what is it like living in a non-conservative place? i cant imagine it, ive lived here all my life, social repression and conservativism is all i know, ive rarely ever seen any open lgbt people

>>40241910 (OP)
It's not a paradise.
In exchange for maximal social permissiveness, you pay out the ass in taxes for incompetent services, and your neighbors will vote in the most harebrained patholigically-empathetic local or state policies without a critical thought so long as it makes them feel good.

>>40241949
>local or state policies without a critical thought so long as it makes them feel good.
voters here do this too but it is religiously motivated instead

>>40241960
I'm probably turbo jaded, but I think ths difference is that people here do that while believing they are better, smarter and less subject to cognitive bias than their conservative counterparts.

>>40241910 (OP)
Have you never visited a liberal place? I don't live in a liberal city (or even country) but when I visit I love it although I can never get used to it.
To me, it's bizarre seeing people be so open and candid about themselves. It is a much better way to live though.

>>40241970
>but I think ths difference is that people here do that while believing they are better, smarter and less subject to cognitive bias than their conservative counterparts.
i mean... people here feel the same way, just mirrored lol
>>40241980
ive been to california once and colorado a few times, thats all, and i stayed in conservative parts like san diego and colorado springs

>>40241910 (OP)
I don't know I don't go outside

>>40241910 (OP)
holy shit ur in utah? where????

>>40241986
>i mean... people here feel the same way, just mirrored lol
That's fair. I guess I just get more frustrated with liberals for it because they're measurably more educated lol

>>40241996
Liberal arts degrees are useless
>>40241980
Yet they still kill themselves
Interesting

>>40241992
happy valley
>>40241996
>That's fair. I guess I just get more frustrated with liberals for it because they're measurably more educated lol
understandable lol

>>40241910 (OP)
Conservative states are only bad because no trannies

>>40242005
wtf i didnt know that place was called happy valley thats fucked up... i live in north north slc tho so its kinda similar. but yeah utah sucks ass and i might kill myself if i cant get out of here within the next year :c

>>40241910 (OP)
is this the other utahn that said "i didnt know there was more of us" or something liek that yesterday? utahn here

>>40241980
Like this is so fucking bullshit
You aren’t happier than us bitch
Conservative states aren’t filled with miserable repressors while liberal states are enlighten

>wtf i didnt know that place was called happy valley thats fucked up..
it could be worse, i could be stuck in sanpete or juab
>i live in north north slc tho so its kinda similar. but yeah utah sucks ass and i might kill myself if i cant get out of here within the next year :c
im probably stuck here for a long while longer but i wish you luck in escaping
>>40242031
yes hello

>>40242044
sorry meant the top portion to be a reply to >>40242026

>>40242005
>>40242031
wtf there are 3 of us?? :0
rare moment... did any of u guys go to any of the parades?

>>40242060
>leaving the house in this heat

I mean overall it's good. I ended up with extremely rejecting family, but at least that was in the 00s and by this point most of them have been socially pressured to act like normal people. I don't know if taking a little trip to another state or city would be possible for you, OP, but if you can I'd suggest it. Maybe you'll like it and maybe you won't.

I will warn you though; the higher the cost of housing, the more homelessness and general despondency you see. Red states actually tend to have more gun violence and more violent crime in general, but we definitely have more people out in public ODing.

>>40242073
:p well i didnt go either but i saw one happening from inside of a car. seemed cool. plus yes ive had to boymode in this heat some people have responsibilities....

If you say "lgbt" instead of gay, YOU are the conservative.

>>40242113
anything is better than utah honestly, besides the deep south so id probably like it. housing here is blue levels crazy anyway
>>40242124
>plus yes ive had to boymode in this heat some people have responsibilities....
i was just teasing lol
but ya i cant stand this heat, i wont go out in it voluntarily. i suffer in 2 layer clothing...
>>40242139
i dont understand

>>40242060
no why would i ever leave outside into the hellscape

>>40242143
>I can't bring myself to say the word gay
>I am including straight people who larp as gays instead
you understand you just don't care and think you won't be called out on it
trannies are homophobic bigots who hate gays and don't respect that gays are only into the same birth sex

>>40242192
ok

>>40242203
you know what the game is and you play it for a reason
trannies are on the side of conservatives
you like it this way and you sexually fetishize homophobic bullying

>>40242212
k

>>40242192
>>40242212
Hey, can you quit being an annoying faggot in this thread and keep on topic?

>>40242038
>i can't read

>>40242222
it is on topic
trannies bitch and moan about conservatives while talking about how much being choked and called a faggot and then left in a ditch by a straight guy would turn them on
YOU are the enablers - you are keeping the system the way it is
trannies do not do anything to fight the system at all - they are massive assimilationists

>>40242229
>while talking about how much being choked and called a faggot and then left in a ditch by a straight guy would turn them on
buddy who in this thread mentioned any of this its not at all related

>>40242237
it is totally related
trannies fetishize homophobic bullying and violence and then turn around and whine about conservatives
it's pure hypocrisy

If a straight chad wanted to beat you for being a faggot but then was willing to rape your face with his cock you would love it

>>40242113
>we definitely have more people out in public ODing.
This is the perfect example of left coast brainrot btw. My county voted to expand their harm reduction for addicts, and now we have NGOs handing out needles to junkies like 2 blocks away from schools, and if you try to get the neighborhood to sign a petition creating a barrier around schools or other places, they wail about how heartless that would be to the poor homeless people.

