Why are trannies offended by the mere suggestion that penis looks better on the female body than pussy does? Having genital preferences doesn't inherently make you a chaser.

>>40278345 (OP)
because behind balls the penis is the singular most masculine part your body can have

>>40278359
not if it's smol

>>40278359
>>40278392
this
small estrogenized penises should more accurately be called an uncommon type of female genitalia rather than man parts

>>40278405
>>40278392
Next up on Delusions from the Troony Loony Bin: "Are Breasts Actually Masculine?".

>>40278416
you shut your heretic mouth

>>40278416
i mean he's right

>>40278359
Entirely opposite and in fact it provides a point of comparison for a trannies femininity. This is why most trannies become incredibly creepy and uncanny post SRS.
When we look at OP pic for example our brains are essentially tricked by the presence of the penis into fixating on the person's femininity. It is essentially shocking the brain. Take that away and you'll notice the gangly twink body and the large skull.
The wand is the most feminizing decoration a tranny can have.

>>40278416
>"Are Breasts Actually Masculine?"
Yes

>>40278345 (OP)
the problem comes when faggot chasers try to assert that trannies with crippling genital dysphoria are "better off keeping their penis", those people need to die painfully
nobody cares if you chase trannies who want to keep their shit, just dont make obsessing over girlcock your whole personality

>>40278888
It is equally as common for SRS trannies to try to gaslight non-ops into getting the surgery.

>>40278345 (OP)
>me drooling at this image for 5 minutes and imagine railing her speed bump and smelling her floofy hair.
Hghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh god at least give me the source pleaseee

because it speaks to a general lack of concern for our boundaries and autonomy. i don't mind mine (even if i want srs) and i even top sometimes. but i find chasers who talk about my pp disgusting moidish gross weirdos because it suggests to me that they have zero concern for my feelings.
the only men that have ever been good to me have been guys who have never been into a tranny before me, and have asked how i feel about my body and what my boundaries are after googling
>how to make sure my tranny gf doesn't hate me
lmao. whereas chasers lead so often with
>i love your cock can i touch it
and then proceed to engage in a bunch of other boundary illiterate weird behaviour

its a red flag and its gross

>>40278928
hardly
postops just share their positive experiences with it to alleviate worries that girls already on the fence about it have
its not gaslighting to provide your perspective from the other side of an admittedly grueling and terrifying recovery process
especially when so many of those worries originate from said faggot chasers who run a collective disinformation campaign to make srs seem worse than it actually is so that the faggots can have more fetish toys to objectify and abuse, they're horrible people

>>40278932
>railing her
you know she has a penis right? that means she is built to penetrate, even if it's small and feminine

>>40278952
You know that I dont care, right?

>>40278947
why is it gross to be attracted to your body?
>moidish
so you want "men" who are not attracted to you the way a man regularly does, visually

>>40278965
you don't care about using their bodies the right way? will you ejaculate in their nostrils? as long as it turns you on all is good it seems

>>40278969
you ignored everything i said which i think speaks to my overall point, which was about ignoring my feelings and thoughts. i like men who are into my body, i just don't like men like you

>>40278345 (OP)
It’s funny because as a cis-lesbian who hates dick I’ve found if you tell them the opposite they get really offended. Maybe there is no winning with crazy.

>>40278950
nta and I agree with the rest of your post. But why are we called "faggots" for finding women beautiful again?

>>40278994
you're faggots for liking penis, stop trying to deflect

>>40278986
I didn't ignore it, I think you have a very reasonable perceptive when you don't want us to only reduce you to whatever we lust about you. But it still does seem like you don't actually like masculine men who are into trans women. It's almost as if you just want us to ignore that and see you as cis

>>40279000
It's a woman's penis so it isn't gay in any sense of the word. I would be a faggot if I liked men's dicks but I don't

>>40278978
Well done, you made me laugh.
Here have a you. You earned it.

>>40279011
>trying to deflect by calling it a "woman's penis"
it all just is a cope for you people isnt it

>>40279018
>objective reality is cope
No, here let me make it simple for you. Trans women are women, and that means when referring to their body parts those body parts belong to women. It's no different than saying she has a woman's finger. But for some reason when it comes to the penis you all freak out and see it as inherently male.

>>40279007
you are entirely making that up, my favourite men to date are masc chads who know categorically they like my body for my body
but
who don't ignore the fact i feel dysphoric

in my experience a guy expressing
>i love your feminine penis
is the biggest red flag for someone who will treat me like an object, especially if its early and especially if its without talking to me first about how i feel

i will add that your inability to read my very plainly expressed feelings, and instead fill in the blanks with your own sexuality, is also a red flag. creepy weirdo

>>40279033
>masc chads who know categorically they like my body for my body
>don't make it clear they love your feminine penis
Then they do not like you in your entirety, that's my point. They look at you and ignore your sissy clitty, almost like he pushes it to the side. A masculine man's attraction is almost entirely visual. Meaning he cannot but salivate over just looking at what is between your legs.
>especially if its early and especially if its without talking to me first about how i feel
You don't understand how men work. Even with cis women they also get complimented like that. But they will be saying instead nice legs/boobs/feet/ass/etc. I do get your point though that they should not make it apparent to you that they love your for your pecker though. At least not before checking in on you how you feel.

