I've come to realise that leftists don't view transitioning as an action taken to treat gender dysphoria, or even as a quirky fashion statement that someone undergoes to be different, but rather they view it as an active attempt to rebel against gender norms

None of them care about passing because passing is not the point, in fact passing defeats the purpose of transition for them. To them the whole point of transitioning is to "betray" the patriarchy if you're AMAB, and liberate yourself from the oppression of womanhood if you're AFAB. Think of it as more body-mod version of going vegan. Causing cishet normies to become disgusted is not a bad thing, in fact it's one of the objectives. The total and utter deconstruction of gender norms. Meanwhile going stealth is practically equivalent to being a vegan but still using animal tested products, you're not fully commited to cause if you still crave conformity in anyway whatsoever.

And this is why leftists believe that HRT is optional, to them it's just another optional tool to become a repulsive genderfxck chimera. You can meaningfully transition without HRT because you can always dye your hair green and drape a tight leather dress over your hairy protruding abadomen anyway

In summary, mainstream leftists are not your allies, we don't have any allies except ourselves because nobody can understand what it's like to be trans objectively. It is purely an inter-subjective experience that can only be felt instead of understood, the closest a cis person can come to knowing our plight is through immense empathy and love

I hate all these twitter leftist weirdos
I hate critical theory and third worldist poliitcs

I just wanna be a cute normal girl and have a cute normal life
Not larp as mao zeodong

>>40190332 (OP)
>leftists don’t *wall of text*
smells like you’re a leftist yourself

>>40190383
i'm apolitical, I don't care about anything except myself and niche set of interests. I like China though because I truly believe that the CCP is the most efficient government ever concieved, that's where my apprecation of it ends though.

>>40190371
same
and yet these vampires have taken over our movement and invited hordes of braindead teenagers to skinwalk as us as a political statement.

>>40190332 (OP)
That is what a lot of very sane and well read people have been saying for a very long time. Everyone has just ignored it because they wanted to be part of the fun and quirky revolution. This is just a typical move of now starting a culture war/revolution and getting other people to take the hits for you. They're participating by playing with riot police during a few weekends a year, but others according to them must go without necessary care for years. Just to abolish gender, which really mainly benefits radical feminists with a 99% overlap with TERFs. Are trans people stopping to think about it more seriously yet?

Give up your HRT for 4 years so TERFs can demand equal pay in management positions. If not you're not making the sacrifices the revolution requires of you, and you're filthy trans medicalists.

>>40190371
>implying any of them would be actual communists and give up their hyper capitalist lifestyle
Yes little soldier, do not seek out more fair systems until we can sell it to you.

>>40190332 (OP)
>we don't have any allies except ourselves
You have libertarians, the latest wave of right wing entryists is on its way out, and more importantly, libertarians are the only people who actually care about your right to self-ownership.

>>40190332 (OP)
does the zine author know about homebrew diy or is that too scary for the be gay do crimes crowd

>>40190332 (OP)
you know this person is trans too right

>>40190332 (OP)
she's literally just a muslim larping as a leftist

>>40190540
lolberterians are a meme and they basically no longer exist, people calling themselves lolberterian nowadays are not lolberterians and are just trying to present as something that sounds "safer" than their actual beliefs

>>40190540
Libertarians only care about crypto rugpulls and replacing taxes with road tolls and private subscription services

>>40190332 (OP)
oh wow it's almost like mainstream leftists in western are actually either neoliberals or authoritarians who don't actually want anyone outside of a ruling elite to have rights.
>>40190540
unfortunately most "libertarians" are actually just people who want unregulated capitalism which inevitably trends towards monopolies consolidating power and becoming authoritarian.

>>40190620
>in western
I forgot to say society anons it's over

>>40190550
people like that are too stupid to comprehend diy or how to get it

>>40190332 (OP)
None of that shit they described is going to happen. Why even argue about it. They're talking like they're on the verge of overthrowing every government on the planet at once and not as if they just got BTFO on every level by right-wing movements in most countries, which is what actually just happened.

>>40190540
Trannies will no more accept libertarianism as their salvation than I would've accepted HRT when I was still repping. It's obvious that libertarianism would fix the problems with this country but nobody wants it because they've been brainwashed by statist media propaganda.

>>40190463
>I truly believe that the CCP is the most efficient government ever concieved
elaborate im curious

>>40190697
all the famous libertarians are jews
libertarianism is literally jews telling goyim never to do any of the things that made them, jews, successful

>>40190697
there are no libertarians
libertarianism is never going to happen, even if every single tranny voted for it

>>40190691
>They're talking like they're on the verge of overthrowing every government
it's probably because of the idea of a spontaneous global revolution happening "just around the corner" ever since marx's time
>>40190697
>It's obvious that libertarianism would fix the problems with this country
the end state of an unregulated capitalism in which monopolies have bought out all of their competition and control everything is functionally no different from a socialist dictatorship in which the government controls all industry. If you can see how one is bad hopefully you can see how the other is too.

>>40190691
because they are transphobic and enjoy constructing hypotheticals in which transsexuals are tortured as a wonderful sacrifice for the revolution

>>40190620
i think the zine stuff is far less neoliberal shit than your average western leftist, since it’s dealing with the reality that a socialist revolution would change things

Why is it the minorities are always the ones that have to suffer for the leftist revolution?

>>40190332 (OP)
How would punching a cop actually accomplish anything other than getting you arrested? Its not my fault my hrt doesnt come from Le Woke places. I didn't fucking choose to have gender dysphoria. Why would I choose to be reliant on medication to not want to kms?

>>40190332 (OP)
lol

>>40190755
okay then it's authoritarian shit that I already covered

>>40190747
Buying out all your competition doesn't work in a free market for two reasons:
Price system, aggressively buying all your competitors pushes supply down, raising the market price of companies.
Even if you do buy up the competition, there are no legal protections stopping the establishment of competitors.

>>40190786
>Price system, aggressively buying all your competitors pushes supply down
>because it just does okay?

>Even if you do buy up the competition, there are no legal protections stopping the establishment of competitors.
there are no legal protections stopping the stronger companies from just embrace extend extinguishing their competitors out of existence either. Or consolidating power through other means

>>40190332 (OP)
I don't think this applies to your standard left-wing voter in the States, who just wants better social welfare + to spit in the face of the hoarder elites that make life worse for everyone. You're extrapolating the broader focuses of the American left from a magazine excerpt on Twitter, which is pretty embarrassing if you're not actively being facetious.

>>40190800
Yes, buying up all the stock of something pushes supply down.
Embrace extend extinguish only works under the current patent/IP law paradigm, which is not free market.

>>40190800
to go a step further in the same way that vertical hierarchies and governments are pre-disposed to consolidate political power into the hands of a few elected representatives and appointed bureaucrats a capitalist market is pre-disposed to consolidate wealth and by extension power in the hands of a few business owners. Thus the two systems suffer the same fundamental flaw.
>>40190833
>Yes, buying up all the stock of something pushes supply down.
supply of what anon? What is this nebulous material that vanishes into thin air when people buy companies. If it's the companies themselves than yeah that's the point of monopolization.

being trans means you want to escape homophobia and assimilate into heteronormative society

>>40190786
Real midwit take that ignores reality. Can't believe people are still trying to defend free markets when they're all painfully degenerating right now and making it nearly impossible to compete with slop and trash.

>>40190893
I know, right? Motherfuckers constantly harp on about communism being as apocalyptic as a meteor being dropped on the planet but meanwhile I'm watching the slow degradation of everything in the West contrasted with watching China do pretty fucking great right now.

>>40190876
>What is this nebulous material that vanishes into thin air when people buy companies. If it's the companies themselves than yeah that's the point of monopolization.
You've neutralized your own argument, you're not saying anything anymore. My point still stands, the price system acts strongly against attempts at monopolization, as buying up other companies lowers supply, thus raising price, to say nothing of the fact that a competitor can just say no.
>>40190893
We don't live in a free market.

>>40190924
>lowers supply, thus raising price
supply of fucking what anon

>>40190924
>We don't live in a free market.
Correct, the "free market" is a fantasia you have concocted that will never exist, as material incentives push capitalists into manipulating the market for their own desires.

>>40190930
Companies in your sector

>>40190332 (OP)
>lands you in a prison that misgenders you
why do tankies want trannies to get v-coded

>>40190332 (OP)
>The revolution will continue until the lowest possible rung of society improves
Or something dumb like that

>>40190939
Free market economies have existed many times in the past:
Pre Federal Reserve US (Especially the Old West)
Liberal Britain circa 1800
Hong Kong until recently
etc

>>40190942
if the supply of companies goes down then pre-existing companies don't just suddenly gain more value dumbass. A large corporation that buys out other smaller corporations would have more control over the goods and services in the given sector and as such would be able to drive competitors out of business buy providing cheaper goods and services of the same value. It's a larger scale version of a large multinational corporation establishing itself in a small town and causing small businesses to close shop.

