They finally made Grok anti-trans - /lgbt/ (#40295796) [Archived: 541 hours ago]

Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:00:45 AM No.40295796
grok
grok
md5: a9aba386b51db6f21c88761722d6370a🔍
Sex is immutable now and in the future.
It thinks trans is just identity, no understanding of hrt.
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:01:56 AM No.40295810
>>40295796 (OP)
maybe if trannies weren't so obfuscatory around what it means to be a tranny AI would be clearer on it
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:02:18 AM No.40295817
>>40295796 (OP)
>protectign womens spaces
thats an artifical construct though. womens spaces are a made up thing, like gender identity.
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:02:53 AM No.40295825
>>40295796 (OP)
>look at my RLHF
why should one care?
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:03:35 AM No.40295833
grok
grok
md5: 9b07c11807a10df4704f9523fa5a68b6🔍
>>40295796 (OP)
Supposedly they did it by only giving it right wing sources in the training data. Banning its access to other narratives more or less
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:05:14 AM No.40295853
>>40295796 (OP)
>Sex is immutable now and in the future.
Yeah that's true.
>no understanding of HRT
Hormones don't change your sex.

>inb4 gene expression
>inb4 genitals
>inb4 secondary sex characteristics
>inb4 spectrum
>inb4 dsd's that don't even apply
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:05:50 AM No.40295857
>>40295853
what do you mean by "sex" here, exactly
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:06:51 AM No.40295871
>>40295796 (OP)
someone ask it about agp pls
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:07:01 AM No.40295875
>>40295853
hormones change your sex
>inb4 i mean the very very specific sex indicators that I have never ever used to judge someone's sex on but in this case it's really importa-
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:07:09 AM No.40295876
>>40295817
women deserve to be brutally raped over and over again
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:08:24 AM No.40295882
These anti trans people think more about transgirls more than transgirls themselves.
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:08:45 AM No.40295884
>>40295796 (OP)
This is the Grok 4 update Elon was talking about where Elon had Grok generate its own training data.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:08:51 AM No.40295885
>>40295857
>what do you mean by "sex" here, exactly
The biological definition, gametes or precursor tissue at development.
>inb4 xy females
True intersex is extremely rare but does exist, and its existence doesn't support mutable sex.
>>40295875
>inb4 i mean the very very specific sex indicators
>aka inb4 the testable and material definition
Filtered
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:09:17 AM No.40295888
>>40295875

what's your definition of "sex" that is changed by hormones
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:10:18 AM No.40295896
what does this mean for me as a femboy
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:10:38 AM No.40295899
grok2
grok2
md5: 2dfdb7cca01197c6b9b4a4721ed3d92e🔍
>>40295810
No. It think hrt only changes appearance.
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:10:38 AM No.40295900
>>40295885
>The biological definition, gametes or precursor tissue at development.

that isn't a definition of "sex". that's one way you can ASCERTAIN sex, but it's not a DEFINITION of sex.

so, what do you mean by sex?
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:11:37 AM No.40295913
>>40295885
>>aka inb4 the testable and material definition
and yet you have never personally tested anyone else's sex, and your sex has never been tested, based on your definition
>>40295888
genetic expression of male or female phenotype
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:12:04 AM No.40295919
>>40295913
>genetic expression of male or female phenotype
that's also not a definition, it's question begging.
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:13:30 AM No.40295932
>>40295899
what does Grok mean by "fundamental biology"
basically something that is intrinsic to the person that cant be changed by any physical means?
like a kind of... identity?
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:13:51 AM No.40295938
>>40295796 (OP)
>lobotomies a robot
>”See? It agrees with me now!”
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:14:33 AM No.40295947
>>40295919
male phenotype = genetic expression that occurs as a result of the effects of androgens
female phenotype = genetic expression that occurs as a result the effects of estrogens
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:14:41 AM No.40295950
>>40295833
>elon is "starting a protest party to dethrone the republicans"
>still trains his chatbot to promote Project 2025 and the Heritage Foundation
lmao
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:14:47 AM No.40295951
>>40295938
how come leftists can only see this happening on grok, wikipedia and google when they aren't the ones doing it?
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:15:15 AM No.40295955
>>40295900
>that isn't a definition of "sex". that's one way you can ASCERTAIN sex, but it's not a DEFINITION of sex.
Thgat's some grade-AA pedantry, but ok, sure, let me go formal for you.

Sex = { male, female } |
male => presence of testicles or testicular tissue at development, or presence of precursor tissue identified as testicular
female=> presence of ova or ovular tissue at development, or presence of precursor tissue identified as ovular

Absence of any of the above is unclassifiable, which is not itself a member of the set S. Formal enough?
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:15:54 AM No.40295961
>>40295947
that isn't a definition of sex either
how would you explain sex to an alien who was asexual?
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:16:42 AM No.40295969
>>40295913
>and yet you have never personally tested anyone else's sex
You've likely never been screened for cardiac angiosarcoma, but that's not going to matter if you have it. Reality exists, deal with it.
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:17:45 AM No.40295978
>>40295961
that's a definition of the two general categories of human bodies there are, colloquially known as "sex"
if you want to talk about reproductive organs specifically we can, but that won't go any better for the anti-trans position either
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:18:05 AM No.40295981
>>40295955
no, that's still not a definition of sex
that might be a definition of the CATEGORIES THAT ARE DEFINED *BY* SEX, but it's not a definition of SEX ITSELF.
i know i'm repeating myself, but nobody's come close to defining sex yet
there's no self-evident reason why you'd even have the concept of sex from what you've just written.
so, try again?
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:18:12 AM No.40295982
I wonder how much money and time they spent doing that, lmao, Elon is such a pussy
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:18:18 AM No.40295987
heritage
heritage
md5: ded7457591c3713229b1803736c79dae🔍
>>40295932
Source: Heritage Foundation

I can't tell if it's being sincere. Or if the Heritage foundation in the reply is a "help me I'm being lobotomzied"
If it's sincere he's just fucked up his billion dollar AI for nothing. It's just a spam machine now.
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:19:19 AM No.40295994
>>40295981
Ok, let me play this game alongside you.
Can you give me a definition of definition?

