i know this one will get me burnt at the stake here but for some reasons i get irrationally angry when i see honmoders irl

the type with the ultra frizz cut who think that they'll pass if they have bangs hide their towering brows that are so large they cast a shadow over their eyes, and of course who can forget the giga XQChin, not to mention their only fashion knowledge comes from anime and apparently 19th century victorian dresses despite their shoulders poking straight out of them, but they have online diaper furry transbians telling them theyre SO valid and cute, meanwhile they're just a public circus who everyone is appalled by, and i could go on

especially their fake feminine mannerisms, theyre so disgusting i actually have to look away to save my poor eyes from them

and i know im probably just an asshole because for the most part they cant help themselves with it, but i mean, this is in a country where FFS is free you know

and all the effort i do to voice train privately and go to medical appointments so i can have FFS done to even wanna hope to pass? and these people just have the audacity to straight up present as a man with a rag on their head in public, not even bothering to learn an ounce of knowledge about feminine fashion?

Where do you guys live where you even see trannies irl, “hon” or not, enough that it would piss you off

And furthermore to the extent that you’re questioning why they don’t get plastic surgery (most of which looks terrible)

Youre mentally ill

>>40222807 (OP)
thats a manmoder not honmoder

>>40222807 (OP)
> i know im probably just an asshole
yes, you are. please return to the cave you crawled out of to write this post troglodyte

>>40222807 (OP)
Alot of hons never try and just expect to pass. They are closer mentally to the 40+ crossdresser/sissies than normal brained trans people. They are truly not like us

>>40222856
1. trust me i live in a city full of queers, i can hope to see at least 1 non passing tranny everyday in public transport, poon or hon

2. isnt the point of transitioning to be passing or you just wanna look like a guy with long hair because whats important to passing is in your heart apparently?

3. yes im mentally ill

>>40222856
I live in Portland and see hons every single time I leave the house. It's aggravating (but also nice in a way as the acceptance is high)to see as a stealth trans person

>>40222903
most of them are 100% trenders who are trans because its a popular social media movement and don't bother to pass because its anti-establishment. tons of them with communist anarchy pins too and all that jazz

>>40222887
No no no they’re right and we need to bring back shame as a social moderator. Permissiveness and individualism have gone too far. We need to preserve beauty and return to the Greek view that ugliness is a sign of low moral character. You attack OP because you too are ugly and therefore evil

>>40222934
true. i guess better living in a city full of hons than a city where they're all beaten back into the closet lol

>>40222807 (OP)
How do you feel about guys with long hair and who are clean shaven?

>>40222942
if that wasn't sarcasm I'm burning my "Protect the dolls" shirt right now just so you know...

>>40222969
they can be sexy and u can usually tell them apart from the ones who are honmoders because they dress like functioning human beings and dont slowly and spergily caress their hair away

>>40222969
Thin ice

>>40223006
You should burn it for being cringe anyway

>>40223006
OHHHH NOOOO!!!!! 4CHAN USER NUMBER 40223006 SAID THEYRE BURNING THEIR "PROTECT THE DOLLS" SHIRT WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING RIGHT NOW!!! .·°՞(˃ ᗝ ˂)՞°·.

>>40222918
>yes im mentally ill
Yeah I could tell from the essay you wrote being angry that you see unpassing trannies, which is 99.9% of all trannies

>>40223009
The worst are the hons who think it's ok to dress hypersexually in public. Like a fat man looking ass mfer wearing booty shorts and a crop top with unkempt hair is just disgusting to look at and is really bad optics for the trans community

>>40223025
>>40223031
I'm glad you two don't interact with many people irl...

>>40222856
can confirm that in seattle I see hons everywhere and work with them.

>>40223054
>projection
Projection

>>40223076
> retardation
Retardation.

>>40222807 (OP)
hons and manmoders aren't valid. they should just kill themselves desu. (You) reading this, do it.

Honmoder here
Honestly? I do it because I know I won't pass. I take care of my hair well enough that I dont get the frizz, but things like dressing and acting and voice... like, I can look in the mirror and see that I'm just not passing material. So instead, I choose to focus on the things that alleviate my dysphoria. I wear cute things that I like not for others for me. I do what work I can in my voice not because I expect to sound like a woman, but because the sound of my own voice makes me want to just go mute. I try to act more like what makes me comfortable and that ends up being somewhat but not all the way feminine. I ask people to call me she/her (and try not to get too upset if they wont) because being treated like a man is soul crushing. I wear bangs because theyre cute and better than showing off my 5head.
Because I am very visibly trans ("man in a dress", lol), I do my best to act in a progressive, egalitarian, and kind manner to everyone I meet and to be a good example. I am outgoing and use my natural charisma to make people feel more at home and help them understand that I'm just another person trying to live their life. Through this, I've made quite a few bigoted types openly renounce their opinions of trans people.
Am I always successful? No. Some people are hateful or just dont have the time. But I feel in some ways it is my role and purpose to be visible and positive.

Im very sorry you feel the way you do, OP. Look away if you have to. But know that I'm on your side even if you aren't in mine.

>>40222956
hons need to go back in the closet. Terrible optics.

>>40223310
ur trash just stop, and no i'm not depressed cause i said mean shit. deal about it, man

>>40223315
Based on this board hon just means all trans people

Theres really no biological males who would pass especially if they’re in the vicinity or a cis woman nearby, which is almost always it youre in public

>>40223362
Nah, I won't.
And I never implied anyone was sad.
But that's okay. I expect the hate and it doesn't harm me.