>>40279030
>more faggot cope deflection
this is why you're hated btw

>>40279059
you are repeatedly ignoring me and you speak like you're pornsick. if i met you irl i would use you for sex and then ghost you after you caught feelings and you'd see me some time later with some cute tranny on my arm and we'd laugh at you. consider becoming a eunuch or monk so you never have to both a woman (cis or trans) ever again

>>40279063
This is just an ad hominem and an appeal to popularity. Can you actually prove me wrong?

Why can you post your bulge but when I do it I get a 3 day ban?

>>40279069
I don't like agp transbians that only "desire" men because it validates their gender, so no that would never happen. It's clear anyway that the only male bodied individuals you like think in feminine and irrational ways like yourself and your dream partner

>>40278950
Oh so you're just being disingenuous then. Disregarded.

>>40279086
ty for proving my point, the second a woman doesn't center your fetish you call her manish and project your insecurities about gay women onto her lol. you don't see trans women as women, you see them as hsts or agp, you are someone trannies should avoid. cringe!! you're cringe!!!

>>40279218
hsts are women though because they actually like masculine men and not just carbon copies of themselves that think identically to them. tell any cis woman that you like her eyes and she will feel elated, say the same about a agp woman's penis and she will feel offended.

>>40278392
What do I do than if mine is 18cm, I hate it, it's not even feminine

>>40279266
i have no idea what you're even talking about anymore. you're pornsick and you've probably never spoke to any dolls irl.

Id never want a pregnancy but i feel bad im not fertile, else having a dick instead of a pussy just feels like im more of a top than most girls nd doesnt bother me much because im cute and so full of estrogen nd prog. Besides that its kinda super appealing sex like that and superior to strap ons.

This turned out more explicit than i intended, thats rather embarassing

>>40278345 (OP)
I'm fine with that statement but I wont top you. I'm ok with everything else.

>>40279266
sorry i already replied to you but i found this and its appropriate

>>40278416

>>40279464
why do you have to play so hard to get? I just like your limp hot dog damn

>>40279438
Only women get topped. That being said will you let me lick your pp?

>>40278345 (OP)
>Why are trannies offended by the mere suggestion that penis looks better on the female body than pussy does? Having genital preferences doesn't inherently make you a chaser.
I've found trannies IRL don't care. It's a terminally online thing for 4chan and reddit trannies.

>>40279501
>IRL
That's because they are tranny supremacists. They actually believe to be better than cis women. The online ones are nerd with no self confidence who hate themselves

>>40279490
imagine the following

you massively let yourself go and end up with bitch tits. you lose weight but your man breasts remain. you literally have impossible to hide breasts. people regularly claim that the fact you have breasts is disgusting and makes you less human. it is the source of so many things wrong with your life and you find them generally quite repulsive. even if you personally make peace with them, you still have all this trauma around them and they single you out as different to every other man. not just different, but inferior, less manly. disgusting.

i meet you one day and we go on a date
on that date i say
>i love your man titties, they're not even like womens tits really. they're masculine tits. you have tesostrinised breasts and im so into it. get your baps out i want to jiggle your bitch tits

how would you feel

>>40279494
yes you can. 6" uncut if that matters.

>>40279519
Yeah I guess so. All I can say is I've had a lot of fun with the ones who embrace it.

>>40279551
>how would you feel
Honestly if everyone else made me feel disgusting for my moobs but you were doing the exact opposite by actually desiring them, and even making me feel better by saying they are masculine and all that. I would feel like the luckiest person in the world. It makes no sense for me to want someone who is either indifferent or just outright repulsed over you. Women are so used to being praised for their beauty that it actually becomes something bad in your minds, it's unbelievable how you people think. Aliens

>>40279576
okay so you cannot empathise with trans women, and you say the fact that you fail to empathise with us is evidence we are weird and dumb and stupid. is it any wonder why i do not want you touching my dick lol. again to restate; i am fine with men who do! just not ones who show me such an astounding lack of understanding. i do not want someone indifferent or repulsed! i want someone who is turned on by my body BUT not entitled in the way you are, and more considerate of how I relate to my body. you only care about how you relate to it, and judge me for not centering your feelings over my own. rapist mentality.

>>40278932
It's a transbian, don't bother.

