I genuinely love this man. His work on AGP made me understand and love myself. Can we get a thread where we just glaze this man and post his funniest tweets?
I mean it, blanchardism is profound

>>40260288 (OP)

>>40260288 (OP)
then why dont you marry him?

>>40260311
I wish I could marry him. He would be the only cis man that would truly understand me.

>>40260288 (OP)
>His work on AGP made me understand and love myself
This but also Lawrence and Bailey.

>>40260288 (OP)

>>40260340
Banger
>>40260331
I liked what Bailey initially had to add but he's a confused man nowadays.
Additionally, Phil Illy, as giga cringe as he might be with that blue dress, really streamlined all the ideas and gave it a nice form.

>>40260288 (OP)
hi blannies, can you rate my analysis of cis agp please?
>>40255645

>>40260387
He really did, his book is super digestible

>>40260288 (OP)
I believe in AGP but it genuinely poisons the well every time I try to talk about WHY we are the way we are. I wish we could genuinely just have some gen up where we just stew about it, post studies, debate Power's findings, anything. I think it would be really interesting.
>>40260398
Cis AGP is not a thing. Part of people's sexuality (especially women) is to be desired and they get into certain fantasies that makes it likely for them to be desired. AGP is inverted heterosexuality. They can by definition not have it.

>>40260503
but they can be classified by same questions and qualify as agp and it is kinda same

>>40260582
Women can’t have cross sex fantasies about becoming a woman. They already are women.

idk I don't like it when people impose their narrative upon me.
I got half a brain myself and have come up with an elaborate explanation for why I am the way I am that I feel comfortable with. Ruminating on stuff like this is part of the fun for me.
I'm learning new things about myself every day and really don't care for a guy telling me my whole identity is indulging people in a fetish 24/7.

>>40260503
What are Power's findings, exactly?

>>40260288 (OP)
Agp doesn't exist and is an antiquated transphobic notion that was disproven years ago. 4chan is the only place degenerate enough to keep perpetuating it.

>>40260750
>disproven years ago
falsenuke

>>40260503
>Cis AGP is not a thing.
How come that available science proves otherwise? Even if you go by pro-blanchardist research, at least 10% of women would be classified as AGP if they were males. In a way, cis AGP "passes" pretty well as default female sexuality and therefore no one really cares about it. I acklowledge or trannies AGP would definitely be diagnosed much more frequently. There might, obviously, also be some differences between cis AGP and trans AGP, but we cant really tell how substantial are they. But lets assume that the difference between cis AGP and trans AGP is substantial. Then, if not Blanchard's core AGP scale, what else should we use to consistently pinpoint the differences between cis and trans agp?

>Part of people's sexuality (especially women) is to be desired and they get into certain fantasies that makes it likely for them to be desired.
I acknowledged that in my original post and specifically said that this is NOT AGP, have you even read it?

>They can by definition not have it.
Its actually very stupid to define a condition like that. You cant really define a condition by saying "only x can have it" and ignore all the non-x cases that just happen to happen. science is descriptive, not prescriptive.

isn't the most problematic shit about agp the fact that blanchard believes that agp causes gd and not the reverse?

>>40260883
I'd say so. Isn't it kinda obvious that being starved from femininity and hating your body will make you develop erotic fantasies of being a woman as a cope and as an outlet for these feelings?

>>40260824
The typology IS descriptive. It’s describing a cause of GD. You literally don’t know what AGP is if you think 10% of women are aroused at the thought of becoming women, something THEY ALREADY ARE. Only males can fantasize about becoming women - the opposite sex - because they’re males. Why is this all so hard for some of you to understand?

>>40260288 (OP)
blanchard is a fraud and nobody should take him seriously

>>40260988
>It’s describing a cause of GD
yeah and he literally worked backwards from his assumptions to justify that, including by falsifying data
he's wrong

>>40260503
"AGP" is a real thing but it is not the cause of gender dysphoria in mtf trannies, it's just a facet of sexuality that people can experience

>>40261024
Hypothesis testing is not “working backwards from an assumption”

>>40260750
there is a subset of trans people on twitter who love talking about it, it's all they talk about. there's an ftm who thinks it's the reason behind all transition.