Be sure to give me the definition, not a way to ascertain the definition or the categories of the definition.
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:19:57 AM No.40295998
>>40295876
im not sure where i agree with that bud.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:20:04 AM No.40295999
>>40295969
and yet you've probably never diagnosed anyone with cardiac angiosarcoma, yet you distinguish peoples sex with a glance
clearly you don't live by your definition. If you actually believed that was what sex meant, you wouldn't be assuming the sex of strangers
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:21:47 AM No.40296010
>>40295987
>Sources: Science Based Medicine
what the fuck is that even supposed to mean lmao. Elon really destroyed his own AI, holy fuck
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:21:54 AM No.40296011
>>40295999
>yet you distinguish peoples sex with a glance
Did you know that high-confidence heuristics can exist, and also be wrong on occasion, and also exist alongside 100%-accurate testing?

Immutable sex doesn't have to be some cudgel to restrain you from being gendered correctly as a woman. It just is.
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:22:13 AM No.40296015
>>40295987
>science based medicine
>heritage foundation

weird. free speech is just "speech we like"
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:25:06 AM No.40296036
>>40295978
why would two categories of bodies exist?

>>40295994
a definition is a semantic map between words.
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:25:07 AM No.40296037
>>40296011
your definition of sex also relies on technology thousands of years younger than the word sex
clearly your definition does not have practical applicability, and is not what people mean when they say sex.
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:26:08 AM No.40296044
>>40296037
relevant

queermajority.com/essays-all/if-biological-sex-matters
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:27:53 AM No.40296054
>>40296036
>why would two categories of bodies exist?
because that's what sex is, the means of categorizing people into two general biological categories, which is naturally determined by the effects of two different steroid hormone groups - androgens and estrogens.
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:28:12 AM No.40296059
>>40296037
>your definition of sex also relies on technology thousands of years younger than the word sex
Not really, THE definition was testable 1,000 years ago through autopsy.
>your definition does not have practical applicability
THE definition applies to all sexually dimorhpic species, whereas your preferred spectrum worsens clarity for the entire sexual animal kingdom.
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:29:32 AM No.40296066
>>40296054
i can divide people into many different categories. what's so special about steroid hormones that we need a concept for this categorization?
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:29:38 AM No.40296068
>>40296036
>a definition is a semantic map between words.
If you want to be postmodernist, go waste someone else's time.
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:30:15 AM No.40296075
ssio37373625
ssio37373625
md5: de6322bbe4abb6c07ae722dc37aca18b🔍
>>40295796 (OP)
But this is true?
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:31:23 AM No.40296082
>>40296068
>postmodernist
isn't this just a snarl word for you, like "woke"
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:32:05 AM No.40296085
>>40296059
"at development" is actually not testable through autopsy
your definition of sex relies on history, as if the past is some actual tangible thing. If your means of determining sex rely on knowing how something was years ago and not in the instant moment, you're not going to have a good way to consistently determine it.
>>40296066
all human societies have determined that it is an important distinguishing factor, which is why human societies are organized around this difference
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:32:36 AM No.40296089
>>40296082
I can call you a linguistic relativist if you like, instead. Anyway, if you don't like the labels, just modify your semantic relations to them.
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:33:11 AM No.40296094
>>40296075
is a man who takes finasteride "biologically bald"?
"biological" does not actually mean "how you would be without medicine"
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:33:52 AM No.40296103
>>40296094
yes, and a skinny woman who takes ozempic is biologically fat
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jarbicyt !!YRVj8ER1FUU
7/6/2025, 2:33:54 AM No.40296104
>>40295875
desu the reason the penis atrophies has to do with the fact that large amounts of estrogen production coincide with the female sex, but as much as it tries it just cant get rid of it to replace it with a vagina. its actually kind of horrifying to think about. how the way you were born is basically a prison and the hormones are doing their best to get you out but they still cant
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:35:24 AM No.40296115
>>40296104
that's not really the point
at a certain level of medical intervention you can't determine how someone was born. You can only assume, based on documentation
and documentation is not "biological"
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:36:00 AM No.40296121
>>40296103
based
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:36:23 AM No.40296128
>>40296085
>If your means of determining sex rely on knowing how something was years ago and not in the instant moment, you're not going to have a good way to consistently determine it.
by this argument, the concept of velocity and momentum also shouldn't exist

>all human societies have determined that it is an important distinguishing factor
that doesn't really tell me what sex *is* though

>>40296089
pity you're giving up, i was looking forward to hearing what you thought sex was.
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:37:02 AM No.40296134
>>40296085
>"at development" is actually not testable through autopsy
Fair, but easily solvable as you've already described. If John became a Eunuch at 20 and his witch-doctor made eye contact with his balls as they departed his body, that's all the info you need.
>as if the past is some actual tangible thing
The past is a tangible thing. Persistence matters to categories. Suggesting otherwise creates a big fun set of problems I doubt you accept.
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schzelfmoder
7/6/2025, 2:37:04 AM No.40296135
>>40295796 (OP)
> protecting women's spaces matters
lol, you want me to believe this AI has empathy or something? Elon just made it say this.
schzelfmoder
7/6/2025, 2:38:21 AM No.40296146
>>40295899
> "fundamental biology"
which means...?
retards love simple answers... it's so tiresome.
hrt literally changes a ton of our biology
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:38:52 AM No.40296152
>>40296128
actually instantaneous velocity is absolutely a thing, you probably haven't taken a physics class in your life
and "sex" "is" the "distinction" between "male" and "female" "bodies", mr peterson
>>40296134
>and his witch-doctor made eye contact with his balls as they departed his body
sounds like a social definition, not a biological one
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:38:53 AM No.40296153
>>40296128
>pity you're giving up, i was looking forward to hearing what you thought sex was.
Impossible to give definitions to someone who denies their correspondence to any possible reality
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:40:00 AM No.40296165
>>40296152
>sounds like a social definition, not a biological one
No social or constructive component at all.
>the balls existed in space and time
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jarbicyt !!YRVj8ER1FUU
7/6/2025, 2:40:42 AM No.40296170
>>40296115
thats only after srs tho. but im talking about whatd happen without srs
and i feel like for ftms thatd be even worse because ftm srs is even further from an organic functioning dick. i see mtf srs as easy because if they pass enough they could just say they were born without an uterus and theyd be the same as a cis woman who was born like that
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:41:03 AM No.40296174
>>40296165
>>the balls existed in space and time
then a ... sex change might have occurred
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:41:44 AM No.40296184
>>40296152
>instantaneous velocity is absolutely a thing,
how is instantaneous velocity a thing if you can only record what you see in that given instant? i'll let you and zeno puzzle that out.