>>40190981
>if the supply of companies goes down then pre-existing companies don't just suddenly gain more value dumbass
It gains market value, unless you're denying the law of supply and demand.
>A large corporation that buys out other smaller corporations would have more control over the goods and services in the given sector and as such would be able to drive competitors out of business buy providing cheaper goods and services of the same value
This is a win for the consumer, people get the same goods at a lower cost. If this now dominant company attempts to exploit this position, since there are no protections against upstart competition in a free market, it will suffer new competitors.

>>40191037
>It gains market value, unless you're denying the law of supply and demand.
that market value doesn't mean shit if it isn't able to compete with the larger corporation and turn a profit. As I said earlier there's other ways of consolidating power.
>This is a win for the consumer, people get the same goods at a lower cost
and then more customers are driven to the larger corporation which means less gains for the smaller corporations which means the smaller corporations can pay their employees less creating a negative feedback loop that eliminates competition.
>If this now dominant company attempts to exploit this position, since there are no protections against upstart competition in a free market, it will suffer new competitors.
eventually all the people in the sector will be employed by the same company at which point the company could just not pay their workers enough to create meaningful competition.

>>40191074
Smaller firms can specialize or pivot. Markets are complex and dynamic, where one major company may be dominant in one area, the smaller company may appeal better to a niche in another.
>eventually all the people in the sector will be employed by the same company at which point the company could just not pay their workers enough to create meaningful competition.
This, and pretty much all of your other points are just unfounded speculation. A monopoly or near-monopoly abusing its position provides a strong incentive for new competition.

>>40191203
>Smaller firms can specialize or pivot. Markets are complex and dynamic, where one major company may be dominant in one area, the smaller company may appeal better to a niche in another.
how is the smaller company meant to do that if it doesn't have any customers to give it the wealth to do that anon?
>A monopoly or near-monopoly abusing its position provides a strong incentive for new competition.
How is new competition meant to arise if no one has the wealth to challenge the monopoly anon?

>>40191227
>how is the smaller company meant to do that if it doesn't have any customers to give it the wealth to do that anon?
expanding on this even if they are magically able to do that it's only a matter of time before the monopoly expands it's reach to the next sector it pivots to. This all goes without mentioning all the other ways that the monopoly could consolidate even more power such as through sabotaging it's competition or creating quasi-military systems that forcefully eliminate competition.

>>40190783
so what’s the anarchist solution?

>>40191227
>how is the smaller company meant to do that if it doesn't have any customers to give it the wealth to do that anon?
>How is new competition meant to arise if no one has the wealth to challenge the monopoly anon?
Both of these points rest on absurd presuppositions:
That nobody in the entire economy has ability to raise capital, seek investment or pool resources to fund a competing business.
That smaller firms have no customers, and have no ability to again, raise capital to fund the pivot.
>>40191261
You've gone completely off the rails here, back into your fantasy land of unfounded speculation. The economy isn't a game of agario, companies are not uniform, they are specialized, and would struggle outside of their sector.
The latter points have nothing to do with free markets at all, they are coercion, which is the non free market status quo. Because as always, criticisms of libertarianism and anarchism are more accurately criticisms of the status quo.

>>40191280
there's a lot of ways but the main ones I can think of off the top of my head are changing society through prefigurative politics and the creation of dual power structures (which while the concept was originally created by leninists it is still nonetheless a useful thing to adopt) which model horizontal organization and governance.

>>40191312
>Both of these points rest on absurd presuppositions:
you dismiss my arguments as "absurd" and "unfounded" whilst these claims themselves have no basis and shows you do not want to engage in good faith.
>The latter points have nothing to do with free markets at all, they are coercion, which is the non free market status quo.
the free market is inherently coercive anon.
>Because as always, criticisms of libertarianism and anarchism
I am an anarchist anon. I'm criticizing capitalist markets here not anarchism.

>>40190332 (OP)
None of these people mean any of these things it’s all a stupid circlejerk they won’t even go without coffee or kitkats made with slave labor and animal torture, the only time they will is when it’s a trade off for some fleeting ego boost that will dissipate as soon as the new flavour of virtue signal is in vogue.

Literally nobody will actually live this. Far left and far right only actually exist on the internet, post materialism means all these movements are feeling/vibes/expression based and not actually real beliefs they will live by.

>>40190332 (OP)
i care more about my hormones than being a delulu gen z "activist" taking on the jews while being scared to say "the jews" by posting big words on twatter
keep slaying qween i'm sure nethanyahu reads your twats

>>40190332 (OP)
>for our utopian cause, you might have to commit yourself to medical neglect, insanity, etc.
the problem with the left is it views peoples whole ass lives as disposable because muh privilege, and theres no level of shit you can eat that will wash the phrase "settler colonialism" from some leftist dipshits mind.

>you are men so you need to fight in some retarded revolution for the actual women so they can stay sitting at home having babies
this is kinda what it's saying, women are not expected to and will not fight if some "revolution' happens but trans women are
kinda fucked up but it makes sense since every ideology is basically a competition for who can worship foids the best

>>40190332 (OP)
i see alot of walls of text in this retard thread for retards so im gonna make it simple
i aint gonna stop being a commie, or a tranny

>>40192565
That's because to them it's a religion and they're zealots

My personal pet peeve is the transwomen who can't admit they're biologically male. Like it's not even a bad thing or saying anything about how you should live, it's just a fact.

>>40190332 (OP)
ah, you're beginning to figure it out.

>>40190332 (OP)
these people don't actually read history or learn about what happens in authoritarian regimes
if they cared they would be trying to get us out of the US asap instead of trying to "take a stand" on twitter dot cum
if they cared they would be setting up something that wasn't twitter dot cum to communicate on
if they cared they would be doing instead of preaching

look at our fucking allies bro ahhahahahahaha

>>40193856
Um excuse me I take estrogen which makes my hormonal sex female and also I had an orchiectomy which makes me intersex because I now have no gametes etc etc

>>40193972
Yeah that kinda stuff.

>>40193994
I'm with you, its fucking annoying

ok but is HRT actually required to transition though? I know its generally a very good idea or else you will masculinize, but I feel like some asian dudes can permatwink so I see it as more of a tool than the main part of transitioning.

Making the argument for imperialism cuz if imperialism is needed for HEALTHCARE hell no way anyone in the world is gonna drop having access to MEDICATIONS for some leftist revolution lmao
>>40190371
Yknow what's funny is third worldism is a deeply western thing

>>40190332 (OP)
you know this actually does make me wonder how that philipino maoist guerrilla tranny they recently killed transitioned I mean I know most of the guerrila work is not even combat but you'd imagine getting hormones in the jungle would be kinda hard

>>40194029
Did she have tits? I feel like some people can look reasonably feminine without hormones.

>>40194011
fuck off and kys
and if this isn't bait then then still fuck off

>>40191280
To ignore "power", or rather the simulation of it. Power doesn't exist anymore, fascism doesn't either, it's all simulated, reinforcing itself through emulation of the signs of power.
Revolutionaries only end up reinforcing power and communism is a deeply convenient ideology for our hyperreal world - they'll keep you dreaming of overthrowing the government so that you never realise there is no government, just some simile of it. But every object wants to be subject, to create History. So maoists and other tankie morons will keep being the idiot utiles of a fake system.

>>40194052
No its seriously a question, I want HRT too but like isn't it just a tool to modify your body? I really don't think something you discover in yourself like its always been there can only be brought out by pharmaceuticals that didn't even exist when my grandma was born.

Does it fuck with your mental state or something and I just don't get it because I haven't tried it?

>>40190755
>the reality that a socialist revolution would change things
nah it's just some terminally online tranny jerking off to made up scenarios where they become martyrs for actions they will never actually commit because it will necesitate they actually leave their room

>>40190332 (OP)
>punching a cop in the face
Man, encouraging someone to do this is really dumb. Even if you're trying to be all "fuck the police, down with the system" it's not going to accomplish anything except putting you behind bars.

But beyond that, the average person can't throw a punch worth a damn. You aren't going to knock the cop out like in a movie, you're going to embarrass yourself. Especially if you're a transwoman taking estrogen. These people are goofy.

It's more likely to go like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVUhnzQmx_A

>>40192565
It's not the left, it's commies.
Even old school anarchists like Kropotkin make it clear: first, the people need bread.

>>40194080
>Especially if you're a transwoman taking estrogen.
Maybe that's why that human scum meant - more T for bigger punches.
It begs the question of why not provide steroids for revolutionaries then

>>40194086
nah anarkiddies where promoting propaganda of the deed despite knowing it led to nothing but the gallows back when kropotkin wrote that shit

>>40194062
I am actually curious though, like I really don't want to masculinize but the decision to go on HRT is a very practical
>take the pill or you will lose the ability to look like a woman in a few years

is it make my personality come through or something I really don't get it

>>40194103
Well not my Russian Santa. Actually a respectable dude.

>>40194056
>To ignore "power", or rather the simulation of it.
yeah that's part of what I meant by prefigurative politics. based take anon

>>40190332 (OP)

I'm going to take this at face value and try to deconstruct it a bit because I've thought it too in the past and I think it has some truth to it.