>>40279598
How can I possibly empathize when it just doesn't make sense to be anything but flattered in that situation? As I said before I do not think like you people. Go ask any man if they are okay with any body part of theirs being strongly desired like this and none will be opposed to it in any way. o you think a bald guy will feel horrible if a woman said he looks sexy with that chrome dome?
>entitled
Literally how? All I am saying is that I love gock and I think it makes you hotter than cis women. Again I have to make it clear that I will not just go ahead and say on the first date something like what you mentioned earlier. But that doesn't mean I am not obsessed with your body, even the parts you don't like.

>>40278345 (OP)
>penis looks better on the female body
But female body (XX) doesn't have penis.
Tranny body does.

>>40279645
yeah like, you cannot empathise with me, as in you cannot put yourself in the shoes of another. even when i spell it out to you.
>Literally how?
because you can't understand how i (or other trannies) feel and imagine therefore your own feelings are more real/reasonable/important. you put our feelings last and your own first. and thats based on the fact you feel you should be owed our bodies. its entitlement. it makes me feel you'd assault me if the circumstances were such to allow for it

>>40278345 (OP)
They're even more offended if youre like me and like both dicks and vaginas on a feminine body but you don't like SRS holes.

>>40279643
Aww fuck nvm

>>40278454
>Take that away and you'll notice the gangly twink body and the large skull.
dunno bout you but op pic looks underage to me

>>40279695
I can understand how you feel and will respect that irl, but that doesn't mean I think it makes sense or can see it from a first person perspective because I don't have an emotional and irrational woman brain. Even though I think this way obviously if I were dating you then your feelings will take precedence. Do you seriously expect a chaser would just put his hands down your pants to jiggle those tiny smooth marbles on the first date or what?

>>40279782
lmao
okay you clearly have no idea how rancid men can be then because like yes i very much can imagine men would do that. not even the majority! like a small %. but enough that the way you are talking is enough for me to want nothing to do with you lest you act that way. i've had men grope me on the first date

>>40279791
There will always be a small % of any demographic that acts in disgusting ways with no shame. Even women who are notoriously loose with boundaries other than their own. But why are you attempting to smear most of us who will not do anything like that? I just think your flaccid clit is hot as fuck. I also think that about your thighs and ass just like with cis women. But I will not be groping them or you

>>40279894
the % of men that act this way is higher, don't play dumb. i have to be more guarded with men, and so the threshold for you showing me respect is higher. that is how women keep safe. if you talk like you talk in this thread, and act with this lack of understanding, i can't be sure you're not a creep and so i'd want nothing to do with you. its uncomfortable and the easiest way to make a woman feel she wants nothing to do with you is to make her feel uncomfortable, unsafe, unconsidered

>>40278950
This

>>40279084
bc you’re gross and annoying

>>40279908
Yes men act that way more often because again we are visual creatures and when we see something hot we immediately want it. Still I think it's incredibly unfair to think we are just built to be predators. Aren't you aware that this is the exact view a lot of people have on transbians? I expected you to sympathize more but no as usual women have incredibly blatant double standards.
>if you talk like you talk in this thread
I am just being open with you. I may be a creep because I am horny as fuck for tranners but that doesn't mean you aren't human beings who deserve respect primarily

>>40280063
You're trying to defend your position pretty hard but... didn't you call in this thread the penis a "sissy clitty"? That's just gross, pornbrained and a sign that you should in fact be avoided

>>40278345 (OP)
>please pretend my penis doesn't exist it's so male
>please fuck my prostate make my prostate cum it's so feminine to have a prostate orgasm holy fuck daddy
What did trannies mean by this?

>>40280312
You do realize anything remotely sexual like this topic is going to be inherently pornbrained, right? I am not sure what is gross about feminizing what they wrongly assume is a masculine trait.

>>40280399
If you don't see how repulsive that phrase is then I have nothing more to add

>>40280441
what's the difference between "feminine penis" and "sissy clitty"

>>40278345 (OP)
i wish a pussy was seen as male in the same way a dick can be seen as male

Because most fem-brained bottoms are turned off when a man likes cock.

It just gives off gay and sissy vibes. I don't care how much you LARP as a "dominant straight top" if you are aroused by seeing cock you're a faggot. Especially if someone wants to be seen as a woman and their "straight" boyfriend is drooling at the sight of dick and balls? It's a huge turn off. You can accept it or not, just telling you how it is.

>>40280591
*dick can be seen as female fml

>>40280591
I changed my mind once I sniffed an ftm manhole, it stinks like male

>>40280591
never heard of girlboss?

>>40280609
Why can't tops enjoy the leaky little pickle bounce as he pounds her?
>noo you can't like your girl's clit because it's gay to like her
If the straight boyfriend is drooling at any part of her then that means she activates his neural pathways the same way a cis woman would. There's nothing gay about it

>>40280609
>nooo if you don't fit my autistic criteria how will you trigger my AGP!!
Don't try to speak for or group yourself in with actual fembrained bottoms lil bro

Sighhhh I wish hrt made my dick smaller like that panties look so much cuter when it's not a bulge

>>40280665
how will you be topping transbians with a small dick?