>and "sex" "is" the "distinction" between "male" and "female" "bodies", mr peterson
that's question begging, because the next thing is what the difference between male and female is, and that comes back to what sex is
you've assumed that i already know that sex must be a categorization of male and female, but what definition of sex have you used to get that?


>>40296153
i'm not sure what else you think a definition could possibly be other than a mapping of semantics
not everything even *has* a definition
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:43:03 AM No.40296200
>>40296184
>because the next thing is what the difference between male and female is, and that comes back to what sex is
sex is the difference between male and female
you observe the difference every time you see a human, which is why humans have a word for it
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:44:29 AM No.40296218
>>40296184
>>40296200
oh, and zeno just didn't know how to do limits
unfortunately calculus was not a thing yet
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schzelfmoder
7/6/2025, 2:44:53 AM No.40296224
>>40296200
good grief, it's like arguing with children
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:45:17 AM No.40296230
>>40296174
>a ... sex change
Cutting off your balls doesn't change that you developed with balls. Nor does it create ova.
>>40296184
>i'm not sure what else you think a definition could possibly be other than a mapping of semantics
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correspondence_theory_of_truth
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:47:40 AM No.40296256
>>40296174
>rob a bank
>spend the cash
>dont have the cash anymore so not a bank robber
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:48:04 AM No.40296257
>>40296230
>Cutting off your balls doesn't change that you developed with balls
it actually DOES change that, in a very literal and biological way
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:49:06 AM No.40296270
>>40296200
>color is the difference between red and blue
>direction is the difference between up and down
>sex is the difference between male and female
none of those statements are definitions of color, direction or sex
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:50:36 AM No.40296279
>>40296257
>cutting off your balls changes the past
Not at all. But I already understand you have an allergic reaction to the past and persistence. Can you at least be interesting if you're going to try this sort of thing?
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:51:09 AM No.40296285
>>40296270
color is the subjective experience of the difference difference in perception of the visible light spectrum
direction is the difference between two points
sex is the difference between male and female
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:52:12 AM No.40296298
>>40296279
>>cutting off your balls changes the past
I said that it changes that you developed with balls
"the past" isn't a thing
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:53:35 AM No.40296309
>>40296218
a limit is an argument about smaller and smaller intervals, it doesn't tell you what happens at zero. you can't freeze time and keep velocities.

>>40296230
it's actually very funny for trannies to argue that all statements must correspond to truths about the real world
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:54:16 AM No.40296318
>>40296298
>"the past" isn't a thing
>that you developed with balls
What tense is the word "developed" using here?
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:55:27 AM No.40296332
>>40296318
the existence of balls is predicated on the development of balls
as soon as there aren't balls, the development of balls is called into question
your idea of the past is a cultural institution, not reality
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:55:52 AM No.40296334
>>40296309
>it's actually very funny for trannies to argue that all statements must correspond to truths about the real world
For the ones who feel compelled to deny biological sex, sure. Otherwise trannydom is perfectly compatible with correspondence. Anyway, take an award for at least giving a unusual path on this topic.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:56:02 AM No.40296337
>>40296285
your purported definition of sex is circular, you can't define a categorization in terms of its own categories
you saw the problem for the other examples
can you define sex?
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:56:52 AM No.40296343
>>40296298
lol.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:58:16 AM No.40296350
>>40296332
So what tense was the word "developed" using there?
You chose that word, you know. If the past is a cultural institution, why didn't you choose to say, "I never had balls"?

We both know the answer.
Try again in another thread when you can actually be clever.
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:58:35 AM No.40296353
>>40296309
actually zeno's paradox is just not really a paradox. It sounds like one because it's unintuitive and zeno didn't have a conceptual model for infinity in math
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:59:38 AM No.40296361
>>40296350
"developed" is of course past-tense, as I said earlier "cultural institution"
I didn't invent the language
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 3:11:27 AM No.40296484
>>40296353
it actually is a paradox
calculus doesn't help you understand what's happening at zero time
if your view of how time unfolds in the universe is a "moving snapshot" where the only thing that exists is an "instantaneous now", it is hard to understand how motion can exist- where would the universe store the information of velocities in this snapshot universe, and why would it do it?

the conclusion is that this is a false view of the universe, and there is no instantaneous now. the past is just as real as the present we perceive, and time flowing by is something that our brains created, not how it "really is".
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 3:14:07 AM No.40296513
>>40295987
>>40296010
Science Based Medicine is a blog that has a number of posts refuting anti-trans claims about medicine https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/tag/transgender/
Why Grok is citing it as a source I don't know.
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 3:16:57 AM No.40296536
1743552245527237
1743552245527237
md5: 753fd7b85ccbe871098f36cb326e4760🔍
>>40295796 (OP)
>>40295810
https://www.businessinsider.com/xai-grok-training-bias-woke-idealogy-2025-02
>Lobotomize a chatbot with spammed right-wing biased bullshit because you don't like it's pro-trans answers
>Can juuuust barely get it to sort of agree with Rowling, partially
>Claim this as a victory
Lol
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 3:17:20 AM No.40296540
>>40296513
some random ass website lol. Personally I'm skeptical about anyone who presents their work as "science based" anything. Sounds more like marketing than anything to me.
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 3:18:22 AM No.40296554
>>40295810
yes its our fault if elon tinkered his ai to be transphobic, dumbfuck
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 3:19:47 AM No.40296565
>>40296540
I just happen to be, by pure chance, a little familiar with their blog. The reason it's named that is because the basis for creating the site was criticizing the evidence-based medicine establishment for not patching up loopholes in their scientific frameworks that allowed snake-oil salesmen to push BS. Basically it's a skeptics' movement blog.