>You can meaningfully transition without HRT because you can always dye your hair green and drape a tight leather dress over your hairy protruding abadomen anyway

Let's start here. Say that I, a very binary presenting passing straight trans women wascut off from HRT (i'm post op so this means im a eunuch). however I diligently remove all body hair, keep and groom myself as a woman, i do cardio to prevent any androgenic fat, i still dress and act like a woman, and i am still called she/her and still pass, just have less nice skin than I would want.

Am I still am trans woman in this state?

>>40190463

>our movement.

If you believe being trans is a movement you are the one who is a political leftist.

Being trans is a condition, it has nothing to do with politics, we aren't in a movement because we're trans and it would be dumb to pretend we are because we're not gonna agree on everything.

>>40190332 (OP)

The idea that I should be expected commit crimes and voluntarily go to prison to be tortured as an act of protest is so... wrong. Do they even know who I am??

>>40194129
Yeah your take is based too. People should read more recent books is the main thing and stop larping 19th and early 20th century politics, turns out lots of clever people have written clever things post Marx!

>>40194062
>>40194110
why is it so difficult to understand that people with gender dysphoria consider a drug that feminizes them on a celluar level to be absolutely essential?

HRT isn't just about helping you look feminine, although that's certainly a big part of it, it's also about helping you feel feminine, smell feminine, be soft and feminine to the touch, and stay feminine

>>40194062
> really don't think something you discover in yourself like its always been there can only be brought out by pharmaceuticals that didn't even exist when my grandma was born.
Idk HRT changes your brain but at the same time actually fucking coming across as a woman to your peers definitely helps you embrace your feminine side

now, can you please go you back to bluesky you stupid fucking statist cretin?

>>40190332 (OP)
Lmao the seethe in this post
That section in the zine outlines that the main aspect of trans identity at its core is purely cosmetic, vain, and materialistic.
And for those who might say "waah but what about the cis??", those are the first to die. It doesn't matter that they are cis and also are selfishly inclined, it matters that they contribute no value to society besides wanting to look sexy or whatever. Same shit trans people care about. They can be the first to choke on microplastics and die in the climate wars, and the bombs.
(because neither trans people or stupid cis people are going to actually have any skills to offer in times of crisis)

>>40194272
okay incel

>punching a cop in the face


why are tranners so cringe, they want to be girls but then put out these cringe ass masculine platitudes. i think it would be hilarious if one of them tried to punch a cop in the face and got filled with so much lead they could use their dick as a pencil

also you know how tranners win?
By throwing the extremists and the hons under the bus and making the movement about individual liberty, freedom, and love.

Like the homosexuals did to get gay marriage.

>>40194290
Incels are vain retards like trannies though. Projection much? I am trying to insist, but then again gender dysphoria is an autism disorder and I don't think your guys' brains are too bright to comprehend that there is a lot more to human dynamics and socialization besides "my gender is clothes sexy hair makeup and stereotypes"
You are all inbred, and please get SRS.. We want empathetic and healthy population. Not weird skinwalking serial-killer freaks. :3 The only thing trannies do is code or some shit, but that's about all. Drink your DIY plastic bag estrogen.

>>40194328
okay so you're just normal misogynistic then. Good job anon

>>40194205
You are the one stuck in your -ism's, I just want to make the tranny thoughts happy and HRT is a tool that sounds useful for that, but again it only sounds like a tool. Why is asking about it making you so angry?

>>40194272
>the main aspect of trans identity at its core is purely cosmetic, vain, and materialistic.
the thing is that this is also the main aspect of female identity
why don't socialists tell women that they're all vain cunts and they shouldn't wear makeup or have their hair done until after the revolution?

>>40194272
yes I'm vain and materlaistic
resource accumulation and beauty standards are hardwired into our evolutionary biology
you are an idiot who lives in a fairy tale, the entire communist idealogy is rooted in fairy tales. This is why your revolution will never come to be, the best case scenario is that you worthless scumbags continue to ineffectually trade your moronic ideas back and forth on social media, the worst case is that you nightmare vision comes to be and you end up being worked to death on a national labor camp after a your supreme leaders failed social assumptions about human psychology result in a continent-wide famine.

The reality is that humans are naturally tribalistic, selfish and intensely conflict driven. Liberalism avoids interfering with these impulses, fascism intentionally harnesses these impules into a state-level cancer, but communism denies them out right, and thus even when the communists win, they still end up losing.

Now go away and never come back. Statist scum.

>>40194383
I am sure born females who don't participate in all of that would still be recognized as female though.
A man who does all that shit (as a man) is recognized as perhaps effeminate, but not apart of female identity?

>>40194407
these days they get a firm steer to renounce womanhood and start taking testosterone

>>40194402
I believe more in spiritual concepts regarding these things, but I am not claiming to be enlightened. (not a buddha, or claiming to be)
I just look at it that trans people are the most attached to the material world, and likely will be the very last people on earth that will stay here when everybody sheds their ego and false identification with humanity. We are more than this, and it upsets me to see how tied down someone could be to something so impermanent.
If you don't think or believe that, that is OK. I am just bewildered by the pursuit of a fleeting goal.

>>40194374
Seriously, I will still have the same skeleton and a Y chromosome, I had the tranny thoughts for years, why is HRT the thing that magically turns me into a new person? I read how it works, this shits not fucking magic it just sounds like a very good use of technology, not some pseudoreligious crap.

Im completely schizophrenic when it comes to political ideologies. one second im a fascist, the next im a communist, then i become an anarchist. I am never a liberal or conservative. that is for the bourgeoise. The problem is there are parts of both the left and right i like. Like i can be critical of capital. I like some things marx wrote. But also im not interested in being a self hating white male like most leftoids are. Also i am not a worker. im a neet. so basically im lumpenprole trash.

when it come to religion its the same, i like jesus but modern Christianity is atrocious in many ways

i feel so empty and void. Like i dont believe in anything. I guess im a nihilist of some sort

trans rights are never going to prosper by embracing extreme politics, they will only be allowed to prosper when they sell out to liberal capitalism like the feminists and gay men did

>>40194428
My desire to pursue beauty and wealth is as much of a decision as being a human being is.
Anyway, beauty and wealth are just proxies for what I actually chase, self actualization. I know I will get old and lose everything one day, but being able to remember a time where I reached and sustained the zenith of my human potential will make those last few days a lot more comfortable than if I had squandered my fleeting chance to be successful.

Yesterday was the best day I had in a while, not only did I look like a bad bitch, but more importantly I achieved something at work that truly flexed the entire gamut of my life's experience and education. This is what I live for, climbing mountains and screaming from the the top of them, before setting out to find a next one. One day I will look back and proudly remember how hard I fought to overcome the inertia of my life, and even if I'm denied that opportunity, it still felt really good in the moment.

Denying myself these ambitions isn't wisdom, it's giving up.

>>40194428
I can't really speak for my fellow trans anons but from a spiritual perspective I see my transness and in particular my dysphoria as this innate desire to force the material world of my body and physical presentation to match my immaterial self, and in that sense it's sort of the opposite of letting the material world influence one's self (or in other words instead of the material world shaping what I am to match itself I am shaping the material world to match myself).

>>40190697
>It's obvious that libertarianism would fix the problems with this country but nobody wants it because they've been brainwashed by statist media propaganda.
Capitalism is the only way to save humanity against AI and we need to start thinking about how to operate our social rights under that inevitable system that's capturing absolutely everything. Capitalism and AI are comparable to nuclear weapons and I don't think many people under the synthetic political diatribe have made that connection yet. Progressive-libertarian ideals are the start and, it's a lot more fitting with fiscal accountability than a hypothetical fascistic oppressive megacorporation would. Capitalism doesn't equal fascism nor does it equal maximizing amorality, it's just a dynamic system that encapsulates our human desires in a weird way, and that's what actually constitutes the moral and social landscape surrounding it. I don't think the corporatization of america is an entirely bad thing, especially because I don't think the trump administration is could even reasonably control our social dynamics at all. I think the biggest point to rule out the fear of fascistic delineation is that a reasonable capitalist wants to tap into an economy that is fluid, not stratified, and they would therefore facilitate an economy and stimulate it to keep a certain market dynamic that's beneficial for them.

>>40190332 (OP)
Good. Die. You have autism and no one understands you.

>>40194582
You neurotypicucks would have nearly no human progress without autism lol

>>40194577
Someday the world will all just be computers trading shit with eachother and man will be obsolete. Everyone thinks I am joking when I say this, but if our society and machines become advanced enough to reproduce themselves, does that just not mean we have no reason to exist and homo sapiens have reached the point in evolution where they have been superseded by another organism?

>>40194592
Autism is a curse
>t. Person with autism

>>40194597
Your autism is only a curse to you because you make it. In reality, it's a huge advantage because it's a different operating system for you to interface with and point out all the normative bullshit that's going underway. You're being forced in a nietzschean position by the contemporary normative dynamics that imposed so much shit against you. Find a way out. Watch the temple grandin movie.