>>40280689
Im a virgin and I don't want to fuck anyone because it disgusts me I just want to be smaller

>>40280659
>more cocklover cope

I'm female actually, I don't have AGP. But even as an actual woman I'm turned off extremely by the idea that my partner likes dick. I see transwomen feel the same though.

>>40280657
Why do you try to force YOUR TASTE on other people? Most don't enjoy it, just have gay sex with people who do.

>>40280588
You also could just call it a penis

>>40280700
how did you manage to remain a virgin though? just spread your legs

>>40280732
Im too brainwormed to meet people and I simply don't think about sex at all? It's not that complicated

>>40280723
Sure thing bud

>>40278345 (OP)
Because they suffer from internalized transphobia they cannot appreciate the beauty of their form

>>40280752
Having a dick isn't beautiful it's what makes me disgusting and undesirable. I'd be a normal woman if I didn't have it

>>40280723
>gay sex
No thanks I only like women. How is me enjoying girl cock forcing my taste on anybody though? You are the one being aggressive here when you are labeling anyone who loves transwomen as homosexual. I see why though, it's penis envy. You're angry that you don't have what makes them better than you in every way.
>>40280729
Not any penis would do though. It has to be effeminate like the owner so it is an important distinction to make

>>40280761
I'm sorry I hope you can accept the gift god gave you someday

>>40280741
Would you let a man breed you though? Even if it's not really your thing

>>40280761
This thread is full of people who do desire you for your dick.It makes you much hotter than a "normal" woman I hope you know what.

>>40280778
>>40280803
>>40280824

You all only care about the one thing that makes me not a real woman. I hate you all

>>40280767
If you seek sex with a male body you're at LEAST bisexual. You want to fuck a male in "her" asshole while staring at her cock and balls flops around. By definition it's homosexual sex because two people of the male sex are fucking.

>>40280837
That's not true. Just to be clear, I am not attracted to you if you don't have a realistic female face, body shape, and voice.

>>40280860
Oh please nigga you chasers jerk it to clocky boy moders and femboys too stfu

>>40280864
You made that up. I understand your dysphoria makes you lash out it's all good.

>>40280871
You are attracted to femboys too.

>>40280848
>"her"
Average transphobe I see, no wonder you don't see tranners as real women like we do.
>while staring at her cock and balls flops around
Yes it's hot as fuck! That's why you're so pissed. You aren't equipped to get guys as hard so you lash out against these women for being hotter. But those aren't manly cock and balls so it can't be homosexual.

>>40280910
Femboys look like girls more than the clocky boy moders though so why is that bad? They even undergo the same hormone replacement therapy as you do in a lot of the cases. i don't care what the ass identifies a, if it's feminine I will jerk off to it

>>40280837
why doesn't your femininity extend to your clit though?

>>40280917
You are having homosexual sex. It's by definition not straight. And most transwomen won't be attracted to you fetishizing their dicks.

>>40280955
Ok, so you're a bisexual with a cock fetish.

>>40278345 (OP)
> Have tiny girly dick
Cis straight guys have never complained about what I have
t. hrt femboy

>>40281004
So they weren't straight then.

>>40281029
Probably not :3

>>40280969
>It's by definition not straight.
No it's not. A man and a woman fucking is not homosexual sorry. There are some transwomen who are not dysphoric like that btw. Anyway I never make it known that I find it hot. They only find out when I lick her clit

>>40280969
I am not bisexual because I am not attracted to masculinity

>>40281052
The sex of the transwoman is male. You are male. Two people of the male sex are having anal sex or sucking each other's dicks. By definition, it's homosexual sex.

>>40281059
>gay men who have sex with feminine guys are straight
ok

>>40281072
>gay men who have sex with feminine guys are straight
that's gay
>straight men who have sex with feminine guys are straight
it's straight for the straight man and gay for the feminine guy. hope that helps

>>40281086
Why are you sissies so afraid of the word bisexual?

>>40281063
you have the brain of david cameron and the body of a hikikomori go fuck a pig or whatever your fantasy is

the biological sex of a estrogenised tranner is female because of a billion different things (other than chromosomes that we can't even see with the naked eye)

>>40281063
transwomen are not male, they were born male sure but after transition not anymore

>>40281093
It's just inaccurate because I am attracted to femininity exclusively

>>40281101
Their sex is male. Any lab will confirm this.

>>40281094
Their biological sex is male and you fuck the person in the ass while looking at their dick.

>>40281117
Well that's objectively wrong because you love cock and balls. The most masculine body trait possible.

>>40280848
retarted take, homosexual is a stupid label and what actually matters is not the sex but the phenotype that you are attracted (gynephilic vs. androphilic). If you take a male and then with alien tech completely transform them in all phenotypically discernable ways into a female-appearing person (but you keep their internal physiology male), a male attracted to that person would be considered "homosexual". So homosexual is a meaningless label for sexual orientation and instead the phenotype orientation is what we actually care about. In other words, basically everyone is pansexual, because we don't care about the sex of people when determining whether we are attracted to them, we care about their phenotype, and technically it's logically possible for a person of any sex to possess any phenotype.