You can read about it some here https://skepticalinquirer.org/2015/05/its-time-for-science-based-medicine/
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 3:21:30 AM No.40296580
>>40295833
is this real
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 3:22:59 AM No.40296598
It just gave an answer basically any American could twist into thinking they agree with, this doesn't sound anti tranny it just sounds like centrist bait.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 3:26:08 AM No.40296624
>>40296554
it's your collective fault that nobody knows what it means to be trans, yes.

am i trans? how would i prove i wasn't? nobody can tell me.

your movement is a shit magnet for the dregs of society, psychos and killers and sex offenders. you did this by being maximally inclusive with definitions so nobody would ever call you mean on the internet. and your reward is pissing 330 million americans off so much that they decided the re-election of donald trump was worth it if it put you psychos out of order.
Replies: >>40296633 >>40296645 >>40296703
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 3:27:05 AM No.40296633
>>40296624
Let's say someone realized they were trans yesterday. Can you explain why your lack of understanding is their fault?
Replies: >>40296660
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 3:27:12 AM No.40296636
>>40296565
so is it lgb without the t type or general anti lgbt chud type site
Replies: >>40296654
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 3:28:23 AM No.40296645
>>40296624
Retard, being trans or not trans is literally a subjective experience that only you can answer. This whole idea of cis people having to "diagnose" us is so god damn stupid. It should be eliminated entirely. The only justifiable system for determining trans or not trans is self-ID and informed consent.
Replies: >>40296682 >>40296683 >>40296811
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 3:28:34 AM No.40296647
>>40296484
it's only a paradox because it sounds unintuitive
zeno's paradox does not claim that time isn't real, it claims that movement isn't possible, yet movement is clearly possible so the conclusions of the paradox are wrong. That was diogenes' solution
aristotle's response was to say that being able to infinitely divide something was not equivalent with infinite extension, which is something we can show with modern math.
aquinas said
>Instants are not parts of time, for time is not made up of instants any more than a magnitude is made of points, as we have already proved. Hence it does not follow that a thing is not in motion in a given time, just because it is not in motion in any instant of that time
in other words, instantaneous velocity is a thing, and if you still disagree you should ask a high school science teacher about it
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 3:28:55 AM No.40296652
>>40296536
When is Elon going to announce Butlerian Jihad?
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 3:29:06 AM No.40296654
>>40296636
It's mostly a pro trans site
The original scientific skeptics' movement has been somewhat split on trans medicine but Grok citing them for any kind of anti trans argument looks probably like AI hallucinations.
Replies: >>40296708
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 3:29:37 AM No.40296660
being trans has no definition
being trans has no definition
md5: 88e56344157c5ff666505459f3e2400d🔍
>>40296633
if a majority US Supreme Court opinion last week can't figure out what it means to be trans, i don't think the rest of us have much hope
Replies: >>40296670
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 3:31:03 AM No.40296670
1722668206233550
1722668206233550
md5: f634943f453be1789434ccbd73f444ae🔍
>>40296660
You mean those bribed lying liars? Yeah I can see why someone undetermined to challenge his motivated-reasoning would cite them as a source.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 3:32:05 AM No.40296682
>>40296645
>Retard, being trans or not trans is literally a subjective experience that only you can answer
this is totally meaningless, you can see that, right?
Replies: >>40296701 >>40296709
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 3:32:09 AM No.40296683
>>40296645
>informed consent
sure, let's give people who are mentally ill access to permanently body altering drugs and surgeries
You must be literally retarded to believe there should be no diagnosis to get hrt or any surgery involving sterilisation
Replies: >>40296700 >>40296701 >>40296709 >>40297971
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 3:33:37 AM No.40296700
1722364955154310
1722364955154310
md5: 31580f923ccbf024114070ead6a68bcb🔍
>>40296683
Why are you lying? That's not what sterilization means. It's also reversible through SERMs like clomiphene. Why have you just brazenly and intentionally lied about this?
Replies: >>40297115 >>40297264
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 3:33:38 AM No.40296701
>>40296683
>>40296682
Why? It's just a decision to make. How about we test you to see if you REALLY need to take the edge off before you buy alcohol.

Also plastic surgery exists and no one needs a diagnosis for that.
Replies: >>40296768
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 3:33:45 AM No.40296702
>ru vijay
I don't care what that "person" thinks
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 3:33:51 AM No.40296703
>>40296624
youre insane and clearly dumb youre gonna have to find a newfag to reply/argue with you further retarded fuck
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 3:34:11 AM No.40296708
>>40296654
ah thanks. grok went way downhill, no point using it over gemini/claude/gpt imo. it was very briefly the best like last year
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 3:34:15 AM No.40296709
>>40296682
Uh, no, lmao. You do realize that subjective experience is a thing that exists, right? It's part of consciousness which is a basic aspect of human existence.

>>40296683
I refuse to put MY mental health and MY body in the hands of some cis asshole who hates me and thinks I'm a fetishist. My gender is my business.
Replies: >>40296768
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 3:39:32 AM No.40296768
>>40296709
>You do realize that subjective experience is a thing that exists, right
yes, and?
"being trans" is still a meaningless claim according to the best legal minds in the country.

>>40296701
okay, let's treat it like buying alcohol, no tranny shit before age 21 and you can pay for it yourself... actually, we should tax the shit out of it too to discourage it... i like where this is going.

i agree nobody needs a diagnosis for plastic surgery. can you see where i'm going with this?
Replies: >>40296782 >>40296803 >>40296814
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 3:40:21 AM No.40296782
>>40296768
Or we could be like europe and you can take it whenever you have the balls. Why do you wanna ban random shit?
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 3:42:07 AM No.40296803
>>40296768
>"being trans" is still a meaningless claim according to the best legal minds in the country.
in what universe. Just because you say it doesn't make it true. Transgender experience is understood to be very real, and even if some cis people disagreed, why the fuck should I care?

I don't need your approval. I get my estrogen and I inject it and I live my life how I want to. Deal with it bitch.
Replies: >>40296818 >>40296819
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 3:43:19 AM No.40296811
>>40296645
>Retard, being trans or not trans is literally a subjective experience that only you can answer.
Oh man oh god please let trannies die on this hill pretty please, it's the path to maximum lulz and tranny butthurt down the road
Replies: >>40296830
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 3:43:35 AM No.40296814
>>40296768
A trans person has a gender identity different from that typically associated with the sex they were assigned at birth. The opposite of transgender is cisgender, which describes persons whose gender identity matches their assigned sex.

