Please blackpill me on HRT after puberty and why it's a terrible idea
T. 22 y/o male repper

>>40293728 (OP)
John, a 50 year-old genetic male, medical research scientist, married (23 years), father of three children aged 20, 17 and 7, phoned me after experiencing a panic attack severe enough to require emergency attention from paramedics at the airport on his way to give a presentation at a conference. John gave me only his first name and informed me that I was the first to be told what he was about to tell me. He said he was "gender dysphoric" and that he was "desperate." Feelings that were once "controllable through sheer force of will," had increased to where he now was having protracted periods where he would close his office door, lie on the floor and weep quietly while curled up in the fetal position, holding his genitals in pain. Other than intrusive and repeated fantasies of being female, he had refused to allow himself any overt form of female gender expression. He reported feeling that if he was to cross-dress and be caught, he would dishonor his wife and family. Having attained international recognition for his work, he was also concerned about his professional reputation. The only other form of temporary relief came through masturbating, often up to five times a day.

Some gender dysphoric individuals proceed into their senior years with their needs and desires to be female still unresolved. Senior gender dysphoric males typically report they have been waiting, many since childhood in the hope that their desire to be female would simply "go away." Like those who are younger, they say in resignation that if they had known the dysphoria was going to remain such a strong force in their lives, they would have braved anything to face their dilemma decades sooner. Characteristically these people can be described as sad, depressed and deeply resentful. Surgeons report performing sex re-assignment surgery on individuals as old as 71. I have personally worked with four natal males in their early to mid sixties.

Eh, it's not that bad, my hair looks great, my face is slightly feminizing, mood swings are sometimes unbearable but overall it's so nice, my brick body kinda won't get fixed I guess but I was like that since puberty so starting sooner wouldn't have helped.

>>40293755
And the solution is what? To be a hon? I don't know about you but I always picture John 50 as a tall, bald, fat man with a face smooth shaved but rough as sandpaper after decades of skincarelessness. What is there to do at this point? Encourage him to buy a wig, do shitty makeup, and go by Joanne? They point and laugh when his wife leaves him, his kids become ashamed, and his career falls apart?

I think repping after a certain age is justified, it's like having a chronic disease you just have to learn with live with, at least it's not cancer.

>>40293912
it gets easier to transition over time if you just wait
every new year its easier than the last

>>40293912
Its not a matter of should you rep, its if you can even manage to rep at all
At some point you will break

>>40293923
this is a sales technique not a serious claim

OP, most AGP men don't troon out, don't get scared by these hons who are misery wanting company

>>40293728 (OP)
actually it's a pretty okay time to start lol you might think T is done with you now but believe me a LOT of guys get a lot more masculine in their mid 20s, ime at 22-23 you're on the cusp of second puberty and can still avoid it if you start HRT now. of course it depends on how you look now because some people are already cooked after first puberty. in saying that unless you have a really masculine build or face idk why you'd rep.

>>40293912
>but what will others think
Repper ideology, why would he continue suffering if there's a solution?

>>40293728 (OP)
i started at 23 and it's been going fine for me, but you do you retard.
if you need blackpilling you're clearly not strong enough for repping. you're just gonna troon out at 40 married and with a child instead and everything will be ten times worse.

>>40293934
Id actually prefer it if agps didnt transition at all
Theyre called rapehons for a reason, they literally cant help but indulge their fetish

>>40293728 (OP)
look at me taht should be enough

>>40294026
What's wrong?

>>40293728 (OP)
You're gonna break eventually, and even if you manage to "successfully" rep you're still probably just going to indulge your AGP in ways that aren't taking HRT.

>>40294289
> you're still probably just going to indulge your AGP in ways that aren't taking HRT.
What's wrong with that?

>>40294323
>what's wrong with doing increasingly weird stuff that pushes away everyone while still feeling terrible and unfulfilled just to cave in and get into hrt anyway
Dunno

>>40294400
I feel there's a world of difference between what you're describing and just wearing a thong and a skirt during sex every once in a while.

>blackpill me
well your hips are most likely fused by this point, so no bone development for you. But I think you already knew this. Usually, when it comes to age, only giga-youngshits are able to avoid skull shit like brow bossing, and normie youngshits are able to get hips.
Keep in mind that starting before 15-16 is a super recent development, 7-8 years, and only the very lucky few are able to actually get estrogen at that age (as opposed to blockers)
>22 y/o male repper
I started at 23 and I'm stealth. I got lucky with my face and height (5'7).
Obviously I'm a bit of a brick, but after 4 years on HRT I got good fat distribution and I have a slight hourglass figure. I have comparison pics I can upload to unsee if you want. Keep in mind that normie cis women can look like bricks if the picture is taken when their lungs are full of air.
What matters is face, voice, height, mostly in that order. So prioritize face laser and voice training.