>>40281052
I just don't get why you guys have to shit on pussy just go love dick if that's what you want leave cis women and trans women who aren't like that alone shrimple. I personally don't care for pee pee on a lady much but wouldn't care if I loved them :).

>>40278345 (OP)
mostly because i have a pussy and i disagree that a pp could be better than it

>>40281172
>Their biological sex is male
basically every trans person's biological sex, by any reasonable biological definition, is either both sexes or in a practical sense the sex of their prominent sex hormones

>>40281207
in a paradigm of sex where we are looking solely at the current state of the person's physiology, trans people given our current state of medical tech are intersex, but in the future will almost certainly be able to actually transition from male to literally female or vice versa.
if we look at sex as a historical or metaphysical property where the physiology of the person at birth is the relevant characteristic, then trans people are their "birth sex".
I think lots of people get hung up on the second paradigm of sex, so that even if you took a "male" under the second paradigm and literally transformed "him" into an actual XX female with alien tech, they would still be like, "yeah but he's still a male because penis when baby and he just has a male philosophical essence I don't care about his XX chromosomes or his womb or bobs and vagene"

>>40281207
>>40281176
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/homosexual

Transwomen: male sex

And on top of it, you actively desire sex with a transwoman who has the MOST MALE body parts possible (dick and balls) in display. It's not straight, sorry bud. You are having homosexual fetish sex.

>>40281207
>by any reasonable biological definition
Any lab around the world if given the body or blood of a transwomen will declare that person to be male. There is no confusion. They could even do that with just some bones.

>>40281264
british law defined sex as "biological" but their definition of biological is natal and like

wtf sort of drugs did you do off the arse of a pig to come to that conclusion lmfao

>>40281290
i am indeed homosexual but for women you retard

I don't understand the mental gymnastics of you cocklovers. Why do you not just admit "yeah I'm bi so what" but instead go through this circus of NOOO ITS ACTUALLY 100% STRAIGHT TO FUCK ANOTHER MALE IN THE ASS WHILE HIS ERECT DICK IS LEAKING PRECUM AND HIS BALLS ARE JIGGLING.

>>40281290
did you read my comment? That's exactly my point, it is homosexual. EVERYONE IS HOMOSEXAUL. and heterosexual. Everyone is pansexual because sex is not a relevant factor in sexual orientation, it's phenotype. I'm assuming you consider yourself straight? As in, attracted to "females"? Why? It's because most females have a feminine phenotype. If I presented you with 100 males who had perfectly feminine phenotypes, you would experience sexual attraction to them. You are gay. But you don't identify with that, you think it feels wrong, you aren't gay. The reason you feel that is because you are equivocating "gay" with "attracted to masculine phenotypes". They are not the same thing, according to the technical definition. "Gay / homosexual" completely ignores phenotype, which is why it is totally useless as a label for sexual orientation, and you should use gynephilic / androphilic instead. Is desiring sex with a transwoman representative of a gynephilic or an androphilic sexual orientation? The answer here becomes clearer, it is much more congruent with a gynephilic orientation

>>40281324
It can only be homosexual "for women" if you were born female.

>>40281341
>because sex is not a relevant factor in sexual orientation

It absolutely is. Majority of gay men doesn't want to have sex with transmen even if they fully pass as males because they're not attracted to pussy. Having a pussy or dick is entirely sex-based.

>>40281327
men don't have great tits and soft skin etc etc etc need i go on

>>40281341
although interestingly, I did assume the transwoman has a sufficiently feminine phenotype. People who are attracted to very masculine or non-passing transwomen are actually probably androphilic. In other words, transwomen can have a very broad range of phenotypes, and so a person attracted to one particular passing feminine transwoman might have a different sexual orientation than a person attracted to a non-passing very masculine transwoman. This just strengthens the point that sexual orientation is not about the "identity" or "sex" or whatever metaphysical bullshit bucket you want to put a person into, it's about what they actually look like, their phenotype

>>40281346
depends on your definition of born female to be frank most tranners basically are

>>40281356
no it's not. Are you literate? I already gave you the example of a male with an entirely feminine phenotype, i.e a cis vagina, not a neovagina or a cis-passing vagina, but literally a cis vagina. There is nothing logically incoherent about a male having a vagina, unless you want to use a definition of sex which is not based on physiology at birth but instead current physiology, in which case you *can* change your sex and trans women can actually become female, which would then mean that attraction to trans women is *not* homosexual because they have literally become female. I feel like you may be a bit too stupid to actually engage with what I'm saying

>>40281365
Men can absolutely have soft skin and not all women have soft skin. Skin softness depends mostly on body fat and skin treatment. Most people won't be able to feel the difference between male and female skin if they have the same weight and moisturizer.