>>40242245
can you please be nice and kind in my thread nobody was being mean to you or gay people

>>40242264
"lgbt people"
if everyone was only ever willing to say "lgbt" again and were terrified to ever just say gay because that might leave someone out, would that be homophobic?

>>40241910 (OP)
utah thread?

>>40242275
i just wanted anyone to be able to respond i dont see why that upsets you, lgbt includes gay people... so pls be nice to everyone
>>40242283
are you also utahn?

>>40242296
if you include straight people with gay people there's no purpose to the label
people are hated for being gay not for being "lgbt"
nobody fucking cares if straight men like crossdressing that's not illegal or discouraged to nearly the same extent as gayness
multiple states still have dont say gay and sodomy bans
0 states ban straight men from crossdressing in public

I moved from Russia to a super lib western area, can't say much has changed.

>>40242245
>If a straight chad wanted to beat you for being a faggot but then was willing to rape your face with his cock you would love it
omg shut up of course not... unless he was my boyfriend >.> but IT DOESNT MATTER gtfo this is the utah thread
>>40242283
maybe but this loser is ruining it

>>40242304
i honestly dont know how to talk to you i am sorry you feel hurt i didnt mean to hurt anyone

>>40242312
liberals hate gays more than conservatives do in my experience, they are just experienced liars and willing to lie to your face that they are ok with you being gay, while using it against you in private, which is kinda a worse situation

>>40242315
>unless he was my boyfriend
this is exactly my point
anways, fun fact utah USED to have a don't say gay law, but repealed it as some point in the last 10 years
the meme that conservatives hate gays more than liberals is just a meme - everyone hates gays and uses gayness against you and trannies are assimilationists doing nothing to fight back against that practice - trannies just find it hot

>>40242316
admit people hate gays more than trannies and I will leave

>>40242328
>admit people hate gays more than trannies and I will leave
ok gays are more hated, can you be nicer now?

>>40242336
do you really mean it? I will go if you do. But I want you to think about it today and now on. Do trannies really have the best interests of gays in mind? Are trannies really on a different side of homophobia than conservatives are?

I'm being mean because you are suggesting liberals don't hate gays - which lets liberals get away with all sorts of homophobia under the belief that they couldn't be that way.

>>40242340
anon it doesnt sound youll believe anything i say

>>40242353
you don't believe anything you say anyways, trannies are opportunists adhering to the status quo who say what they think others want to hear, even if they know its total bullshit

>>40242296
yea

>>40242361
anon i hope you know you come across as really mean you randomly decided to make this random thread into your pet project to spew whatever stupid niche belief you have. you havent changed anyones mind and nobody is going to change yours im sorry

>>40242364
i miss winter and spring:(

>>40242368
the last 10 years all ive heard is "lgbt" people aren't willing to say gay anymore everything is about being trans
your premise is that if you moved to a less conservative state, people would accept you more, but the opposite is true, conservatives WANT gays to transition the most

>>40242364
are these pics youve taken?
>>40242372
pretty... wish i had some saved

>>40242388
>pretty... wish i had some saved
april was so nice this year, i wish we would finally get some rain

so theres like 5-6 utahns in this thread, neat

>>40242401
yeah there were some rly cool lightning storms up here... cant wait for it to get cooler even tho were 1 month into summer

>>40242388
no i made them with chatgpt

>>40242442
why are there so many of us
>>40242448
same... i honestly wish i could just sleep the entire summer away

>Anon moves to a "non-conservative" place
>It's all brown people, most of which are conservative-minded
They aren't calling you "faggot," they're calling you a faggot in a non-English language.

>>40242442
lol turns out when you make a thread with utah in the pic every utahns brain lights up and enters it bc who tf cares about utah
>>40242453
...okay i figured they were real just wondering if u were getting off images or smth but theyre good

>>40242480
>lol turns out when you make a thread with utah in the pic every utahns brain lights up and enters it bc who tf cares about utah
Everyone should care, we're the most powerful race

so utahns when and where are you planning on leaving

>>40242499
i wanna move to new england one day, if i ever have the money for it

>>40242479
yeah i'm sure you travel a lot lmao

>>40242480
ty nona
going to sleep now

>>40242494
>most powerful racists
ftfy
>>40242499
always wanted to move to scandinavia. norway seems so comfy and still has nice winters. but if were talking within us, pnw would be my go to (preferrably not one of the giant cities tho)

>>40242538
>>most powerful racists
Most powerful race and racists. We are so based.

>>40242060
wow i from utah too

>>40242700
its 3am are you nocturnal

>>40242264
You are a crybully

>>40242811
how D:

>>40242811
what on earth are you even talking about? Did a trans woman in a diaper recently kill your mother or marry your ex? what are you doing in this entirely unrelated thread, embarrassing yourself?

>>40242899
that happened to me last week (both) so annoying

>>40242934
That is stressful. Well, please carry on trying to make us feel bad about being trans.

>>40242700
>>40242060
sup utah peps

>>40242499
I need to save up enough money but probably in a year or two. I've always wanted to live on the east coast, and I like the idea of living in a big city but I might just be romanticizing it. I wish blue cities weren't so expensive too

>>40241910 (OP)
Come to the PNW!! You're only an Amtrak ticket away from tranny paradise... well as long as you live along I5. We don't talk about the rest of the state.