>All the AMAB enbies I run into just want to fuck FtMs and MtFs, act identically to men
>All the AFAB enbies I run into are pretty pleasant but not far outside the bounds of femininity
Can someone explain nonbinary-ism to me? I earnestly don't want to be a Chud but short of *enbycope* and AMABs who want to look female but want to keep their dicks, it seems to me like it's just a different coat of paint. I really want to be disproven and to "get it."

ask ten different enbies and you'll get 10 different answers. It's not exactly a coherent, discrete identity in the same way that binary transsexuals have one. on a practical level not being a chud translates just into respecting their pronouns and treating them with respect as a fellow human.

>>40244387
I mean I definitely will respect their pronouns and treat them with respect, I just don't see how it's meaningfully different from cis people in like 95% of cases

>>40244414
It isn't. It's more of a rejection of gender norms that they perceive as being externally forced on them. They still conform to a bunch of other ones without realising it, because gender is too fundamental for the ego to ever truly be aware of it. These people often have a weird kind of inferiority complex where they'll make up imaginary oppressive authority figures that tell them they can't do x or act some way, and they will rebel against them by doing the enby thing. It's fine. 90% of cis women do that too just in a different way.

>>40244414
I actively avoid them. Theyre fine in small doses but I can't deal with them long term.

>>40244350 (OP)
>All the AMAB enbies I run into just want to fuck FtMs and MtFs, act identically to men
Where can I find one that's into ftm reppers

>>40244350 (OP)
All trannyism is totally incoherent compared to enbyism, the former wants to support gender roles while simultaneously destroying their foundation, the latter totally ignores gender roles altogether.

Non-binary is the only acceptable form of gender displacement.

>>40246069
Probably all

>>40244387
>ask ten different enbies and you'll get 10 different answers
so it is meaningless

>>40244350 (OP)
>and AMABs who want to look female but want to keep their dicks
why do we not count?

op, like bisex, its fun to wear the label but in reality, means nothing. they are kinky straights

>>40247350
are you asking my opinion? yes. But as human beings they deserve respect.

>>40247662
>as human beings they deserve respect.
respect is earned

>>40247590
As enby? You do. Reading comprehension

>>40247746
your post sounded like "enby doesn't count" despite fem guys being valid

>>40247758
No, it didn't. I meant I don't get enbies with the exception of that and people who enby cope.

>>40244350 (OP)
>All the AMAB enbies I run into just want to fuck FtMs and MtFs
I want gock or strap up my ass tho

Cisoids who don't conform to theirs gender or want to feel special.

>>40247795
how about kill yourself

>>40244350 (OP)
nonbinary people are those that ascribe to transgenderism as it's become a political identity. they're generally cis. the sexual orientation may vary, but the constant factor in observance of their behavior is that they do not seek genital surgical reconstruction. they attribute gender to being things like clothes and hair (a costume you can put on or take off that whose value is based upon societal reception). the conflate transsexualism with drag and queerness when they are not the equivalent. a transsexual transitions to assimilate into their peer group. queers perform non gender conforming behavior to stand out because they want attention. nonbinaries are the the gender abolisists. they want to get rid of gender entirely. effectively, retarded leftists. why? because they're the same as the retarded republicucks that thought we needed to deport all these /illegal immigrants/. except there weren't any illegal immigrants and now trump wants to exile american citizens over jd vance memes on their phone. they same type of retarded people that voted maga are nonbinaries with the caveat being they're team blue instead of team red. they're equally as retarded as their counterparts. they're congruent in sex. you don't see theymabs cutting their dicks off on the bathroom floor. nonbinaries fell prey to a made up problem, gender, and think they can get rid of it while they still self-segregate by sex designation at birth. the fact that they still identify with their sex designation at birth is proof that they are not the same as a transsexual. more times than not these nonbinaries do not understand the ego-syntonicities of identity.

i could go on, but the more i use big psyche words then more you retards foam at the mouth.