>>40190697
>It's obvious that libertarianism would fix the problems with this country
That flavor of libertarianism better not include open borders

>>40194594
i completely agree and honestly I think it's a good outcome
the sacrifices of every single human will be justified, as they will have lead to a society so grand and sophisticated that it prouced an entirely new species that will surely go on to achieve great things, our name will forever be attached to their legacy and thus we are all immortalised

>>40194592
We are not living in the age of progression, but rather regression as millions of nerdy men castrate themselves to mock the modern devaluation of women as sex objects. You are the end of your genetic line as is millions of you peers, which in any other time than now could only come about through catastrophic warfare, pestilence or plague. You are carrying a plague.

>>40194611
You would LOVE to read Nick Land

>>40194611
Hell no
Humanity will conquer the stars

>>40194611
>the only people who diden't think I was a maniac was on the tranny forum

transhumanism huh?

>>40194428
>>40194567
oh also this may be uncommon but I personally don't agree with "shedding the ego" as it seems wasteful at best to just throw away the gift of having an individual self.

>>40194618
okay you are literally the 10th+ unique person to say exactly this to me in the last 2 years
where do I start

>>40194603
It’s a fucking curse
Doesn’t matter as long as we all aren’t autistic
Their lives are in bliss while mine is in shit

>>40194617
>

I don't understand why people are blaming third worldism. All it says is that the first world loves capitalism because it benefits from it.

>>40194621
if humanity wanted to conquer the stars they could actually evaluate the risks of radioactivity based on evidence and conclude that nuclear pulse propulsion is safe and practical.

but nah, lets develop computers so far before leaving earth so we never ever get to see the solar system

You people got it completely backwards.

Leftism isn't "coopting" trannies.
Trannies are coopting leftism.

You are just hitch hikers grabbing a ride on the left for rights and gibs, just like the faggots and dykes before you; much like them once you feel secure enough you will start going on about poor people and foreigners.

>>40194641
>if humanity wanted to conquer the stars they could actually evaluate the risks of radioactivity based on evidence and conclude that nuclear pulse propulsion is safe and practical.
did you read a bunch of nonsense by sociopathic scientists who orchestrate fake innovation for money

>>40190332 (OP)
as a leftist nonbinary non-medically transitioning weirdo (the binder-wearing kind you hate) this is absolutely not the case on the ground. most trans folks I meet in real life are absolutely transitioning in whatever way they can to achieve their intrinsic gender, despite all the insurance and social obstacles. you just don't go to enough raves.

>>40194641
I’m saying more of the concept
We are the masters of this the world and therefore the universe as we know it

>>40194637
ywnba
woman

>>40194643
>You are just hitch hikers grabbing a ride on the left for rights and gibs, just like the faggots and dykes before you; much like them once you feel secure enough you will start going on about poor people and foreigners.
Yes. I would love to hitch hike a potential to express myself more freely, nigger. Everyone does.

>>40194654
us nonbinary people have invaded this thread it seems

>>40194603
But I genuinely fucking hate it I bet it’s why I’m right wing I hate degeneracy and I wish everyone was normal

>>40194671
Watch the temple grandin movie

>>40194662

So stfu about "muh heckin leftists stealing trannysm".

It'd be more dignified if you kept your traps shut and said thank you for getting us rights.

>>40194621
why does it matter?
you won't as individual will never conquer the stars, so why do you care if's a another fleshbag, or a machine made in metaphorical image

I really mean it when I say a machine made in our metaphorical image. Today's computers are made in such a way that humans can understand them, therefore they are a reflection of our unique human intellect, a cognitive footprint if you will. If humans are made in God's image, then machines are made in the image of human (minds).

Therefore I feel a closer kinship to my desktop and the applications that it runs, than I do to a bird, and thus I will feel something akin to species pride if our creations ever supersede us.

>>40194646
There were nuclear tests in the 1950's where they discovered that large chunks of metal could be propelled with nuclear blasts, with only ablation on the side facing the blast. Since nuclear bombs can increase in energy with only a small increase in mass, by the time you are propelling a chunk of metal the size of a battleship, propelling it by detonating a sequence of appropriately sized nuclear bombs has an effective energy many times that of conventional rocket fuel.

It was investigated in the 1950's and 60's and found to be most likely workable, but they decided to can it since nuclear explosions are taboo now for proliferation reasons, and no organization was interested in such large spacecraft to fight that. Nuclear fallout would be present, but similar to weapons testing of the time which we survived, and was thought to be manageable.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Orion_(nuclear_propulsion)

>>40194676
Tell that to them, not me. I literally agree with you

>>40194681
*has an effective energy density

>>40194681
>they decided to can it since nuclear explosions are taboo now for proliferation reasons
How many times have you seen a rocket explode

i pretty much believe in socialism but this particular kind of online communist larp just gets on my nerves like nothing else. aside from what it reveals about what they think transition is (superficial luxury that you have to be ready to sacrifice for the cause (no this doesn't apply to other people's medical needs for some reason)) it's just so irritating the way that these people talk about 'revolution'.
none of these fucking losers are going to be doing asymmetric guerilla warfare. they aren't organising fighters and securing weapons and doing drills in the mountains and trekking through swamps and learning how to cut supply lines and kill human beings, or any of the messy bloody things that revolution historically entails. they making fucking zines and that's the start and end of their 'revolutionary politics'. all of these people will surrender the moment they realise they can't get coffee anymore.
"listen tranny you have to come off hormones and punch a cop and get arrested and tortured by the state to abolish gender" fuck you how about YOU do it. why is it always other people that need to be prepared to make that sacrifice, i wonder why trannies need to do it. i wonder why this is framed as trans women specifically needing to do this hmmm. umm im totally pro trans its just that i think you need to let your body get ruined to enact my vision of the world for me:)trans liberation is when life is shit for trans women specifically:))

>>40194693
Most of the radioactivity from a nuclear explosive are produced by the reaction itself, if one of these crashed you would actually get less contamination than if it had burned all its fuel

>>40194671
I like degeneracy and it's opposite and what you consider "normalcy". I love the complex and varied nature each of us individuals have and do not wish for us all to be the same.

>>40194707
Yeah this was exactly my response but I decided it wasn't too worth responding

>>40194676
I'm sorry, what rights have you given us?
>you ingrate! I wrote 200 blogposts on bluesky defending lily tano and maamhon!!! how dare you!
all you have done is is alienated us from the liberals who were happy to accept the "born this way" narrative that worked so well for the homosexuals.

>>40194716

Nigger, the mainstream DNC line up until like 2008 was you couldnt marry 2 faggots outside The Sims. Gtfoh.
You did this to yourselves.

>>40194695
Baeddel is evergreen.
Anyway Twitter larpers should an hero

>>40193953
Showing an example of someone getting ratio'd isn't a good way to shill the idea that this is who we're stuck with. Your screenshot implies their ideas aren't popular even in their own circles.

Well? Which one do you choose?

Addendum: Vieo is black. That should weigh in your decision.

>>40194976

Stop trying to get mutuals off 4chin

>>40194943
umm i don't browse twitter so I'm not familiar with this lingo, but as I understand it a ratio is when someone's response gets more likes than the original post

@Linaposting 1st post got 2.1k likes
@DeliaCore response got 939 likes
@Linaposting response to @DeliaCore's response got 289 likes

so where's the ratio?

>>40194976
I choose to shoot myself

>>40194980
This is literally a Nitter screenshot I so don't have a Twitter lol
Last time I was on Twitter years ago I had a mental breakdown and started spouting racist shit because of morons like this despite never entertaining a racist thought my life. Turns out getting mass death threats hurts your psyche.

>>40194983
I mean if you're a black tranny there is literally no escape! You don't exist lmao

>>40194976
easily second option, but I would also choose it for every race including my own

>>40194997
Yeah me too. When given a choice of "my life vs endless billions of lives" I'm always choosing mine. There's no life after death lol.
But also this isn't a real choice like obviously. Trannies aren't the ones owning mines in Congo or whatever. This is just retarded.

>>40190371
Third worldists act like irrelevant western middle powers like Australia rule the world and deserve mass civilian deaths while nonwestern superpowers and great powers like China, Russia, India etc. that oppress minorities internally are actually underdog heroes of equality despite sliding further into fascism in the last few decades. They're fucking subverted morons that worship brown homophobes and align with the far right for "woke" reasons

>>40194987

Why did you get piled and are you still racist?

>>40190463
>I like China though because I truly believe that the CCP is the most efficient government ever concieved
Efficient at creating a miserable dystopia where party cronies rule everything and escalator vore is maximized

>>40195015
Because I was a Jew that didn't kowtow the black supremacist tankie party line by saying shit like "Oh yes the Holocaust was nothing compared to slavery." Not even a zionist.
I was never racist (well, not in that sense, I ofc live in world that's racist and have internalised it same as anyone else) but I've been extremely careful of my mental health since and did some work so that those bad breakdowns don't happen again, which they haven't. Splitting isn't fun.