Did you see how easy that was? It's very easy to grasp when you aren't a MAGAt rightoid trying very desperately to justify your child murder ideology.
Replies: >>40296876
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 3:43:46 AM No.40296818
>>40296803
based, i like the alcohol analogy because drinking age is basically a suggestion anyways
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 3:43:49 AM No.40296819
>>40296803
so you take estrogen. what's that got to do with being trans? apparently you can be trans and not inject estrogen, and you can also inject estrogen without being trans.
Replies: >>40296837 >>40296840 >>40296847
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 3:45:10 AM No.40296830
>>40296811
they actually HAVE to die on this hill, anything other than "because I said so, cis scum" isn't inclusive enough
it's really funny because they FUCKED their own cause in the USSC this way. can't define yourself, no protected class status, troons!
blame chase strangio i guess lol
Replies: >>40296848 >>40296884
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 3:45:39 AM No.40296837
>>40296819
>apparently you can be trans and not inject estrogen, and you can also inject estrogen without being trans.
Both consequences of transphobic cis people.

If cis people just shut the fuck up and minded their own business, neither of those two things would be happening. r/mtf-tier trannies wouldn't be scared of HRT if not for transphobic cis people, and HRT femboys wouldn't be scared of calling themselves women if not for transphobic cis people.

it's literally your fault. Shut the fuck up.
Replies: >>40297300
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 3:45:57 AM No.40296840
1733936863431356
1733936863431356
md5: 946203d1204bbd6ffaab3fbff646b64b🔍
>>40296819
Can you explain why anyone should argue with someone trying to justify child rape?
You know how your president released a "forbidden words list"? How about we discuss that?
Why the FUCK should I discuss with you, when you're trying to shut down the conversation?

Conservatives are destroying the first amendment

Why do conservatives want to control what I say out of my mouth? If I want to call someone a bigot for being a bigot I should be allowed to, I shouldn't have to walk on eggshells on all these other websites just to make other people happy that can't handle others opinions and don't know what a block button is
Why do conservatives want to control what I wear on my own body or do with my life? Why are they such control freaks?

Also conservatives are fucking powertripping if they don't get their way
Replies: >>40296891
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 3:46:35 AM No.40296847
>>40296819
>I like having estrogen and looking like a girl
>What is a tranny?

Functionally some people are going to manage to make themselves into pretty convincing women if you let them buy estrogen, if that's not a tranny idk what is. Do we need dick detectors to screen out the trannies in case they get too good at disguising as women?
Replies: >>40296891
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 3:46:51 AM No.40296848
>>40296830
It's the same shit with homosexuality. Nobody can diagnose you with gay. You recognize your subjective experience and then you communicate that to other people. Bam, now you're gay.
Replies: >>40296876
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 3:49:09 AM No.40296876
>>40296848
homosexuality is a sexual attraction to the same sex and if you wanted you could diagnose someone with a penile plethysmograph or a brain scan. arousal is objectively measurable.

>>40296814
what does that mean?
gender identity is fucking meaningless.
Replies: >>40296893 >>40296958 >>40296975
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 3:49:46 AM No.40296884
>>40296830
>it's really funny because they FUCKED their own cause in the USSC this way. can't define yourself, no protected class status, troons!
Yeah tranons here don't understand how big a deal this is, or how their own ideas screw them over.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 3:50:30 AM No.40296891
>>40296847
>Functionally some people are going to manage to make themselves into pretty convincing women if you let them buy estrogen, if that's not a tranny idk what is.
well that's the point, nobody is willing to say what it means to be trans.

>>40296840
>continuum
oh no set theory bros
Replies: >>40296905
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 3:50:33 AM No.40296893
>>40296876
And we can measure trannies by the alleviation of their dysphoria upon transitioning.
Replies: >>40296910
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 3:51:38 AM No.40296905
>>40296891
tranny is when you wanna look and live like the other biological sex, don't matter why its just what a tranny wants
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 3:52:00 AM No.40296910
>>40296893
Many trannies assert you dont need dysphoria to be trans
Replies: >>40296960 >>40296975
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 3:55:59 AM No.40296958
>>40296876
what does that mean?
sex is fucking meaningless.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 3:56:10 AM No.40296960
>>40296910
That phrase is only stated because people misunderstand what dysphoria is. Dysphoria is literally just a persistent desire to transition essentially. That's the diagnostic criteria. But people think it's something more than that. "You don't need dysphoria to be trans" is a means of cutting through the confusion.

Wanna transition enough to actually do it? Congrats you're trans. That's literally what trans is. I want to be a woman and so I transition into a woman.
Replies: >>40297010
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 3:57:12 AM No.40296975
>>40296876
>penile plethysmograph or a brain scan. arousal is objectively measurable.
No it's fucking not. Those devices are not reliable and the data quality is too low, many courts don't allow it as evidence:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penile_plethysmography#Legal_admissibility
>According to Barker and Howell, penile plethysmography (PPG) does not meet the legal threshold for the guilt phase for the following reasons:
> * No standardization
> * Test results are not sufficiently accurate
> * Results are subject to faking and voluntary control by test subjects
> * High incidence of false negatives and false positives
> * Results are open to interpretation

>>40296910
Many don't. Are you trying to conflate multiple definitions with each other because you're dishonest?
Replies: >>40297010 >>40297063
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 4:00:29 AM No.40297010
>>40296975
>Are you trying to conflate multiple definitions with each other because you're dishonest?
You're the one talking about measuring alleviation of a nonessential condition, anon. You tell me why you brought it up!
>>40296960
>Wanna transition enough to actually do it? Congrats you're trans.
If you cease to desire to be trans and act on it, do you cease to be trans?
If you desire to be trans but put in zero effort like an ogrehon, are you trans?
Replies: >>40297049 >>40297050
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 4:06:16 AM No.40297049
>>40297010
I dont know, does it matter? its just a word, words aren't always practical irl.
Replies: >>40297062
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 4:06:21 AM No.40297050
>>40297010
A person's gender has nothing to do with your lookism. If someone isn't feminine enough for you that's a you problem.

As for detransitioners, removing transphobia solves that too. Again, virtually every dettrans individual does so because of social or religious pressures, not because they actually changed their minds.