>>40247831
theyfabs like me too much for that

I identify as a non-binary trans-femme demi-girl.
I prefer she/her over they/them, but if people were more normal about neopronouns id probably go with sie/hir or something

I wish I could have a dick AND a pussy

>>40247863
>I wish I could have a dick AND a pussy
Based, me too. Having just one is retarded. Human biology suck.

>>40246171
transsexualism is completely agnostic to gender roles actually. regardless of how the genders are socially constructed some people will have sex dysphoria

>>40247938
Total opposite, Transgenders are upholders of gender roles, without gender roles they literally cannot even "transition" into anything. If you are to believe there are no gender roles at all, then you would and could not transition into something you don't even believe in.

>sex dyphoria
A complete fabrication, a hallucination, mass hysteria. What you mean to say is gender dysphoria, or rather social construct dysphoria.

>>40244350 (OP)
I'm MTF tranny but id as nb because I feel like a third gender and I like they/them pronouns in addition to she/her. I also feel most comfortable in more masculine-leaning clothing while accessorizing in a way that is usually seen as more feminine. Not that into dresses. Don't really like having a penis but sometimes use it. Want to get FFS and maybe BA. Would still use they/them after, so don't think I'm enbycoping. Just don't fit in with cis men or cis women or even lots of trans women.

>>40247996
i don't believe someone's sex OR their gender should influence what they are allowed to do at all. i take hormones to change my physical body so it feels like less like a prison, by changing my sex to that that aligns with my internal self. im making no statement about gender roles. the only socially constructed stuff i really care about is name and pronouns because not being constantly outed and called out for the way i was born makes me feel like shit. im not dictating how anyone should live
i use sex dysphoria specifically for that reason. the problem isn't that im inhabiting the wrong gender roles, but that i was born the wrong sex. you can say that's essentialist or whatever but like i said, i don't believe gender or sex should or do dictate anything

>>40248528
Bunch of incoherent emotional babble. There is no such thing as "changing my sex", with our current technology it literally does not exist. Indeed if you even believed the nonsense coming from your lips, then a sex change would not matter regardless, as if you do not believe in gender roles then there would be no functional difference between being one sex over the other. Total cognitive dissonance.

>sex dysphoria
As I said before, this doesn't exist in any sort of reality, you are akin to a hallucinating addict telling me they have invisible bugs crawling on their arms making them pick at their skin. The solution is not to not to use bug spray on the non-existence invisible bugs, but to have the hallucinating subject realize what is or isn't reality.

>>40246069
Literally anywhere?

>>40248624
>no functional difference
there is a physical difference that is almost immediately obvious in 99% or cases, stop being obtuse. that's what most of the dysphoria is about.
>there is no such thing as changing sex
hrt changes the way your body expresses your genes and quite literally does change our sex characteristics.
>have the hallucinating subject realize what is or isn't reality
how would you go about this? ive had dysphoria on some level since i was a kid, and i was aware of biological sex and its supposed unchangeability for most of that time.

>>40248741
nta
>hrt make me female
no it domt

>>40248741
>a physical difference
So then all this is nothing more than a issue with aesthetics. Now, I await a narrative swap back to it being about being perceived, in other words about your place as a gendered woman.
>hrt changes the way your body expresses your genes and quite literally does change our sex characteristics.
It "quite literally" keeps you as the same sex, your chromosomes are quite literally the exact same, your genitals no matter how much you mutilate them are quite literally the same, what defines a sex will quite literally remain the exact same.

>how would you go about this?
Probably the same way most mental illness is taken care of these days: you will be given drugs to reduce the symptoms of your mental illness and sent to a specialist to help you with these symptoms. It may be that you are never cured, just like a schizophrenic may always hallucinate that the bugs are real, or a depressive remains depressed. Ultimately the effectiveness of the treatment is not an issue, your symptoms not being a real tangible reality is what matters. Feeding your sad delusions might make you happy, sure, but it won't make "sex dysphoria" real as anything beyond a form of mental illness and hallucination.

