
if you change 11 to a more reasonable age like 14-16 then yeah that’s literally just the truth a lot of the time
>>40192030
nobody believes that you actually gave a shit about us when we were kids, you’re the disingenuous one. The second one of us turns 18 (or sometimes before when it’s convenient for your narrative) you stop feigning concern and the poor victim of le ideology becomes an evil fetishist.

>>40193618
Yeah that's cool and all, but I'm NTA you were talking to, just pointing out the projection which you then gladly confirmed.

>>40193647
Y-yes, I jerked it to sissy hypno, BBC and white humiliation cuck fetish, HRT got rid of that for good though, not a single day since starting HRT have I felt the need to look at that shit, much less read endlessly about conservatism, traditionalism and neonazi/fascist BS.

>>40193693
lmao agp

>>40193784
Yes, so what?

>>40193630
>if you change 11 to a more reasonable age like 14-16 then yeah that’s literally just the truth a lot of the time
Not per the evidence

>>40189776 (OP)
>foreign commies are winning elections as dems on explicit "steal from whitey and fuck borders" platforms
if you support "liberal" leftism in america as a white tranner, you're actually just a traitor.

>>40189776 (OP)
>liberal
The average dem is a bolshevik who hates freedom and has no business calling themselves that.

>>40190962
Vaccines, and especially braces are there to fix objectively obvious potential issues/defects. Trannies don't fucking know if they got dysphoria or not even when they're adults. Plenty of retarded fetishists cutting their dicks off, or just psyoped autists. I'm not even denying at all that gender dysphoria IS a thing, but if it's so hard to discern and make sure of even in adult years how can someone expect to properly discern it in a child? Kids are fucking liars, they lie and bullshit all the time and they also don't know what feelings of theirs are real on any given thing (not just trans identity) and which are not.

if we make it harder to transition the chinese and russians will continue to build up their arsenal of superior troons and america will yet again be left behind

we cannot allow there to be a transgender gap!

>>40196079
Russia literally banned gender transition anon...

>>40196126
thats what they want you to think

>>40190855
WaPo is owned by a billionare and NYT is rightwing now
Only suckers read either rag