>>40216798>It's a free bbq!>yooooooooooooooooooooo>do you know if the free bbq is also in MTL?>Hamas was literally made by Israel as controlled oppositionirrelevant. that just means israel was stupid and immoral to do that. doesn't change anything about this particular discussion
>the Palestinians have no sovereigntythat is true. their leadership rejected many two-state solution plans. if they had accepted one, they might have sovereignty now. some of the plans seemed to be pretty generous
>and have been under occupation with since 1947.
the far-left meaning of "israel's occupation" is that 100% of the territory of israel is illegitimate - including land allocated to them by the UN and land that was purchased from palestinian owners
of course if one defines 100% of all israeli land - be it tel aviv or the west bank - as an illegitimate occupation, then there can never be any reasonable discussion about occupation and territory seizure. suppose one maintains that 100% of north american territory is an illegitimate occupation of tribal indigenous land. regardless of how one feels about the truth of that claim, it makes debates like "should we kick native americans out of some reservation somewhere" difficult to formulate
if all of israel is occupied land, then illegal settlement of the west bank isn't even a coherent statement. if all of israeli land was already an illegal settlement, then there's no useful term to refer to what's happening in the west bank
the reality is that since 2005, no israelis or israeli property was in the gaza strip (minus temporary operations). therefore, by any common sense definition, israel was not occupying the gaza strip for most of the time between 2005 and 2023. they were blockading certain entrance of goods into the gaza strip, but blockades and occupations are different categories of things