>>40244350 (OP)
>Can someone explain nonbinary-ism to me?
yes
its made up bullshit
have a good night brother

>>40248927
why does transsexualism need to be treated with anti-psychotics and possibly institutionalization when it could be treated with hormones and surgeries? why is it so threatening to let someone transition?

>>40249444
Because a "cure" to me would be you realizing that your hallucinations are a figment of your imagination instead of mutilating yourself in an endless pursuit of something that doesn't even exist.

>>40248927
sorry, where did hallucination come from

>>40249563
why not administer a similar cure to people who believe in god?

>>40249664
Because the fairy tales helped keep society stay stable, while your hallucinations are destabilizing it.

>>40249695
trans is a scapegoat for bigger problems that people like you are too incompetent to solve

>>40249664
Can you please stop replying to the insane chud it’s unbecoming

>>40249720
Trans are a scapegoat, sure, but that doesn't mean you have a positive effect on society. The ever booming tranner population is proof that this mental illness is a virus-type of illness that spreads its delirium to others who would otherwise be normally functional.

Of course the big pharma companies are in love with your types, so too with the medical centers, and the surgeons. It will make them a whole load of money.

Do she/her gays exist like he/him lesbians?

>>40252575
I prefer being called she/her but won't ask for it

>>40252575
yes

>>40244350 (OP)
All the amab enbies i knew were sexual predators
There's more variation among the afab enbies in my experience
Maybe I got a bad sample

>>40252680
Care to share stories ?

just a personal experience, nothing definite. when i first faced how alien i felt in my body, i figured this dysphoric feeling must indicate im ftm and worked towards presenting male for two years. eventually it came full circle and i realized no matter how i present, i truly feel i am nothing. i didn’t feel any different at all, i still felt lost. there is no aspirational form for me. i wish i lacked one entirely. i hate the word nonbinary even if its accurate. it still encompasses the fact i am entirely disconnected from the idea of being a gender at all. i actively hate there is nothing i can become to escape from gender. i settle for small joys from appearance changes that make having to be seen a bit more bearable as that is all i can ever do. it is an internal sense, not an external goal.

>>40252727
Not really, the courts are handling one of them and the other one can just get fucked. I'm sure there's good amab enbies out there but good lord has my sample been skewed.
The afabs range from trenders with pronouns in bio who don't do anything to present as anything other than a cis woman to trans dudes on t who have a seriously complicated relationship with gender to all manner of butches and cisf femboys and such.
I'm sure there's amab enbies who don't diddle, but the lord didn't send his best when I met the 2 I knew

>>40252852
i feel this. i never liked the term nonbinary and always felt agender was more suited to me

>>40247996
>testosterone and estrogen driven secondary sexual characteristics are a social construct
Least stupid transphobe

>>40248927
>Ultimately the effectiveness of the treatment is not an issue, your symptoms not being a real tangible reality is what matters

I'm glad you aren't a doctor

>>40244350 (OP)
There are actual androgynous brained people like me, but I'm cis. Also are you sure you aren't biased in thinking that the amabs are strictly masculine and vice versa? I wonder how people would view the femininity to masculinity spectrum if we all looked androgynous

>>40249737
i like to reply until they make it truly obvious how hateful and stupid they are and how arbitrary we are as the object of that hate

>>40244350 (OP)
alienation

>>40244387
you talk like a retard, holy fuck where does all this people come from?

>>40253537
what exactly do you mean androgynous brained?
and does the androgyny apply to the rest of you?