> great tits
Cone tits or silicone? The amount of transwomen with great, natural tits is very small.

>>40281380
Most transwomen are straight or bisexual men with a fetish.
This is why 70-80% of transwomen are into women, transwomen or feminine men as their ideal partner.
Yet only 2-3% of ciswomen is gay. And the small number of bisexuals often prefer a man at the end of the day.

>>40281389
You can't be a man with a cisvagina. It's biologically impossible.
You can be a transman with cisvagina, which means a female imitating a man, but not a man with the male sex.

The fact that tons of people are ONLY attracted to a certain-sex genitalia means that sexuality absolutely also plays on a sex basis.

>>40281393
you have absolutely no idea what estrogen does lmfao get a life

>>40281417
If transwomen are heckin' valid real women why are most of you into feminine partners? Almost like... it's a fetish? Wow...

>>40281393
>small number of bisexuals
bi women are weirdos who hang around ftms who have no intention of taking testosterone because "i am scared of the side effects"

>>40281389
In other words, you have 2 options.

> 1. Sex is based on physiology at birth and is a historical characteristic that does not change.

With this option, a person of any sex can have any phenotypical changes *after* birth, rendering sexual orientation labels based on sex totally worthless, because a "male" can literally have XX chromosomes, a cis vagina, breasts, a womb, and be perfectly physiologically female, but still a "male" because they once had male characteristics in the past. A male person attracted to this "male" would be classified as "homosexual" but what does that mean, what's the point of that classification? It's meaningless, that male is also attracted to a bunch of actual natal "females", not because of their sex, but because of their physiology.

> 2. Sex is solely determined by the current physiology of a person and is mutable.

Here, since you can change sex, if I take a person who was born male and literally make them female (XX, womb, breasts, cis vagina, etc.) then attraction to them would be heterosexual anyway, so your point is moot again.

The only argument you could have is that medical tech is not at the point where actually changing sex under option 2 is viable, but we can clearly alter a person's physiology enough that trans people are functionally physiologically intersex. Is a man who is attracted to a natally intersex but very feminine person (not male or female but literally actually birth intersex) with a vagina a homosexual? or a heterosexual? idk that doesn't even fit into the sex based sexual orientation schema, which is why that schema is stupid and i say again try thinking in terms of phenotype instead, we would call that person gynephilic

>>40281425
why tf would we accept feminity wholly to then let a deranged m*le defile us back into masculinity? make it make sense lmfao

>>40281439
A woman having sex with a man and getting pregnant is as feminine as it gets. You dressing up like a woman, injecting hormones and then rubbing your dicks together with another "woman" is bisexual fetish moid sex.

>>40281446
>dressing up like a woman
my old male stuff basically didn't fit me anymore lmfao
>getting pregnant
way to objectify women. your male behaviour just proves the reasoning for my lesbianism further

>>40281464
You're a man having sex with other men. You're a homo or bisexual. Please stay out of all things women.

>>40281480
says that obvious male objectifying women for the past infinity. stop being jealous bc you are too much of a hon to troon out

>>40278345 (OP)
You fags with dicklust are truly the worst of the bunch

>>40278359
That is because you are a MALE, dipshit. You will never be a female, you will never have a womb, you will never have a vagina that acts, reacts, and responds like a womans vagina actually does.

Just ACCEPT that you are a femboy/ladyboy/tranny, ACCEPT IT, and move on with your life, and you and everyone around you will be much happier and be willing to put up with your retarded antics.

Why is this so hard for westerners to get? In the Philippines we don't have trannies killing themselves in such large numbers because they just accept who they are. American ladyboys seem to have this dumb belief that if they just have enough hormones or enough surgery people will accept them as women, when the reality is that you will never be accepted as a woman, anywhere you go, you just need to get over the fact that you are male and be the ladyboys they were destined to be. Were starting to get you faggots coming over and trying to pretend that you are women really trying our patience. It is also like this in Thailand and South Korea.

>>40281356
> fully pass as males
> still have pussies
this misses all of the points. the relevant example is a bunch of gay men saying they aren't attracted to fully passing 6'2" hairy alpha 8 inch chad cock thunder king ftms with literal XY chromosomes, just because they "have a female essence" because of their historical physiology, not their current physiology

>>40281410
you can be a man with a cisvagina, if biological sex is determined by sex at birth. Just take a male, and alter their physiology such that they now have a cis vagina (i don't care how you do it, magic, alien tech, future human tech, it's irrelevant for the thought experiment as long as it is technically physically possible in this universe)
if you can't be a man with a cisvagina, that means it is possible to change your sex, and therefore trans women can become female, which would make attraction to them straight. are you seeing your predicament here?

>>40281541
No, there is no point missed. A lot of gay men (or straight people) would not want to have sex with a person that has the "right phenotype" but the "wrong sex" ( = not the genitals they prefer) - it's not rocket science.