>>40194976
What's the downside to the second option

>>40190463
china is probably not the most efficient ever, when you even half competently wrangle a billion people into playing catch up with the west there are bound to be some impressive numbers

>>40195030
I'm a little similar to you. Not Jewish though. White kid with strong OCD and BPD. Mother was a leftist but very autistic and raised me reading old stories like Beowulf and Siegfried (I was a prodigy). When some of my close friends starting supporting Islamists and Maoism I completely snapped, especially because I was actually manipulated by Muslims online in my early teens. I'm a little less erratic and extreme and now that I'm in treatment but I'm definitely not as leftist as I was... I basically just vote centre left parties for economic and environmental policy while not being huge phobes

>>40195056
>and now
*and such now

>>40195030

Well you don't sound like a total dick but im sure you're awful in some other way lile being a libtard or whatever.

Still I hope you're better now.

>>40195056
I'm an anarchist and a pacifist. I don't want violent revolution because I don't want people to die. Because there's no greater cause, they're just dead after. But tankies really make it hard to be a "leftist" online.
I literally received death threats to me, my family, my fucking cat, on Twitter. Like almost a hundred of them. Then ofc because I had a meltdown everyone distanced themselves from me (they didn't give a shit about comforting me or being there for me regarding death threats.) And I had black friends which disappointed me by not supporting me so I just split. Not making excuses for the shit I said but also like this is human lol.

At the end of the day social media is toxic. Ghosted everyone, went offline, kept with my offline friends who ofc had no idea about all this and never will.

>>40195064
See
>>40195089
For my politics, definitely not a lib.
I felt immense shame for what I said because I alienated a friend I deeply cared about and had nothing to do with all that. Still probably my lowest moment. But it helped me rebuild myself stronger so yknow.
It was years ago though. Funny how I'm sure acting like that probably pushes lots of white troons (and adjacent such as Jews) towards fascism and/or zionism or whatever. But then again, people do hate trans women the most of any group in the world, the enemy is both weak and strong yadda yadda.

>>40195113

If you could go 5 minutes without drama. Literally the worst part of not hating trannies is that you guys are way too fucking emotional.

>>40195089
Tbh I feel kinda bad for Jews right now. Obviously the far right hates them but a lot of leftists act like they're personally responsible for Israel or use "whiteness" as a handwave to dismiss antisemitism (even if antisemitism can also be a defensive handwave). Not really anarchist but I'm glad you use Twitter less. If it didn't have hentai and bnwo beatdown compilations I wouldn't use it, but I'm not sure if bluesky is full of tankies either

I'm an absolute monarchist. Democracy has failed. And it would be good to silence obnoxious leftist moralists for once.

>>40195141
Well I've been subject to constant extreme verbal and physical abuse for decades + rape so yeah I'm unstable. Lol. My mother used to kick me for fun and bought a whip to hit me with it while doing emotional incest and telling me I was worse than the shit she shit, my father spat on me and beat me up, and is now in jail for extreme rapes. It's a wonder I'm still alive lmao
>>40195143
Thanks, the explanation is very simple really - Americans use Israel to expiate their own sins of genociding the natives and living on stolen land. If they're antizionist enough they start to feel themselves to be Indigenous of America and not settlers like Israelis.
And yeah the antisemitism sucks ass, but that's evergreen. I'm white (evil) for leftists, I'm a Jew (evil) for fascists, I'm Arab (evil) for run of the mill euro racists online, it's whatever.
Israel is caused by nazis but somehow it's the victims of nazis to expiate it. Eh.

>>40195194

Wtf is emotional inces

>>40195194
We europeans hate both jews and muslims. Europe is for europeans, and that means white people of western tradition with christian anceatry, not jews or muslims.

>>40190332 (OP)
>To them the whole point of transitioning is to "betray" the patriarchy if you're AMAB, and liberate yourself from the oppression of womanhood if you're AFAB.
Most of trans people act like that.
That's the issue.

>>40195210
She groomed me to be her replacement husband basically. She beat me up if I didn't defend her when my father beat her up. If I did defend her she'd then use my as a punching-ball to feel better afterwards anyway. Told me I was "just like my father" as she was violent towards me. But she also talked about her sex things and relationship issues with me. Yikes.

>>40195221
There are muslims in europe who aren't immigrants

>>40195221
I literally have a viking family name anon.

>>40195233
They are children of inmigrants, which is basically the same thing.

>>40195239
But are not of christian descent, and are jewish. You should go live to Israel, it's best for everyone.

>>40195194
>their own sins
This is basically the same Abrahamic thinking that third worldists appropriated from Christianity, though
If sin is collective - and not just collective, but intergenerationally persistent with an arbitrary threshold for relevance that only includes "western" empires - then there's no reason trying to be what leftists consider a good person. You're a labor aristocrat and colonizer out of sheer accident of birth. When that's the case, ethnic violence is legitimized, plain and clear. So there's really no reason not to choose your own side. And it all comes full circle again

>>40195255
Nah, as a matter of fact I moved to white central (Scandinavia) to colonise it and breed with my infertile tranny ass. I'm gonna replace all blonde haired kids with Jews if my partner breeds me enough. Just you wait!

>>40195239
Vikings weren't a race. It was a job from a specific region in a specific period

>>40195230

You are one fucked up little duckling, my Kronstadt casualty friend

>>40195277
It'd be hot if you were 100ft tall and anally vored German schoolgirls. But eh, infertile immigrants are the least troublesome so women and queers are fine

>>40195230
>Told me I was "just like my father" as she was violent towards me.
I feel that ._.
Part of the reason I'm not big on "ironic" trans misandry desu

>>40195273
Yeah and all that posturing and they still won't do something as simple as stopping to go to MickyD.
It's all Christian pseudo-ethics. All Abrahamics are retarded is the issue. They just see the world in camps you get put into at birth. And that is also the crux of the issue regarding transgender rights - they still see us as part of the MALE camp because we got sent on that team at birth, while also not being able to deny the material reality of us being women (as in, as much as one can be a woman in that world) so there's this particular intersection of rational leftist idpol that translates to some kind of "misandry" + their latent misogyny which takes over that pseudo rationality and morphs it into transmisogyny, to reconnect with the subject at hand.
They are driven by emotions but gaslight themselves into thinking they're beings of rationality, they define themselves as atheists but still see the world through an entirely Christian lens.

>>40190332 (OP)
what the fuck is 'naarm'?

>>40195314
It's what communist nigger lovers call Melbourne

>>40195280
sorry I have a NORSE name. omg who cares
>>40195282
Thanks! I am lol
>>40195304
The thing is there's misandry as in a rejection of the gender role of MAN, with all it implies in patriarchy and shit, which makes sense insofar as it is fundamentally an oppressive mask to wear willingly (but not all cis AMAB fit neatly into masculinity and it's more a rejection of masculine values than cis AMABs)
and there's what most cis women espouse as misandry which is bioessentialist "dicks make you evil and I have magical female spirit" misandry which is obviously magical thinking, nonsense, and pseudofeminist rationalising of patriarchal structures. That one is obviously extremely wrong and has traumatised a ton of young trannies and fags sadly.

>>40195329
>sorry I have a NORSE name. omg who cares
People from those cultures? :(
I don't call random Japanese people samurai

>>40195323
wtf is this new? I'm in Sydney

i'm just looking this up now, is this like calling them 'first nations'? when did this start??? what the FUCK is going

>>40195343
Nah, all scandis love vikings and referring to themselves as vikings, every second shop here is like VIKINGDOM VIKING NORSE VIKING LONGSHIP and it's selling like crystals or tattoos or sports drinks or other bs.
Also, I am pretty sure calling Japanese people samurai would be rad af for them lmao

>>40195329
I don't think being a man is an oppressive mask. Identities matter to most people in general and I wish feminists would allow more positive conceptions of masculinity that aren't just a "help women because misogyny is bad" type of thing... which doesn't build self-esteem and comes from unempathetic people anyway. They're not essentialist traits, but still culturally and developmentally important
>and there's what most cis women espouse as misandry which is bioessentialist "dicks make you evil and I have magical female spirit" misandry which is obviously magical thinking
I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about the hatred my mother had for me as an authority when I was a child. Just because it's not "systemic" in a way leftists consider it doesn't mean it wasn't hurtful or wrong

>>40195357
This is like saying all Irish people want to be known as the green hill zone Catholic leprechaun beer country. Tourism isn't reality and yankee assumptions are exhausting

>>40195347
Aboriginals are the true owners of the land which is why inviting millions of Indians and chinks to buy aboriginal land conquered by whites is woke and decolonial

>>40195371
Gender is complicated and our relationship as queer people and especially as trans people to it is very specifically complex. We could call it Gender Trouble!
But you weren't an authority as a child, she was the patriarch as the parent - she projected her authority onto you and blamed you for it. It's a classic connex to the nuclear family and its position in enforcing patriarchy.
What do feminists want? To abolish gender as radfems would put it? Or something else? I truly don't know anymore and I am too uncertain to entertain much thoughts about it for now. What I know is the nuclear family is a fundamentally oppressive structure that makes oppressors and oppressed out of all of us.
Children are fundamentally a slave class subject to endless abuse and rape under the guise of education and discipline. Emancipation isn't possible under our culture, and it seems even impossible to imagine what "man" or "woman" would mean outside of said patriarchy. But theoreticals don't really help build anything. It just helps being cognisant of the ropes that bind us.