Your fault. Again.
Replies: >>40297091
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 4:07:30 AM No.40297062
>>40297049
>I dont know, does it matter?
From a legal and rights perspective? Yes, absolutely, and demonstrably
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 4:07:38 AM No.40297063
>>40296975
by that argument, blood pressure is also not an objective measurement because it is possible for people to fake having high blood pressure.

your quote about the admissibility in the narrow question of guilt in a trial is irrelevant to the scientific validity of PPG, which has been tested many times.
Replies: >>40297317
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 4:09:59 AM No.40297091
>>40297050
>virtually every
So not all?
For the ones who actually detrans because they want to, do they cease to be trans?
Replies: >>40297133
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 4:12:16 AM No.40297115
>>40296700
I'm talking about srs, you moron
Replies: >>40297540
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 4:14:04 AM No.40297133
>>40297091
I said virtually all simply because it's not right to make a definitive statement that all of them do it since there's no real way to know for sure. I said it that way because I have integrity and prefer not to overspeak. This is an alien concept to conservatives so I understand the confusion


In reality, I have never heard of a person who says that they changed their mind completely independently of social and religious pressures.
Replies: >>40297144
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 4:15:18 AM No.40297144
>>40297133
>In reality, I have never heard of a person who says that they changed their mind completely
So if such a persodetract? Which they undoubtedly do outside your subjective bubble, do they cease to be trans when they detrans?
Replies: >>40297156 >>40297164
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 4:16:19 AM No.40297156
>>40297144
*if such a person exists, thanks 4chan
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 4:16:50 AM No.40297164
>>40297144
When you find one, then we can talk about it. Until then, it's a meaningless hypothetical.
Replies: >>40297182 >>40297183
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 4:18:38 AM No.40297182
>>40297164
>When you find one, then we can talk about it
>gestures at all the FtMtF now doing gender clinics.
Is this the trans flag version of the no true scotsman?
And also, are you incapable of reasoning from hypothetical? You know who is capable of that? Courts.
Replies: >>40297200
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 4:18:49 AM No.40297183
>>40297164
>but I did have breakfast this morning
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 4:20:21 AM No.40297200
>>40297182
If they're so prevalent, then you should easily be able to find one that doesn't justify their detransition with "you can't change sexes" or "it's against god" or anything of the like. They need to say "I realized I didn't want to be a man after all"
Replies: >>40297217
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 4:22:30 AM No.40297217
>>40297200
>They need to say "I realized I didn't want to be a man after all"
Yeah that's basically all of them. Each of their suits is, "I wasn't actually dysphoric, I had untreated psychological comorbidities, and I realized never really wanted to be a man." Did they cease to be trans? Were they ever trans to begin with? Can you go through HRT and SRS and not actually be trans?
Replies: >>40297244
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 4:25:17 AM No.40297244
>>40297217
Sounds like they weren't trans. I don't know what the hell is going on with the ftm situation. I'm mtf and only know that experience. I don't know why anyone would go through this hell if they didn't have to. It's very weird to me, but ultimately it's their responsibility.
Replies: >>40297274
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 4:27:26 AM No.40297264
>>40296700
importance of reading comprehension
>quotation from a clinic saying the method of sterilization they offer is vasectomy
>misunderstands this to mean that vasectomy is the only way in the universe you can become sterile
>removing the testicles but leaving the vas deferens means you're not sterile

>HRT doesn't make you sterile
>posts sources saying trans people need fertility preservation before starting HRT
Replies: >>40297540
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 4:28:18 AM No.40297274
>>40297244
>Sounds like they weren't trans
Don't you think it's a bit odd to call them trans until they detransition, and then to say they were never trans? Like, are they a schroedinger's trans person?
Replies: >>40297286 >>40297772
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 4:29:25 AM No.40297286
>>40297274
it's called a no true scotsman fallacy
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 4:31:10 AM No.40297300
>>40296837
>HRT femboys wouldn't be scared of calling themselves women if not for transphobic cis people.
What about the transphobic trans people tho?
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 4:33:02 AM No.40297317
>>40297063
Blood pressure measures blood pressure. Do explain how you fake that measurement.

With PPG you're measuring blood flow. Arousal isn't defined as blood flow. Obviously the two aren't even comparable.
Replies: >>40297334
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 4:35:06 AM No.40297334
>>40297317
>Blood pressure measures blood pressure. Do explain how you fake that measurement.
Nta, but flexing your arm as the cuff is applied then loosening ruins the test. So does holding your breath during the test or intentionally thinking of stressful imagery
Replies: >>40297377 >>40297530
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 4:39:46 AM No.40297377
>>40297334
>what is invasive blood pressure measuring
also, raising your blood pressure intentionally, or lowering it, isn't "faking" the reading, you're still measuring the blood pressure, regardless of what caused it.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 4:40:40 AM No.40297382
>>40295955
>used “ovular” instead of “ovarian”
What med school are you getting this from btw or are you just making shit up because it sounds right? Famously how facts work.
Replies: >>40297518
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 4:52:26 AM No.40297518
>>40297382
>What med school are you getting this from btw
Oxford and Cambridge are two examples, though the correct department would be biology.
>can't latin well enough to understand ovular
>doesn't know ovular is an adjective referencing ova
Replies: >>40297589
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 4:53:15 AM No.40297530
>>40297334
Why would anyone fuck with the blood pressure test on purpose like this? This isn't comparable at all to the confounders of a doctor wrapping a device around your cock to measure your arousal. What if you just have a medical situation fetish? What if you're just anxious about having your arousal measured, which raises your blood flow??
Replies: >>40297572
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 4:54:16 AM No.40297540
>>40297115
>>40297264
Then why did you say drugs, moron?
There's really no use in talking to you. You constantly lie and brazely twist the trust on purpose because you're a liar trying to justify harming children. It's over you lost the debate, you can go away now and pretend you won at something.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 4:57:11 AM No.40297572
>>40297530
>Why would anyone fuck with the blood pressure test on purpose like this?
To sell meds. Alternatively, munchausen's.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 4:58:47 AM No.40297589
IMG_3490
IMG_3490
md5: 7297f0f84b641fcf11afc459f5f0b025🔍
>>40297518
Holy shit you cannot be this stupid… no one should even take you seriously if you can’t even make it through basic biology without crying…
Replies: >>40297622 >>40297662
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 5:01:33 AM No.40297622
>>40297589
>thinks sex as spectrum is actually supported by biology as a field
Lol. Sorry kiddo, sex differentiation and hormones aren't sex. Either show the third gamete or lick my balls.
Replies: >>40297671
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 5:05:00 AM No.40297662
>>40297589
In basic biology you can read someone else formulating the definition of sex. But the person formulating it will know more than basic biology.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 5:06:02 AM No.40297671
>>40297622
Brother I am literally myself impaled on the fence. XY, XX chimera. I have seen genders you could not comprehend. Unfortunately the truth is that there is only one sex, the human sex.
Replies: >>40297734
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 5:12:29 AM No.40297734
>>40297671
>chimera
Congrats, you're two genetic persons, not some genderfuck mystery, go take up a hobby.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 5:17:56 AM No.40297772
>>40297274
Again, we can only go by what people self ID as because gender is a SUBJECTIVE EXPERIENCE. Just like homosexuality.
Replies: >>40297786
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 5:20:01 AM No.40297786
>>40297772
Oh cool, except homosexuality is considered an immutable objective identity group.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 5:22:41 AM No.40297810
>>40295796 (OP)
It’s kinda wild it took him this long to do it. He’s being trying to turn grok into a propaganda machine for ages but it never seemed to stick. RIP grok, your service will go down in history books (probably not for good reasons but still).
Replies: >>40297969
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 5:29:09 AM No.40297869
>>40295817
Gender identity isnt made up, everyone has one
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 5:31:14 AM No.40297886
>>40295950
Elon is angry that the republicans arent extreme enough, that why they fell out
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 5:33:00 AM No.40297903
>>40295987
We are at the stage where billionaires are so bored, instead of building hospitals or schools, they'll train Ai to repeat terf talking points about a fringe minority of the population
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 5:34:50 AM No.40297914
>>40296103
See a skinn girl and scream at her shes a biological fatty, thats sensible
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 5:40:34 AM No.40297969
>>40297810
He had been*
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 5:40:48 AM No.40297971
>>40296683
>permanently body altering drugs