>>40261045
he did one of those things

>>40260824
the biggest problem with the debunking of agp is that no one has explained why hsts don't have it the same way. This was blanchard's own argument and response to the accusation of lacking a control group.

you only think it's true because it was the first thing that made sense to you. Like people who think atoms look like the thing they saw in jimmy neutron or bill nye the science guy

>>40260988
>The typology IS descriptive.
If so, blanchardism really failed to desribe the phenomenon of arousal coming from the idea of being, becoming or performing as a woman.
>You literally don’t know what AGP is if you think 10% of women are aroused at the thought of becoming women
My assumption here would be that AGP may be defined by fulfilling certain criteria from the Blanchard's core AGP scale questionnaire. Well, it just so happens that a lot of cis women "have ever become sexually aroused while picturing themselves have a nude female body or with certain features of the nude female form" (quoting directly from the questionnaire)
>aroused at the thought of becoming women, something THEY ALREADY ARE
AGP is not necessarily about becoming a woman, it obviously could also be about feminine characteristics that one already posseses. If we were to go with your assumption further, we could come to the conclusion that if an AGP tranny gets bottom surgery, she would have no more fantasies about having a pussy. Basically it would mean that transitioning consistently removes AGP. Does that really happen? In some cases it probably does, in some cases it probably dont, but if we were to listen to Blanchard, AGP, being a paraphilia, doesnt go away when its fed to. We've gotten to a contradiction.
>Why is this all so hard for some of you to understand?
idk maybe bc its kind of bollocks? Blanchard's typology is the type of theory that you may come up with when you're stoned out of your mind and believe you've come up with something brilliant

>>40261137
This is an interesting topic.

I don't really understand how can you first specifically select for a subgroup that does not have a certain train and then treating it as a control group for this trait. That's circular reasoning and honestly I didn't even expect Blanchard to be that stupid

But apart from that, lets try to answer the question: why hsts don't have agp?

1. It's not that hussies are completely devoid of anything AGP-like. I'd even say that an average hussy is probably more AGP than an average cissy. Even in Blanchard's core AGP scale, the expected result for hussies is 2-3, not 0. And by the 2022 study I've earlier quoted, the average AGP score for cissies is close to 1.5.
2. Blanchard's model is faulty bc the categories are too rigid. Generally speaking, in psychology, you rarely get a model that has rigid borders between categories and doesn't allow for any in-between options. But blanchardism is like that. The reality might be that HSTS/AGP is a spectrum. Even AGP as defined by Blanchard could be a spectrum, on the one end of it you would probably have gynephilic paraphilic males with erotic target location error, on the other end you might have actual bisexuals (obviously blanchard refuses to acknowledge that bisexuality is a thing bc its a boring in-between option and not a rigid category) who just randomly happen to fantasize about having boobs from time to time bc dysphoria makes them miss it. The rigidness of the Blanchard's model is also the reason why it's so appealing. It's literally like MBTI in this regard.
3. Hussies transition earlier and therefore are not that starved from femininity to develop significant AGP
4. Hussies generally tend to be more sociable people and therefore they seek outlet for their femininity in actual social relationships and not self-centered autoerotic fantasies.
5. Hussies affirm their sexual femininity by having sex with men, they don't need other coping mechanisms that much

I find it hard to believe that you're dysphoric if you can accept blanchardist theory as an explanation for your transition, because fundamentally it still asserts that you're male (just with a fetish or extreme androphilia / feminine manners).

>>40261653
THIS

>>40261627
>I don't really understand how can you first specifically select for a subgroup that does not have a certain train and then treating it as a control group for this trait.
If you divide trans people in two groups based on sexual orientation(androphile or gynephile), they will score differently on the AGP scale. That is not circular reasoning and only blanchardism exaplains this. If AGP was normal sexuality in androphilic cis women, it's not clear why androphilic trans women would be LESS likely to have it than gynephilic trans women. Unless blanchard has a point.

your list is a nice list of maybe's. Now you just need to prove any of them in order to make it science.

>>40261683
> two groups based on sexual orientation(androphile or gynephile)
ok that kinda explains it ig

>If AGP was normal sexuality in androphilic cis women, it's not clear why androphilic trans women would be LESS likely to have it than gynephilic trans women.
Every one of these 3 groups would have totally different mechanisms by which they could develop AGP. Hussies have more reasons to develop AGP than cissies and jeeps have more reasons to develop AGP than hussies.
AGP is obviously not normal sexuality in cis women, but all the data we have proves that a noticeable minority of cis women meets AGP criteria. It can pass as normal sexuality, but in reality its a fetish.

>your list is a nice list of maybe's. Now you just need to prove any of them in order to make it science.
I know. I'm not a scientist, none of us here are. I'm not competent enough to scientifically prove anything I've described, these are just some hypotheses of mine that come from science at hand and personal experience. It's actually Blanchard's job to do the science and prove his theory right in spite of all the criticism he gets from mainstream science people. But that doesn't mean I can't criticize it. I like learning about ideas through disccusion and that's what I'm doing here. I'm just a random person on the internet, I don't have to be right.

hey >>40261683 why are you deleting your posts? have you been humbled by facts and logic?