>>40281562
>you can be a man with a cisvagina, if biological sex is determined by sex at birth.
>and alter their physiology such that they now have a cis vagina

This has never happened in history and is entirely irrelevant, because it will never be encountered. But even in that case a lot of people would say "No, I'm not attracted to this man who has a vagina, which is 99,999999% a sign of the female sex" and that's it.

>>40281640
you did miss the point. please read
>>40281437

Phenotype *includes genitals*. You can't have the right phenotype but the wrong genitals.
fucking braindead lol

>>40281527
I agree with everything you said. It's all about these tiresome mental gymnastics instead of embracing truth.

"I AM A REAL WOMAN!!! I'M 100% VALID I'M FEMALE!!!"
"WHAT? YES I LOVE SUCKING COCK AND FUCKING MY TRANNER GF IN HER ASSHOLE WHILE HER BALLS ARE BOUNCING BUT I AM 100% STRAIGHT"

Like just say you're bisexual so what?
Just say your'e a ladyboy and tranny, so what?

>>40281673
>phenotype
>dictionary: the set of observable characteristics
>O B S E R V A B L E

In most cases you can't even observe the complete phenotype you drooling moron. 99,9%, of people you meet and observe will never be fully naked in front of you. So it's entirely possible that a gay man is attracted to a "guy" in a club who appears to have all males phenotypes until the pants come off and there's no dick.

>>40281527
Based

>>40281327
>NOOO ITS ACTUALLY 100% STRAIGHT TO FUCK ANOTHER MALE IN THE ASS WHILE HIS ERECT DICK IS LEAKING PRECUM AND HIS BALLS ARE JIGGLING.
I don't see the problem with this line of reasoning. We like it when cis women's boobs bounce up and down and find it enjoyable when they are wet. it's exactly the same thing

>>40282471
You are in denial. It's not straight. It's bisexual at best. It doesn't get more masculine physically than cock and balls.

>>40283432
Those are girl cock and balls though so it cannot be masculine at all. But even if it were dominating her like that is inherently hetero. Just think about it, with every thrust her prostate gets stimulated and her boyness removed. After you're done busting in her you can take your cummy cock and slap her nuts as the ultimate sign of submission.

>>40279018
Listen
Us bichads fuck the trannies in the boyhole and give the penis some fondling
We say we're straight
They say they're "women"

It's all a masquerade for society's hatred of our sexuality and for tranny's internalized homophobia

>>40278345 (OP)
im just glad i find vaginas revolting, ima keep my penis ty

>>40283510
No, it's not "girl" cock. It's the cock of a male. It's ok to be bi,

>>40283648
She's a woman so it's a girl male's cock and that means it is not gay to want to stick your tongue between her foreskin and glans

>>40283510
Dick cannot be feminine.
Actual feminine genitalia is pussy, dick is masculine and will always be.
Stop being a coping bisexual/gay.

>>40283700
No, a woman is an adult human female. A male isn't a woman. He's a transwoman, an imitation. You are having homosexual sex.

>>40283717
>Dick cannot be feminine.
Yes it can. There's a difference between a cut throbbing member with bulging veins vs a tiny limp little clitty leaking transparent juices all over herself while nestled between skin silky smooth folds. Even the smell/taste is different, trans women smell like flowers and taste sweet vs super salty and musky mancock

>>40283751
>A male isn't a woman.
Agreed, but transwomen have left their maleness and are on a journey to pure femininity. Some are closer than others but none are male, even the reppers and their feminized brains

>>40283781
A transwoman is a very feminine male. If two males have sex that involves both of their DICKS it's never straight sex.

>>40283763
That's still dick, cut or no, veiny or no, big or no, dick is dick and will never be pussy.
>>40283751
>He's a transwoman, an imitation. You are having homosexual sex.
Truth.

>>40283795
yes it's still a penis but a feminine one, of course it isn't a pussy that would be her balls. The penis of a woman is a slightly larger clit

>>40283792
They are very feminine indeed and that's precisely why they can no longer be considered male.
>sex that involves both of their DICKS
most gay sex is not like that so you're just wrong

>>40283805
>Slightly larger

You know clits are not several inches big right?

>>40283805
>Penis
>Woman

>>40283822
Feminine males are males. Make cannot become female. You're man having sex with another man, you're having homosexual sex.

>>40283805
https://unsee,cc/album#DqKjdNALKvqC

> Slightly larger

I don't think it's the same big dog

>>40283823
some are even though it's rare in cis women, it still happens
>>40283835
yes some women have penises and I love them for it

>>40283897
that's 2-3 inches tops, it's a woman with delicious chocolate balls

>>40283844
Feminine males cannot be considered male anymore. It's like saying adult children or married bachelors

>>40278345 (OP)
penises are inherently male. don't try to sell me on some feminine penis lie, ive been on hrt for over half a decade. it's still a penis.