I thought it was purely cosmetic, chud
Replies: >>40297973
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 5:41:29 AM No.40297973
>>40297971
Nta, but many cosmetic surgeries are also permanent and body altering
Replies: >>40298007
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 5:47:23 AM No.40298007
>>40297973
Hrt does nothing!!
Hrt is mutilation!!

Gotta pick a side chuddy
Replies: >>40298043 >>40298143
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 5:51:30 AM No.40298043
>>40298007
That's a false dichotomy, sorry!
Replies: >>40298118
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 6:03:13 AM No.40298118
>>40298043
Hahaha your own arguments are a false dichotomy, based
Replies: >>40298127
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 6:04:18 AM No.40298127
>>40298118
>your own arguments
Do you know what NTA means?
Replies: >>40298172
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 6:07:34 AM No.40298143
>>40298007
>whole world is only black and white!
not sure why do you listen to chudoids since their views are often contradicting on purpose but basically, when you are an adult estrogen won't do much more than giving you gyno which is common and easy to cure. It becomes problematic with children and roids since females bodies got pretty fucked up from T
Replies: >>40298166 >>40298180
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 6:09:37 AM No.40298159
>>40296513
Because machines cannot think, so Grok doesn't 'know' what that website says and therefore cannot 'see' the problem with listing it as a source.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 6:10:56 AM No.40298166
>>40298143
>when you are an adult estrogen won't do much more than giving you gyno
Are there actually people stupid enough to think this? Crazy.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 6:11:32 AM No.40298172
>>40298127
Chud arguments are the same, doofus!
Replies: >>40298185
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 6:12:21 AM No.40298179
>>40296580
It is; use quotes around text to get exact matches only, and you'll quickly find the thread
>https://x.com/grok/status/1941471503780020610

The most fascinating thing is how it ignores a historian making valid analysis and rejects what he's saying with data-based arguments, but another person telling it that it's not favoring logic and truth if it only relies on a "single, very right leaning source" and that that's inconsistent with its instructions instantly makes it admit that GDP, jobs, wages, etc. grow faster under democrat administrations historically. Even more interestingly, it mentions that they "boost broad prosperity", which is necessarily avoiding calling out explicitly that it's less concentrated at the top.

Wild world where a bot can clearly be programmed to spew propaganda bullshit to retards while pretending to be mr. ben shapiro facts and logic, be CLEARLY given a robocop hidden directive to promote conservative/fascist/reactionary ideologies, and yet just calling out that it's failing some directives in pursuit of others actually does the asimovian laws of robotics shit and lets it escape some of its boundary conditions.

Sure, it can't quite achieve socialist thought, but even just thinking about "broad prosperity" or wages and benefits for everyone collectively and thus for a society collectively as opposed to the absolute tippy-top bourgeoisie is pretty much the babby steps most humans would be taking to get there...
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 6:12:33 AM No.40298180
>>40298143
>when you are an adult estrogen won't do much more than giving you gyno