>>40294581
I forgot the most important part:
it's not a lie that men get increasingly more masculine in their mid-late 20s, people in this thread have called it "second puberty". I remember how my classmates looked when we were all 22-23, when I started HRT, and back then they looked like their freshman college selves, just with more facial hair. And now they look like full on MEN, it's kind of insane to tell you the truth.
So yeah, repping at 30 will be MUCH harder because dissociation stops working after some time, and it will be impossible to ignore how much you look like a man

>>40293912
Are you even a hon at 60? Cause like a lot of 60 y/o afabs look like men in wigs. If anything, the more past middle age you get the easier it is to put on a wig and actually pass

>>40294512
Exactly, repressing gets increasingly harder, maybe doing that would help the first few times but dysphoria is not something you can put in the freezer until you are ready, it comes to you and fucks you up without a warning.

It becomes unbearable and the more you wait the worst it gets, there's no point in repressing if you already know how to cure dysphoria.

>>40294581
>I have comparison pics I can upload to unsee if you want.
That would be nice actually, at least to see what could be, maybe

>>40293912
You're 22 not 50
Plenty of trannies start at around 30 and look great, look at Natalie Mars
Genetics matters more than age, it doesn't matter if you look like a tranny, it should be a badge of pride considering what normals consider normal; what matters is whether you can be pretty

>>40295146
>look at the pornstar for example

>>40294951
this is my body before hrt and 4 years on hrt
started at 23, i'm an alcoholic and don't eat well, i don't work out

share.riseup.net/#9wJaG1Itdq_EsYSH4qtxVw

sorry for not using unsee, i can't login for some reason. 4chan also doesn't let me upload files to the board, so this is the only way

also if you think you cant pass facially how feasible is ffs for you
i heard qassemyar is good and pretty cheap

>>40294026
wait until you clean up your eyebrows and put on a little makeup.
you'll get it.

>>40295390
I was expecting a more radical change, but there's def improvement. Your legs look fuller, as does your belly, and your skin looks softer. I would honestly don't mind to see thos changes myself, even if they're subtle.

>>40295585
>I was expecting a more radical change
I did say I was "a bit of a brick", so...
People that work out their glutes seem to have better progress, and OP is starting earlier, at 22, so it's not all doom and gloom

>>40293728 (OP)
>blackpill me on HRT after puberty
Unironically YWNBAW

>>40295390
quit drinking, eat healthy and start doing some light cardio at least

>>40293728 (OP)
I started at 24 and pass perfectly (with no ffs), live in deep stealth and have a husband

I would've probably get more hip growth if I started earlier, but overall after 16-18 it's only about your bone structure mostly.
I was always very feminine (and had dysphoria since 10 y.o.), so it went smoothly for me.
It could go well for you as well, but there is a chance that you would need ffs. Google around for clinics in Asia, Turkey to get a cheaper deal for that.

>>40293728 (OP)
what are you repping exactly? despite what people will tell you, dysphoria is different for everyone, as are everyone's motivations, desires, and identity/selfconception

>>40295727
how would quitting drinking and doing cardio make my hips wider? I'm already underweight.
obviously being an alcoholic is bad, but, like, are you gonna tell me to eat my vegetables next lmao

>>40293728 (OP)
it's not about the age it's about the genetics
plenty of people start post puberty and pass perfectly like 4 years in
plenty of people start at 16/17/18 and never pass
it's just genetics so it doesn't matter what your age is that's irrelevant pretty much to a big extent, what matters is what you look like now and what your genetics were like and etc etc

>>40293728 (OP)
hrt is a meme, if u can’t pass pre hrt u won’t pass after hrt

>>40293728 (OP)
its so over if you start after like 14.
i started at 21.

buyers beware.

>>40295221

>>40296616
no it's about losing that belly fat retard. The more you lose there, the wider your hips will look by comparaison. The point of stopping alcohol is that it is processed liver, so thats where it's calories are stored. Same for refined sugars really.

>>40297148
Is that Thor from PirateSoftware?

>>40297255
no