>>40223310
based. keep doing what you're doing and don't let the opticsfags get to your head.

oh fuck off we are all just a bunch of self castrating transvestites, im glad YOU just happen to be good at being that

>>40223387
don't worry it will once the honfidence wears off. i give it 10 years

>>40223373
Silly bad faith anon, noone actually believes your lies

>>40223373
There's a difference between a tranny who's somewhat clockable but still conventionally attractive and a straight up hon.

>>40223416
He didn’t even say that, op admits he doesn’t pass either but he’s better than others because he’s planning to get FFS which he believes will make him pass

>>40223439
uhh yeah your not allowed to be an ugly nerd if you are a tranny, becase... you just can't be ok????

>>40223439
Don't bother interacting with the troll. He's just trying to stir the pot

>>40223439
What kind of advice is this? “Just be conventionally attractive bro”

And at least men can get muscular and focus on their bodies to achieve that, a trans woman is either naturally born androgynous in very rare instances or theyre not

>>40223443
i could still honmode better than 99% of honmoders tho xoxo

>>40223395
Thank you! I'm doing my best, even if it's a little hard sometimes. Optics is a misapplied concept, and I wish people took more time to understand it. The average person doesn't turn on us because we stand out... they turn on us because they've been convinced that we in some way do harm. Being visible means I am in a spot to show that despite standing out like a sore thumb... I'm still a model citizen who does no harm and helps others.
I get absolutely glowing reception from the people that know me personally and let that guide me. I've kinda become "the Mom I wish I had" to pretty much everyone I know, which warms my heart.
>>40223420
Im 47 and transitioned when I was 30. Sorry, but I've only gotten more confident in myself with time.

>>40223466
>a trans woman is either naturally born androgynous in very rare instances or theyre not
Yes. The ones who are not naturally androgenous shouldn't transition. Stay in the closet and rep like people used to before the last decade.
>>40223456
>uhh yeah your not allowed to be an ugly nerd if you are a tranny, becase... you just can't be ok????
unironically yes

>>40223310
you have a very healthy mindset. as a passoid i am very jealous. hons are already comfortable with accepting the things they can't change... meanwhile i have to pick apart myself for every small detail...

>>40223483
wait you're 47 and you use military anime girl images

The fact of the matter is, like most men, OP guy is ugly.

I’m lucky enough to be an attractive man (MAN), but the idea of me trying to look like a woman is belly laugh inducing. It’s just not happening it would look insane.

>>40223503
yeah but once you get your mind under control you get the best of both worlds lol

>>40223483
>47
bro
>anime girl
BRO

>>40223483
anon from >>40223395 here:
I have been visibly faggy, GNC, autistic, standing out, call it whatever you want my entire life. People on this board cannot comprehend the kind of confidence people like us develop with age and experience - especially the young ones.
Going out there and showing that most hons are good, compassionate, regular people is INCREDIBLY based.
These other anons are just blatant fascists that think only in terms of friend and enemy and must eradicate the enemy through power of force (incredibly malebrained btw).

>>40223613
>fascists
You don’t know what this word means and should stop using it, thanks

>>40223051
you just described the hottest person in the fucking world.

>>40225549
tourist

>>40226280
we fuck ogrehons bro

>>40222903
She's trying. Taking hrt. Girl glasses. Long hair. Makeup doesn't make you a women

>>40222876
Based on that photograph, yeah probably but I think times are changing and they could be a honmoder
Depends on what they actually wear

>>40223310
Wow ma’am, I really respect that. I am on your side as well, blessed be

>>40223491
>t. chaser
take your purity testing bullshit back to tumblr

>>40227805
Yea because Tumblr is notoriously the place where ugly people are told not to transition. Damn youre hella stupid

>>40227805
It’s the
>everybody should transition even if they have 0% chance of ever passing
mindset that crawled straight out of tumblr. Too many people not living in reality and wondering why support is at an all time low.

>>40223677
fascists believe in biological supremacy over human subjectivity, so yes. making the argument that trans people must pass is fascist

>>40222807 (OP)
mogs me

>>40227814
yeah, tumblr is where lil bitchboi snowflakes go to get triggered about muh perfect wamen

>>40222807 (OP)
autists are autistic
autists are more likely to be trans
theyd look just as discraceful presenting cis

>>40227824
>making the argument that trans people must pass is fascist
Then Heil fucking Hitler then. Passing is literally everything.

>>40227829
Yikes! Only fascists use chauvinistic language like that. Do better!

>>40227837
for you

>>40222807 (OP)
Do I piss you off anon or am I valid and cute?

>>40227844
Yes Alice we could infer from your raging that you don’t pass

>>40227843
cope and sneed, you'll be the first in the fag chamber

>>40227856
yeah, what you gonna do about it ?

>>40227862
>>40227873
So mad lmao

>>40227816
people who don't support you for not passing were never going to support you no matter how much you pass. quit being a pick-me

>>40227844
You’re a big guy

>>40227879
So mad lmao

>>40227855
you are cute as FUCK
you would honestly look nice with a unibrow, if you ever wanted to grow it out

>>40227890
no one cared who i was until i put on the masc...

>>40227896
>You could look good with a unibrow
Uh... Haha jokes on you I have no penis haha that's right, no dick or balls. I totally got you haha get fucking fooled

>>40222918
>isnt the point of transitioning to be passing
no, i just want every person who sees me to be genuinely confused, and unable to tell what my genitals look like

>>40227931
fuck aAAAA i got got, right in the chest

i still mean it about the unibrow, though i might be biased

>>40227955
If I ever move to the jungle or the desert, I'll consider it

>>40222807 (OP)
I am an unironic honmoder but i get she/her'd at work it's ok, it happens desu
unsee
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>>40228196
You’re more of a twinkhon than a full on honmoder desu

>>40228210
really? the lack of styled hair and makeup kinda put me in hon tier, hm

>>40222807 (OP)
wake up and yall r still going on this thread wow.