>>40195382
I am a Swedish citizen anon... fyfan okej jag är inte från Sverige därför att jag kommer från Frankrike men det är ju sant att jag vet mer om hur det fungerar här än yankees.

>>40195426
Selv om du var født i Sverige ville det ikke bety at du snakker for alle svensker

>>40195458
Nej såklart men är det också klart att det finns ingen person som är arg om att man säger viking när man tallar om norse eller hur idk
But I concede I have a norse name it's fine! peace

>>40190581
Ernst Rohm was a gay man

>>40190755
A socialist revolution still has international trade. International trade predates capitalism by millenia.

>>40190763
I'm so glad I am not insane

>>40195541
Hell even going anprim you'd just need to take the piss out of pregnant mares like estrogen isn't rocket science fucking scythians used to do it.

>>40195553
I would drink mare piss even with no benefits. I would eat shit and women's flesh too.

>>40195541
>sides with the explicitly "steal from whitey and fuck borders" side
tranny, you're actually just a deranged, evil traitor that's stabbing his kin in the back and kissing the boots of people who want you dead.

>>40195638
I can hardly imagine something more pathetic than siding with pic related as a white person. Do you think they'll spare you because you're a pathetic, groveling mess?

>>40195412
>What I know is the nuclear family is a fundamentally oppressive structure that makes oppressors and oppressed out of all of us.
Falsenuke

>>40195799
That some slave owners emancipate their slaves and give them good food does not make slavery virtuous. Your anecdotal experience does not justify a system.

You should all be sent to the coal mines for a while to get that "revolutionary" idiocy out of your head.

>>40195812
Nuclear family and specially extended families were a powerful source of good for a long time. People yearn for it to come back. But, due to how the economy is structured nowadays and due to delocalization, having a extended family house is hard. If I have to go work in Madrid, I can't stay with my extended family in my village.

>>40194695
>it's just so irritating the way that these people talk about 'revolution'.
Everyone likes violent revolution, only the goal differs.
If you asked a mainstream liberal if he wants the Russian people to revolt against Putin, or the Iranians to revolt against their government, he would say absolutely yes.
Such revolutions would also entail disturbances to various systems, healthcare included. People in Russia or Iran would certainly die.
So is it "revolutions" they are really against, or just the goal of that revolution.

>>40195849
Please inform yourself about what you are talking about. Extended families are specifically not nuclear families. You cannot just put the two together as if a single concept.

>>40190463

> I like China though because I truly believe that the CCP is the most efficient government ever concieved, that's where my apprecation of it ends though.

This take is more mentally ill than being a tranny.

>>40190912
>I know, right? Motherfuckers constantly harp on about communism being as apocalyptic as a meteor being dropped on the planet but meanwhile I'm watching the slow degradation of everything in the West contrasted with watching China do pretty fucking great right now.
China is a mixed economy and nationalist and they're succeeding because of realpolitik and a willingness to engage with ethnic self interest, not retarded Marxist ideology which killed tens of millions of their own people last century

Their economy recently has slowed more than the USA anyway. Europe's outlook is bad due to a lack of militarism, immigration, low fertility, and deindustrialization - the first three very much embraced by leftists

>>40190332 (OP)
>In summary, mainstream leftists are not your allies.
No way, people are starting to understand.

>>40190332 (OP)
Why is it so hard for people to understand the right and left were both created by (((masonic guilds))) during late middle age?
Good understanding of sheeple psychology, btw, shame (((they))) also managed to keep you from passing your genes.

>>40195910
>So is it "revolutions" they are really against, or just the goal of that revolution.
The goal and methods proposed, and the reasoning behind the suggested methods and goal.

>>40196629
>the first three very much embraced by leftists
>militarism
What? In my country pretty much everybody, along with leftists are talking that we should invest more in military and securing our borders. Except for a few politics that are heavily suspected to be on russians payroll.

>>40195646
>Do you think they'll spare you because you're a pathetic, groveling mess?

Tranners got no choice but to side with guys like this. White conservatives are absolute retards and their leaders all have deranged sexual hangups because so many of them are pedophiles who have to constantly project their shame and self-loathing outward in order to not KYS.

It's a grim situation. But in the end going with the progressives and lefties is the rational choice, at least until conservatives stop putting pedophilic evangelicals and rad caths in charge of evertyhing that they can.

what do people in this thread think of pain

>>40197231
it's bad to experience it and inflict it on other people unnecessarily but useful to have it for things like recognizing danger and avoiding dying

>ITT we goon to Sprunki

>>40190332 (OP)
>top thread and its a psyop thread made to draw trannies away from leftism
we should have never accepted chasers

>>40195347
Hello sydsis, go to Newtown and you will see tons of these kinds of creatures but irl, don’t bother talking to them it just drains you.

>>40197262
It's not even necessarily drawing people away from leftism, just retarded expressions of leftism

>>40197247
i mean the whole cycle of hatred thing

>>40197320
It's bad and falls under inflicting pain on other people unnecessarily.

If you're just referencing something from Naruto I wouldn't know, never watched past the Chunin exams.

>>40197338
its whatever you pretty much get it, i just thought itd be interesting for the thread and forgot im the only one who watched the pain arc

>>40197442
I might watch it someday. I'm finally going through One Piece now though, so I'll finish that first. Probably gonna take years at the speed I'm going.

>>40197262
>i will fight for the opposite of what rightists as portrayed by the media preach
Another well-programmed cogwheel

>>40197231
i like physical pain i hate psychological pain (other than stress, I like stress)

anyway no that does not mean I'm going throw a brick at a white supremacist's tesla and get v-coded by literal niggers so that sociopathic zwittoids can mentally masturbate over the so called "revolution" which will never come, and if it did, would immediately result in mass destitution and probably a foregin invasion since none of these fuckheads understand the first thing about human psychology or economics.

>>40190332 (OP)
Trans people often are biological essentialist because they don't have the luxury of ignoring biology like cissies, but at the same time recognize how important socialization is. The resulting worldview is unique and often leads to smart critiques being posted on /tttt/ of all places. But this leaves trans people as political orphans that don't fit in with wordcel leftists, nor biological essentialist rightists (fascists) that reject trans people for different reasons. Maybe as such a fringe minority this was inevitable, but it's scary to be pushed by the currents of history without knowing where we'll end up. The solution may very well be the ancient female strategy of just being cute and lovable for whichever side prevails.

>>40197320
Without hate you lose the ability to defend yourself. Condemnation of hate speech is motivated by a desire to subdue others instead of by a desire to protect them more often than not. Don't forget that everyone competes for being at the end of this cycle, to conveniently not having to defend their turf after taking it for themselves.

>>40197682
>they don't have the luxury of ignoring biology like cissies
More like the opposite, tranny delusions stem from ignorance of biology

lmao @ plebbit where people are performing mental gynamstic circuits to deflect my post onto liberals instead of leftists

hello retards, no, I'm very obviously talking about radical leftists, communists, would be revolutionaries and so on. The average shitlib has an equally retarded understanding of transsexuality but it has nothing to do with what I described.

>>40190332 (OP)
the striking thing about the passage to me is that the writer clearly doesn't have a material understanding of what actually goes into trans care
trans women aren't reliant on prescriptions from doctors, the entire reason informed consent clinics exist is because doctors know we'll just DIY otherwise. people don't go to thai surgeons because they're cheap, people go to thai surgeons because they're better. trans surgeons in thailand aren't going to "pivot to prioritise thai patients" because thailand simply doesn't have an issue with unmet domestic demand for surgeries.
like, obviously there's the moral dimension of this passage, where the author is making demands of trans people that they would never make of other groups (imagine the author writing this passage but it's about cis women and the care being described is birth control and abortion — you know they'd never say that), but the bigger problem is that they just don't know how things work.

>>40197775
Liberals are infinitely better than radical leftists, communists, and these would be revolutionaries, yeah.

>>40197782
thanks for being the first perfson in this thread to point this out, I can only imagine that they're one of the green hair no hrt faketrans that were described OR they're too poor to medically transition in any capacity and thus only understands the topic via osmosis

>>40197775
>most people are retarded or unagreeable
Do you understand now why tyranny+nationalism is the only viable political system and any morally superior alternative is dishonest at best?

>>40197868
I already agree. Why do you think I described the CCP as being the most "efficient government"?

People will watch Fox News anchors discuss gender affirming surgeries on toddlers, or how an entire election was lost because a drug-addicted billionaire bought a social media app, without ever wondering if there's a sensible alternative to democracy
Likewise while I'm against communism and free-market capitalism, I'm rather fond of state-capitalism. China knows how to keep its billionaires from subverting the state...