>>40283944
I think you're mistaken. Let's see how you look

>>40283926
Gross I hate it they're ugly

>>40283944
I agree with this

>>40283965
Why do you hate them? If I saw them irl I'd slap those nuts with my 7 incher until you start loving it

>>40283986
Why do I hate it? Because it's a penis it shouldn't even be here and I'd actually be a woman lol

>>40283963
never doing that lol

>>40284016
You are a woman and you have a penis therefore it's a woman's penis. And if you're doubting that you are a woman have you seen the curves in that picture? You're built to get fucked, end of story

>>40283781
You say it's a journey but a ton of transwomen simply manmode

there's no journey
there's no essence

>>40284048
Why are you ashamed of your beauty?

>>40284058
women don't have penises, it's over anon we lost. we're shemales again.

>>40284062
That's because they are being forced to remain that way by society

>>40284067
im not "ashamed of my beauty" i have dysphoria over my male features. i also have a bf (he doesn't see it either)

>>40284093
I clearly just saw a hot woman with a delicious pecker though so clearly that can't be the case. But if you wanna do that to yourself the shemale category of porn is most watched by straight men.

>>40283942
>Feminine males cannot be considered male anymore
Of course they can. They never become female, they are a feminine male.

>>40284058
The reality is I have a male body part and that's always going to make me not a real woman anon

>>40284149
Good thing a feminine penis is not a male feature then. You should know though that your bf would love to touch you and cum on your balls. But even if you're not open to that. The visual delight of seeing those cherries bounce and sausage swing.... fucking hot

>>40284154
How can a male be feminine? Those are completely opposite attributes in the same object.

>>40284191
A "male" body part does not invalidate your womanhood. Especially since it's as pathetic and cute as the one I have just seen. You are a woman on her way to becoming female too

>>40284193
my bf says I have a feminine penis but I would like a second opinion

>>40278345 (OP)
Because perhaps the man in this context takes on his perverse air and is no longer attracted by the morality of the person but by his physique

>>40284110
Oh, ok
the estrogen would work better if society stopped hexxing them with male witchery

>>40284212
A male can be feminine by imitation. Just like a white person can appear black with surgeries and hormones, but they aren't black.

>>40284239
the doctor is in so go ahead post yourself

>>40284193
eww

>>40284305
oh shit i forgot to take my shot of black hormones gotta get on that

can we let males be feminine as a society? like drop all the sexist bunk and just accept that a certain percent of males aren't masculine and stop trying to force them into a role that makes them hate existing?

>>40278345 (OP)
Hottest phenotype. Also pic related.

>>40284376
that's a dildo tf

>>40284386
Nah

>>40284237
Having this stupid dick invalidates everything I am. Anyone can argue I'm not a real woman because I have a penis

>>40284305
It's not imitation if the cells in your body respond the same way a female does to those hormones

>>40284330
unsee cc/album#5XhgEU5fKVfV

>>40284361
>oh shit i forgot to take my shot of black hormones gotta get on that
There's a hormone you can inject to make your skin black. The hormone that darkens skin is called melanocyte-stimulating hormone (MSH) :)

>>40284417
I am arguing on your behalf that you are a woman despite your penis. Don't back down so easily. I know you're fembrained so you don't understand this but you can actually defeat people with arguments and fists

>>40284418
>It's not imitation if the cells in your body respond the same way a female does to those hormones
Not at all. Your cells don't react in a way to enable a female cycle. You don't have the organs.
Almost all females at some point in their life will experience some type of hormonal cycle or problems related to it.
Even women with PCOS do.

The transwoman is a male who has his male body react through cone breast tits and different body fat distribution. That doesn't make him literally a woman.

>>40284452
nta but it's very hard to find the combination of words that makes a woman with a penis suddenly not absurd

>>40284452
What the fuck does fembrained mean? Many chasers love transwomen because they are NOT like women.

It's always like "Omg I love my nerdy autistic coder speedrun gf!"

>>40284422
fucking hell what a beauty...those magnificent tits and perfect tummy
>tiny flaccid and pale
salivating, you officially have a feminine penis diagnosis. how do I replace your boyfriend?

>>40284452
I don't even try arguing with people if they say I'm not a woman. They don't have to respect how I feel so why should I argue against them. Transphobia is winning now anyways

Need gf with a cute feminine penis

>>40283899
They don't

>>40284371
Well, ultimately, I think it's all just sexual attraction.

Males wouldn't mind a currently "feminine" role. That doesn't really matter; the modern male just wants to feel useful, so whatever satisifies that is good enough.

The thing is that dysphoric males, truly self-disgusted ones, are just going to live in pain. Even with estrogen and what we consider as modern presentation for girls.

It's that terrible chicken-egg problem of whether we make them dysphoric because we gatekeep what "girl" looks like FAR AWAY from males or if they're dysphoric because they're sexually male.