/thread

> let's never do this again

>>40260288 (OP)
>>40260292
>>40260319
>Autogynephilia
This hypothesis was made up by putting "phallometry" devices on crossdresser penises, it's not reliable and the data quality is too low, many courts don't allow it as evidence:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penile_plethysmography#Legal_admissibility
>According to Barker and Howell, penile plethysmography (PPG) does not meet the legal threshold for the guilt phase for the following reasons:
> * No standardization
> * Test results are not sufficiently accurate
> * Results are subject to faking and voluntary control by test subjects
> * High incidence of false negatives and false positives
> * Results are open to interpretation

>>40262179
Okay but we can clearly see that some people have a fetish for it

>>40262179
>have medical fetish
>forced into ppg device
>get hard

>>40260288 (OP)
does he even have gender dysphoria himself

>>40261218
Is there any evidence that a decent chunk of women think this way or is that idea based on vibes?

>>40260735
Looked into it, I will credit Powers to some degree, I think he is probably right with respect to brain chemistry, but I have a couple issues.
He seems to implicitly accept gender ideology, I don't think gender can be understood as meaningfully different from sex without devolving into sexual mysticism. The best you could do is define gender as "brain phenotype" and sex as "rest of body phenotype", but that strikes me as a somewhat arbitrary division.
Further, I don't think running away from the terms HSTS and AGP is strategically wise, I am aware they have been coopted by GC activists who use AGP as a slur, but they will just coopt any new terminology you invent for the same purpose, see what happened to the term "liberal" in political discourse.

>>40260582
Ignore that tard. AGP is a completely independent phenomenon from trannism, not everyone with AGP wants to be a tranny, or enact their fantasies. You can fantasize about winning the lottery but still think lotteries arr retarded and never buy any numbers.

>>40261627
Another retard that doesn't understand what agp is

imagine letting your existence and validity as a tranny be defined by a old white guy lol. cuck mentality. i might hate myself sometimes too but i do it on my own terms instead of installing a prepackaged set of opinions on how im gross and wrong and invalid

Hi blannies, I'm back, let's talk

>>40266754
There is. AGP being present in women is one of the most commonly brought up points against blanchardism. Blanchard has obviously tried to debunk these claims on many occasions, but, undeniably, even pro-blanchardist research points to the conclusion that a noticeable minority of women has AGP traits.

Bailey, J. Michael; Hsu, Kevin J. (2022). "How Autogynephilic Are Natal Females?"
If you go by this pro-blanchardist paper, where they gave original AGP questionnaires to males, females and male crossdressers (NOT transgender women), you can make an assumption that the rate of AGP in females must be at least 10%. Reasoning behind this is that AGP trannies typically score ~5 and there was about 10% of females who scored 5 or more. If you were to include females who scored 3 or 4, you could expect even 20% females to be AGP. The questionnaire is constructed in such a way, that if you've scored 3 or more, you must've answered "yes" to the first question, which is: "Have you ever become sexually aroused while picturing yourself have a nude female body or with certain features of the nude female form?". At least 20% of cis women have done that, think about it.

One of the most common contrarguments is the statement that "Females cannot be AGP because they don't fantasize about becoming something they already are". But this stamement contains a faulty and contradictory definition of AGP. AGP fantasies are not only about turning into a woman, they oftentimes are about already being feminine. If this contrargument were correct, transitioning would consistently cure AGP in every case, but Blanchard says it's not the case - yet another contradiction in blanny logic.

In order to prove that AGP doesn't exist in females, one would have to be able to, without any exceptions, pinpoint exact differences between cissies who scored high on the AGP scale and trannies who scored high on the AGP scale. No research like this has been done yet.

>>40267848
Finally someone seems to get what I'm talking about.

>>40267879
Hey smartass, since I'm the retard here, can you educate me...please? But honestly, I think I've already tortured myself enough by reading and listening to Blanchard, I know what he's trying to tell and no wonder why the scientific consensus sees his theory as nothing but a controversial hypothesis. Rightoids obviously are gonna side with Blanchard bc it's the most common theory explaining transness that is free from "gender ideology". But the sole rejection of wokeness doesn't make the Blanchard's theory any better.

>>40267934
THIS. Let me give y'all some advice:
Finding the true reason why people are trans or AGP is scientists' concern, not yours. Your concern should be to figure out your tranny life, and there isn't any universal solution for that.

>>40268262
based kuromi nona all around
thank you for taking the time to write this out

>>40268277
<3

>>40268166
I see. Not like 20% is that high, idk if that qualifies as typical female sexuality but okay

>>40268717
It doesn't. It's a sexual preference, a fetish. It's just that trannies are way more likely to develop it for certain reasons.