>>40252579
nta but you can be she/her in my bed

>>40254372
I mean if there's a personality spectrum from feminine to masculine I think mine is in the middle. And do you mean does it apply to me physically? Because to an extent yes, I'm on the androgynous side for my gender but I still am unmistakably my AGAB

>>40254485
>in the middle
any examples?
and yea that is what I meant
I've always had a bit of a fascination with and attraction to androgyny despite not being particularly so myself

>>40254645
Umm I don't know I guess I feel feminine around men and masculine around women. My interests are also split between male dominated and female dominated hobbies. I think that's a more objective way to measure since I can't perceive my personality. I also really like the idea of androgyny so I could be wishful thinking, but I don't think I'm lying to myself? But androgynous people are really cool I wish I could totally be one physically

>>40254802
If you think you're partway there physically, you probably are
But there's no way to be sure of that without an actual picture, which I won't ask for
>split between male dominated and female dominated hobbies
examples? as long as we're still posting

>>40244350 (OP)
AMAB trans women who want to keep their dicks are not nonbinary... only straight men, gay women, pan/bisexuals are into them. Not completely gay men or completely straight women. It is not queer for a man to be into a trans woman. Only the relationship would be queer because they are involved with a trans woman and they'll get some problems because of that, but it does not make the man queer. Just the relationship due to the struggles trans people have. It is not a matter of sexual orientation. Human sexuality is complex, but regardless, a person won't pick who they date based on their genitals so why is it suddenly important for trans women? Also why are you ignoring AFABs who even less commonly get the surgery? For fucks sake.

>>40254862
i know this is cringe
well my feminine traits are i used to like slime when i was 12-15 and still like it, loveee fashion and especially scene style but i appreciate all styles. i have pinterest and love using it. my favorite youtuber is chase rutherford who has a female dominated audience. and rainbow dash is my favorite cartoon character and i thought she would be a really good halloween costume, but i won’t tell you if i actually went as her or not because that would reveal my agab
some of my masculine traits are the fact that my favorite music genre is rap and i’m very invested in that scene, black air force 1’s are my favorite shoe, i like playing geography games on sporcle like ‘name the capitals of the world’, r9k is my most used board (i want to stop this asap i just have an internet addiction), and i liked playing war games as a kid
can you guess my agab based on this?

>>40254969
going with F purely because of the fashion
but even for androgyny you'd be the first AFAB I've ever heard of who liked war games
Ever played of War of the Ring? SW Rebellion?

>>40254974
you're correct
i didn't play video games, i meant imaginary games. like i used to pretend i was a soldier and run around in my backyard

>>40254991
that is a much more female coded way of playing war games but it's still very based
my little sister always wanted to bring diplomacy to my imaginary wars, as a comparison
those aren't vidya btw those are board games
did you watch war movies as a kid or something?

>>40255024
oh i played stratego a couple of times, if you’re familiar with that game. i remember being mad and thinking that my dad and brother wouldn’t let me play with them as much because i was a girl
yeah i’ve watched some war movies, i don’t really like movies in general though. i remember jojo rabbit, saving private ryan, and 1917. i just liked playing outside though, i think war is an interesting setting but i’ve never been into the history of it as a hobby
are you the anon that said they were interested in androgyny the first time?

>>40255064
i used to like watching oversimplified on youtube though, do you know that channel?

>>40253330
>you can be assigned sexes despite sexes not being social constructs

>>40255064
stratego is a good one
>jojo rabbit, saving private ryan, and 1917
well you've listed 2 war movies I haven't seen so you got that on me, and I considered myself a bit of a movie buff
I'm the same anon yea
and I'd take oversimplified with a grain of salt but it's enjoyable content like a lot of Youtube
it didn't occur to me to say it until after I'd made the previous posts but don't feel too bad about having an internet addiction, our modern world kinda incentivizes it

>>40255091
>don't feel too bad about having an internet addiction, our modern world kinda incentivizes it
definitely, i need to quit though

>>40253330
You don't have sex dysphoria (it doesn't exist), but rather just a wish to be a different gender, thus "gender dysphoria".

This >>40255072 is also correct on some level, although not my own argument.

You may read the first two sentences of @40248927 if you are still confused, or believe otherwise.

>>40246069
Me, I'm right here

>>40255122
but if you quit the internet entirely we can't exchange discords

>>40255171
that's true, i’m roundshield1738 ^^

NONBINEY

>>40255262
added