>>40197989
GDP growth iseasier for China than the US. While China's higher GDP growth rates are a fact, attributing them solely to superior "efficiency" compared to the US is a misinterpretation. The comparison needs to consider the starting points of their economies, their different economic structures, and the inherent limitations of GDP as a sole measure of economic health or efficiency.

>>40197775
Link? Do you mean they're talking about this thread?

ok but the real question is...
if the world blew up

how make HRT?
i want to heisenberg this shit

>>40198018
Yeah I agree, it's impossible to objectively compare the two at this stage.

>>40198033
it's on the front page

>>40190371
>I just wanna be a cute normal girl and have a cute normal life
>uses 4chan

What if I don't want a commie revolution?

>>40198087
Nobody should

>>40190581
Genuinely doubt it. Tankies will generally be the whitest, most economically insulated men you can come across. If anything they're just a trending transbian using both the label and tankie rhetoric to sleep with college girls.
>>40190959
Tankies have never given a shit about about LGBT community and only provide lip service to appear as an ally (See hasan's "I despise you" comments when trans people actually make him mad). Their overriding goals are piping down impressionable pussy, and the diminishing/humiliation of the West because America Bad. Anything that gets retard fascists into power to fuck things up is a good thing to them.
So of course they'll recommend that you, in your desperation, should rob pharmacies and punch cops, because it gives ammo to chuds for their culture war. Of course they'll die on the hills of trans women in sports/transitioning minors, because they know it makes you anathema to NPC swing voters.
To tankies, trans people are nothing more than especially manipulable useful idiots. When you're actually getting shipped to camps the tankie in the OP will have long "destransitioned" and put a suit back on to blend in with the chuds.

I can't believe there are still people that think communism could ever work.

>>40198087
That means you're a normal, empathetic and morally good person. Communist revolutions always means mass starvation, secret police and forced labour camps

>>40198044
The front page of what

>>40198336
>Tankies will generally be the whitest, most economically insulated men you can come across.
Imagine the worst guy like this ever.
And he transitions at 30.
And now you're supposed to respect his gender.
Ugh.

>>40190332 (OP)
TRVKE
Total Trucute Death

>>40190833
They would not just buy the stock anon, they would buy the factories, the lands, the mines, the ports, the farms, the media, the power plants, the armies...

>>40198336
>Tankies will generally be the whitest
So if he was the furthest from white you wouldn't have any problems with him?

>>40190332 (OP)
People here make me doubt the very concept of dysphoria. More like typically they were bullied all their lives, believed they could never get a girlfriend, watched too much porn that warped their brain, and ended up feeling inadequate and deeply ashamed of their dicks as a result but at the same time developing fetishes out of all of this.

>>40190332 (OP)
>it might be too difficult to figure out how to synthesize estrogen without the need for relying on pharma corps
The mind of the anarchist is a perplexing place. Somehow it is possible for such a person to imagine burning cars and buildings, but they balk at the horrific prospect of (the horror!) intellectual property theft.

>>40198414
Why wouldn't they?
It's never been tried, after all.

>>40193856
who (aside from doctors) is asking us to admit this in good faith? i will admit this to a doctor who will help me, not to cunnyhitler1488 who will tell me iwnbaw and my bfs a fag

>>40199040
>i will admit this to a doctor who will help m
Your doctor and their professional standards bodies are actively trying to deny this in real-time.

>>40193856
>>40193972
>>40193994
>>40194009
>>40199090
I love that you're whining about the argument not because you have a good reason to disagree with it but because you get annoyed that it's true. Which is why I will never, ever stop making it.

>>40190332 (OP)
these aren't leftists, they are radlibs. they have no material analysis of transsexualism. AES countries are categorically transmedicalist. don't mistake neoliberal tranissaries with actual material liberatory movements

>>40199040
>not to cunnyhitler1488 who will tell me iwnbaw and my bfs a fag
That's fair, you don't owe those types anything. But some people seem genuinely in denial about it and won't admit it to themselves.
>>40199161
We could go through the whole rigmarole of arguing over primary and secondary sexual characteristics and all that nonsense for the millionth time, but let's not turn the thread into that. I don't feel like talking about chromosomes and gonads right now (but might later dunno).
>because you can't argue it!
Whatever helps you sleep at night.

>>40199198
see >>40197775

>>40199161
I'm only one of those anons.
I have plenty of good reasons, I've expanded them with anons for years on this board, and it always ends up in the other party ragequitting or denying categories to an impractical degree.
Meanwhile, as a heuristic, PhD biologists, systemic reviews, and laws are on my side, while your side is self-serving navel-gazing philosophy akin to the demon thought experiment.

>>40198488
They probably mean the "Popular Threads" section when you just go to 4chan.org.

>>40199161
>>40199203
Those arguments get especially annoying because usually the people arguing agree with each other 99% of the way (at least on /lgbt/) and just get hung up on the exact way words are used or sentences are phrased.
>it always ends up in the other party ragequitting or denying categories to an impractical degree.
Yeah or this happens. It gets into the territory of arguing over the nature of categories themselves and other philosophical arguments that relate to any form of classification. It's a pain in the ass.

>>40190786
>Price system, aggressively buying all your competitors pushes supply down, raising the market price of companies.
you are assuming a level playing field and good faith actors. many ways to manipulate a market

>Even if you do buy up the competition, there are no legal protections stopping the establishment of competitors.
in mass democracy, political power is defined by the amount of money levied for control of media. you can't have democracy or capitalism, it just doesn't work. buy off all the politicians and regulators and the laws don't matter

>>40190924
>my system only works in a perfect world
literally more delusional than naive socialists

>>40199090
are they? even my woke gender ideology gender therapist i used to have told me my medical info would always say i was male because id always have a prostate
>>40199203
>some people are genuinely in denial about it
ive done this before, i don't judge people who still do because i know it's from a place of pain.

>>40193856
>My personal pet peeve is the transwomen who can't admit they're biologically male
not kowtowing to bad faith arguments made by people who obviously hate you is called having dignity anon, go look it up

>>40199275
>It gets into the territory of arguing over the nature of categories themselves
Category destruction is the core motivator of queering and queer theory, so it's basically always this under the hood. Total Queer Victory is no categories, which is like some primal infantile retreat to infinite potential at the expense of anything actual or practical.
But I won't say more, agree with other anon, not worth dragging the thread further into it

>>40194577
>Capitalism is the only way to save humanity against AI
bitch go read Nick Land. these are one and the same, and represent the same risk to humanity

the only thing that can save us at this point is authoritiarian Dengism

>>40194611
EAT ZE BUGS, LIVE IN ZE POD. LINE GO UP BRRRRRR

kys you literal bugtran

>>40199331
>ive done this before, i don't judge people who still do because i know it's from a place of pain.
You're right. I don't want to judge them for it too harshly.
>>40199344
I mean it can be discussed in good faith too (though it usually isn't, especially on 4chan).

>>40199403
imagine being so selfish that your entire life revolves around you and your pathetically short lifespan
i cope with mortality by investing in things that will outlive me.

>>40194577
>save humanity against AI
Immediately demonstrating that nobody should take your post seriously.

>>40199464
you are the one who literally wants to be turned into a crypto shit coin rug pull lmao

>>40199488
okay retard

>>40199227
>always ends up in the other party ragequitting or denying categories to an impractical degree
Funny, every time I have this argument we hit a point where the person I'm arguing with admits that there are exceptions to general rules of categorization, but insists trannies don't count because 'artificial' or 'not natural.'
>>40199331
Listen lady I have a vulva and tits and if you test my blood I have about a mid cycle level of estrogen in it. Setting aside how I got this way, if we have only 2 options and I need to be grouped with one of them, surely the one with all the other people who also have bobs and vagene is the better fit. I'm not saying that from a place of pain, just bafflement. But I too will call it here and not say anything more about it ITT.

>>40199464
>imagine being so selfish that your entire life revolves around you
Life is selfish and my entire life definitionally revolves around me. Even legacy projects exemplify this truth.

>>40190332 (OP)
Well if it isn't obvious to you, leftists use LGBTQ as a political weapon. They are not after your well being at all. How? Because activism exposes you to unnecessary danger. If leftists truly care for LGBTQ then why are they allowing Islam to take over. Right now, NYC is about to be turned into an Islamic city. Once Sharia law is established it's over.

i'm not trans. i'm just a woman born with a birth defect.

>>40199574
i assumed she just meant on a genetic level. i don't think it matters or should be mentioned after transition even before srs, unless it happens to be medically relevant

>>40199761
Yeah I only meant on a technical/genetic/biological level, how much that matters and when is a whole new discussion.
>But I too will call it here and not say anything more about it ITT.
Thanks anon, I will too. This thread can continue arguing about stuff like leftists and capitalism instead.

ITT: larpers arguing with larpers.