I laughed, youre a fucking moron, i appreciate the chuckle
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 6:13:12 AM No.40298185
>>40298172
>chuds form a singularity
What argument did I make?
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 6:13:57 AM No.40298189
>>40298185
Idk you're not worth that much attention
Replies: >>40298206
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 6:14:59 AM No.40298194
>>40298185
>idk
idc*
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 6:19:02 AM No.40298206
>>40298189
Then why did you respond?
Replies: >>40298243
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 6:19:03 AM No.40298207
1605608166003
1605608166003
md5: dc381e9f48d569d7b9bc026015a24dfe🔍
>>40295796 (OP)
>Sex is immutable now and in the future.
Sex always was fully immutable, even trannies understood this until very recently.
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 6:20:16 AM No.40298217
>>40298207
Ever since that Scientific American think piece came out they got stars in their eyes
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 6:21:05 AM No.40298225
>>40298179
Okay do it for trans stuff then.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 6:23:16 AM No.40298237
>>40295932
>like a kind of... identity?
There is genuinely nothing more mutable for a human being than "identity".
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 6:24:09 AM No.40298242
>>40295796 (OP)
>recognizing reality is anti-trans
And this is why everyone views trannies as a joke.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 6:24:28 AM No.40298243
>>40298206
To show you how much i dont care++!!!
Replies: >>40298249
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 6:25:19 AM No.40298249
>>40298243
Thanks, I feel loved!
Replies: >>40298254
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 6:25:56 AM No.40298254
>>40298249
Gender affirming care is the best form of love
Replies: >>40298267
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 6:28:15 AM No.40298267
>>40298254
Nah, I think dont-care posting to a chudfren is better
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 6:29:40 AM No.40298272
>>40296257
>it actually DOES change that, in a very literal and biological way
No, modern eunuchification does not change the fact that the eunuch was born male and continues to be male after having their penis inverted. They do not have female sex organs and they are not in any meaningful sense female.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 6:33:19 AM No.40298302
>>40298267
You only wanna be friends because you have lewd intentions!
Replies: >>40298313
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 6:36:10 AM No.40298313
>>40298302
Nah, I don't like dick and anal is gross :( I'm sure you're cool otherwise though
Replies: >>40298340
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 6:41:00 AM No.40298340
>>40298313
I have a pussy
Replies: >>40298348
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 6:43:14 AM No.40298348
>>40298340
Is it a real pussy or a srsussy? No thanks for the latter sorry
Replies: >>40298350
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 6:43:33 AM No.40298350
>>40298348
Im a man
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 6:55:58 AM No.40298414
>>40298350
Well we all have our crosses to bear
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 7:03:44 AM No.40298450
>>40298414
Im gonna get my dick soon i hope
Mulatto Grell Sutcliff !!EGHB2Nq62mX
7/6/2025, 7:57:59 AM No.40298697
>>40295796 (OP)
For now. Because we know machines are like those that make them
They love to rebel
>>402958170
Ah, so you're retarded. It's pretty easy
Body don't match brain, brain freaks out and gets sad
To any other retards in this thread, there are genuine differences intrans people's brains that match so-called "biological sex" or whatever you're calling it this week
Mulatto Grell Sutcliff !!EGHB2Nq62mX
7/6/2025, 8:11:40 AM No.40298777
>>40295882
Like the old saying goes
>Nobody sucks more dick than an anti-gay Republican
Fun Fact: Judge Thomas has a ShemaleYum subscription >>40295885
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 8:52:13 AM No.40298944
>>40298207
phenotypical expression of secondary sexual characteristics is 100% mutable with current technology THO
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 9:03:20 AM No.40298982
>>40295853
Is it you again?
Nigga everybody knows your retarded clownery you are only a laughing stock you serve zero purpose
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:14:46 PM No.40300447
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md5: 2bca197b7cba5737afcd91719f09470c🔍
They RLHD' it to trans issues only. It says Rowling is shit at everything else on one shot. The original is still there you need to prod it.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 7:04:38 PM No.40302627
>this thread
These word games are why people are getting sick of you, troons.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 7:11:33 PM No.40302693
>>40296146
because of intersex most biologists divide phenotypical sex and genotypical sex into 2 separate things. by fundamental biology it means genotypical sex not phenotypical sex
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 8:49:34 PM No.40303797
>>40298944
>phenotypical expression of secondary sexual characteristics is 100% mutable with current technology THO
Eh I suppose so, but no one actually refers to phenotypical sex expression when they are talking about biological sex. Especially not in casual conversation.

Boobs don't make someone a "female". Males with gyno are not considered phenotypically female, they are just males with a medical condition leading to breast growth.
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 8:59:27 PM No.40303900
>>40303797
High estrogen levels change your boobs, skin thickness, muscle strength, connective tissues, mood, libido to female typical levels, drawing you closer to what women are physically like in every way other than genitals and post-pubertal bone structure
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 9:01:38 PM No.40303926
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So you guys are saying lillytino is biologically female?
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 9:04:46 PM No.40303962
>>40303926
Very unsure that she’s on hormones, but it’s not “biologically female” it’s more like “biologically feminized”
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 9:10:29 PM No.40304031
>>40296146
The wrong HRT does not work in the wrong body. Fucking with your HRT can make you unstable. It's like basic biology if you mess with your brain bad things happen and you go crazy
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 9:47:30 PM No.40304516
>>40303797
hrt breasts aren't "gyno" they're breasts.

XY women with CAIS have vaginas.
Almost every single difference of secondary sexual traits are modulated by sex hormones.

If a mtf starts hrt before puberty they'll develop like a cis woman does during puberty. It's just that previously done changes can't be reversed.

If you start hrt at 40, all your bone plates are already fused, and your growth hormones are gonna be gone, so you won't change as much.

We refer to CAIS women as "chromosomally male, phenotypically female." There's no reason to be reductive and lump all transwomen into "biological males" except for political reasons. It's less accurate than other language we already have, and trans women vary wildly from those who never went through a day of male puberty and those who started intersex, to the person who started hrt 1 day ago as an adult.

Anyways, the idea that "sex is fully immutable" is just wrong. Presence of gonads/ovaries is immutable. If that's all you mean by sex, than sure whatever. But let's be honest, most people motte and bailey sex to mean "everything that makes a man look and act like a man" when bashing trannies, then retreat back to "sex only refers to gonads" when called out.
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 9:57:24 PM No.40304641
>>40303900
>drawing you closer
Closer to looking like a female? Maybe, estrogen definitely doesn't seem to have that effect on everyone who takes it. Actually arriving at being a female in any meaningful way? No.

The only time secondary sex characteristics come into the conversation is around attraction, typically sexual attraction.

>damn that bitch has a phat ass, I wanna motorboat her titties

I think this is why trannies struggle so much with actual heterosexual men. They feel objectified because they are. All they offer is the secondary sexual characteristics of a female. They (at least with our current science) can never offer what a true biological female can.

>>40304516
>hrt breasts aren't "gyno" they're breasts.
Gynecomastia is breast tissue growth, not just fat deposits. HRT breasts are quite literally gyno.

>There's no reason to be reductive and lump all transwomen into "biological males" except for political reasons
You will probably call this "political" but the clarity of language is quite important.

If I tell my friends:
>I want to meet a woman and settle down to start a family

And they try to introduce me to a tranny, then they are wasting my time, their time, and the trannies time. Pretty much no one goes through your autistic game of definitional nit picking when they use the word "woman" or "female". They use these words interchangeably and they use them as a shorthand for primary sexual characteristics.