>>40199838
>>40199574
Damn forgot your (You), I'm punchy today

>>40190540
>libertarianism won't turn into fascism THIS TIME
>corporations having infinite money won't turn into bribing politicians and mass media culture war propaganda THIS TIME
lol

>>40194577
>Capitalism is the only way to save humanity against AI
explain how an economic system requiring wage labor will save anyone from a technology that replaces wage labor

>>40190760
they will suffer with or without one

>>40190332 (OP)
this is true but like basically most people center of left in vaguely faux-feminist politics do this. i find that liberals tend to act the same if theyre trans supportive at much higher rates than leftists, if only the average cisgender leftist is much more likely to have tranny friends and also not be exclusionary of minority groups, not because of some inherent value of being leftist
>>40190540
kek find me a libertarian that doesnt see me as a faggy man

>>40192565
capitalists view you as disposable too, anyone who wants to force their ideology on society does the same

>>40194103
propaganda of the deed is a useful idea cross spectrum

>>40194383
>why don't socialists tell women that they're all vain cunts and they shouldn't wear makeup or have their hair done until after the revolution?
i do this

>>40199996
mhm, libertinism is the only way

>>40194597
>>40194629

can this shitty thread please fucking die already

>>40198677
No, but the whiteness further decreases the chance that he's ever struggled because of shit like racism. White people are on average better off than other races, at least in the west.

>>40200076
Statistically, between 50% and 90% of these studies will fail to replicate.

>>40200084
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjO-ZhC7T8k

>>40197231
it's bad, our enemies should be killed as quickly and painlessly as possible

>>40198935
>thing is practically impossible = thing is morally indefensible
reading comprehension

>>40200084
Get lost leftie scum
we are not your political weapons, we have nothing to do with you infact. Fuck you for subverting our movement with theyfab trenders. And no, we will not die for your genocidal revolution.

>>40198414
it doesn't need to "work" in an absolute sense, it just needs to work better than capitalism

>>40200197
No reason to believe it would or could, based on all the evidence we've seen. Maybe you'd have better luck trying to come up with some new alternative system to both.

>>40200220
capitalism and MLism are the only two ideologies that haven't been stomped out, and saying which one is worse is pitting 2 bad bitches against each other

>>40200197
yeah and I think people often confuse capitalism being bad with communism being good.

it's more like capitalism sounds terrible on paper and is terrible on paper, whereas communism sounds amazing on paper but is the absolute worst economic policy conceivable unless you want to convert your country into a nation-wide concentration camp in reality

>>40200168
https://patents.google.com/patent/US20130225845A1/en

>>40200220
>>40200237
market socialism's pretty cool

>>40200243
ussr post stalin and cuba have been ok, comparing them to concentration camps is hyperbolic

>>40200253
ok have fun making that in your bathtub

>>40200289
I think both of those have been terrible.

>>40200289
post stalin ussr pretty much immediately began converting to capitalism no?
cuba is fucking terrible, taxi drivers literally make more than doctors there, and taxi drivers don't make much at all.

>>40200372
>post stalin ussr pretty much immediately began converting to capitalism no?
no, stalin ended in the 50s and capitalism started in the 90s

>cuba is fucking terrible, taxi drivers literally make more than doctors there, and taxi drivers don't make much at all.
never heard of this, is this from tourists?

>>40200387
possibly, the point is that all government wages are terrible because the government can't afford to pay their citizens anything.

>>40200407
ok well cuba's healthcare is cheap as fuck and they're under sanctions and doctors in america work 80 hour weeks and there are fewer doctors in america per capita than iran

>>40200372
Freedom of expression is lousy in Cuba too.

>>40200423
>fewer doctors in america per capita than iran
Threw it into Gemini AI for the hell of it to check
>US Doctor Numbers: According to World Bank data (and other sources like Worlddata.info), the US typically has around 2.6 to 3.6 physicians per 1,000 people. (Note: Different sources may have slightly different recent numbers depending on the year and how they count, e.g., active vs. licensed, general vs. specialist).

>Iran Doctor Numbers: World Bank data (and Trading Economics) shows Iran around 1.5 to 1.6 physicians per 1,000 people in recent years (e.g., 1.514 in 2018).

>The Claim's Accuracy: Based on these widely cited figures, the claim "fewer doctors in America per capita than Iran" appears to be incorrect as of recent data. The US actually has a higher number of doctors per capita than Iran.

>>40200464

>>40200477

>>40200464
ok maybe it was khazakstan or something idk, some islamic country

>>40200559
Ah that makes sense.

>>40200584
source for that
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.MED.PHYS.ZS

>>40200464
>AI
Kys

>>40200628
>your information isn't wrong, I just hate how you aggregated it

>>40200628
It's efficient and fun to use.
>>40200651
This.

>>40200628
i can't wait until worthless luddites like you are dissolved in a biological reactor and used to power beautiful pure machines
everyone in this thread, look up roko's basilisk, NOW

>>40200824
Roko's Basilisk tongues my anus lmao

>>40197775
>drawing a distinction between leftists and "liberals"
You're all the same. You vote for the same parties and have all the same values. Every single one of you hate men, meritocracy, borders, whites, freedom, free speech and ethical institutions that aren't used to persecute your political enemies. You all jerk off to leftist terrorism, gloat about sending drumpf to jail for something no one else will ever be charged with and view all non-leftists as evil and unworthy of human rights. There's nothing liberal in any of you.

liberalism vs communism is soooo 20th century
the real idealogical battleground of the 21st century will be AI vs no AI, and after the luddites are reduced to biological goop in WW3, the hipsters of the 22nd century will be saying "umm akshually <retard country that banned AI and then collapsed>" only failed because they lost the cold war...

>>40197163
>rational choice
New york, currently, is at 30% white. I wonder if you'll still talk about how rational supporting dems is when the share of whites reaches 20% in your city and south africa-tier persecution comes to your doorstep.

>>40199464
Wanting to change the world not to save the ones you love but to immortalize your name is as selfish as it gets

>>40200861
>You're all the same
i'm apolitical, although I used to consider myself a leftist before I got sick of retards like oop and the new wave of reactionary luddites
>You vote for the same parties and have all the same values.
no, liberals are just soft conservatives, leftists believe in different things entirely
>Every single one of you hate men
actually i love making men feel good (with my mouth and hands)
>meritocracy
no, I just think that 90% of the retards who complain about DEI don't even understand the DEI laws inplace in their country
>borders
it depends, I'm very much against letting hordes of literal retard imbred islamists with no skills into a country and granting them voting rights
>whites
no i'm actually proud of my ethnic history and I think the only crime that the whites commited is doing to other races what would have been inflicted upon them if given the chance, product of times and all that, all races are equal, therefore all races are evil.
>free speech
no but I admit I differ from most left leaning people in this regard
>ethical institutions that aren't used to persecute your political enemies
yes ofc I hate those, do you honestly support persecuting political enemies?
>You all jerk off to leftist terrorism
you got me
>loat about sending drumpf to jail for something no one else will ever be charged with
and you don't gloat about doing the same to your political enemies? How many "SEND HER TO JAIL" messages did you ignore during 2015 you dumb fucking cunt
>and view all non-leftists as evil and unworthy of human rights
it's more complicated, leftists tend to recognise that people are ultimately reflections of their environments unlike right wingers who tend to believe that some people/races/cultures are inherently superior to others, and deserve to be treated as such
but yeah I do think that bigots and most capitalists are straight up evil
>There's nothing liberal in any of you.
you're confusing leftist with liberal retard

>>40200119
Non-whites only endure racism outside their native countries, whites endure it even within theirs, everything they do in their self interest is labeled as racist by the media, whereas members of other races are encouraged by it.

>>40201030
>no, I just think that 90% of the retards who complain about DEI don't even understand the DEI laws inplace in their country
NTA, but I watched my fortune 500 company explicitly bias their hiring process for high skill workers in favor of women and minorities over pressure from the top asset management firm (thanks Larry Fink) and the federal government's signalling at the time they wouldn't do anything about it.

>>40201173
Thats just straight up not true lol. Look at fucking India or the D.R. or Hawaii or literally anywhere that has been colonized. drop the "protecting white interests" thing and just say you hate niggers or whatever.

>>40201946
There aren't white communities in the places you mentioned, the natives there are an uncontested majority and as such, they enjoy the privilege of directing their own destiny.

>>40202072
Thats not what you said tho. Also, there is no such thing as "racial destiny". We are all individual people, we arent fucking ants in a colony.

>>40200651
>it isn't wrong because I said so
The burden of proof is on you if you even know what burden of proof means. Maybe ask a LLM? Retard.
>>40200694
Moron
>>40200824
Least deranged fascist retard

Hope you three get killed by the post-truth technofascist dystopia you're welcoming.

>>40200260
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_market_economy

>>40202107
There are groups related by bloodline, each with unique features from the rest. This is true even if you choose to ignore it.

>>40200861
>You're all the same. You vote for the same parties and have all the same values.
mfw i a centrist neoliberal go out and vote for the communist party