okay we HAVE to stop those pesky FTMs...
they are turning all the straight men GAY! >.<

Ah yes, straight men into ftm. Classic ruse

>>40301280 (OP)
i don't agree with any of this discourse...
if someone has medically transitioned to the point that they now have a mix of both sex charactetistics and you have sex with them, you're bi or pan to me.

it's a guy with a pussy or a girl with a dick (pre-srs)... these are inherently "in between" states, calling it straight or gay is not nuanced enough imo

>>40301481
Trvke

>>40301481
2.19%

>>40301535
wat

>>40301280 (OP)
We need more straight men turning gay ftms straight

>>40301481
I don't think calling it bi or pan is right either, truth is all these labels are too rigid. If someone would only bone trannies and women and no men then they're effectively straight

>>40301548
women with dicks are 2.19% gay

>>40301481
not really. if you're only attached to dick but are otherwise gynephilic you're not bisexual. you're low on the kinsey scale anyway
this is the "drop of blood" mindset where unless you're comically straight or gay (never hugged a man, don't vomit at the sight of breasts, etc.) you're disowned from the pure LG race is pretty annoying. you clearly just want to sweep people under the rug the moment they don't fit within your propaganda.

>>40301280 (OP)
Afabs are so slow, it's sad.

>>40301481
so is st4t straight or bi?

>>40301562
i have a dick and i'm not going to pretend it's "straight" for a man to want to touch it, sorry.
>>40301572
> margin of error 97.81%
>>40301581
if you like dick and pussy you are bisexual. maybe not biromantic but you're bisexual to me.
> this is the "drop of blood" mindset where unless you're comically straight or gay (never hugged a man, don't vomit at the sight of breasts, etc.) you're disowned from the pure LG race is pretty annoying. you clearly just want to sweep people under the rug the moment they don't fit within your propaganda.
dude what i'm just tired of chasers insisting to me they aren't "gay" immediately before or after asking to suck me off, it's incredibly silly.

>>40301562
>"your labels are stupid and too rigid!"
>"use my rigid labels instead, they are more self-flattering!"
narcissism

>>40301609
if i were to date an ftm i would say it's bi on both of our parts, or just say "queer" if that bothers them...
i don't think there is the option of being "straight" for me unless i got srs then maybe it kind of makes sense... but as is, with tits, a dick and a womanly body... whoever is attracted to me clearly likes a bit of "both".

as other anons have alluded to - and i agree - these labels center cis people, so it's pretty difficult to squeeze ourselves into them.

personally, i'm more interested in the actual live sexual dynamic with someone than what it's called by cishet society... but far too many people come to me wanting sex and want to tell me about these labels... i don't really care at some point... sex is sex, words are just poor attempts at description or categorization that will never fully capture that experience

>>40301661
are t4t transbians bi too?

>>40301647
>what is an example of the flaws here
the argument was for use of the kinsey scale instead of rigid labels which are ineffective at describing it, are you retarded?

>>40301280 (OP)
Straight men when they see a pooner:
>i NEED insane girl pussy!!!!

>>40301670
idk why my pov is confusing
if you're attracted to sexual characteristics of both sexes you're bisexual, if i am to subscribe wholeheartedly to these dichotomies.

preferably, we'd come up with better terms that describe our sexuality with more accuracy, but then there'd be too many to learn for the poor straights who think 5 is too many

>>40301738
but they're both the same you have to acknowledge it as either lesbianism or 2 gay men

>>40301280 (OP)
I seriously just feel bad for these types. How do they lack self awareness so badly?

>>40301280 (OP)

>>40301752
attracted to tits and dick is not gay or lesbian
gays don't like tits and lesbians don't like dick

these are just labels and definitions, i don't like them to begin with - but if we are to use them as intended, i think that's what we end up with.

personally i'd rather someone i want to sleep with know that i'm submissive at first until i know they want me then i can be a switch, i love giving oral etc... whether it's L G or B i don't really give a fuck because i'm in the "T" group anyway

>>40301817
but like 2 transbians are not in a bisexual relationship

>>40301833
two straight males in a homosexual relationship

>>40301850
not the tripfag i was talking to but at least that's logically consistent

>>40301833
both, or one of them are attracted to tits & dick...
if they've both had srs maybe you can argue it's lesbian
gay men don't have - and aren't attracted to - breasts and otherwise feminine bodies

>>40301865
they have both the same gender and sex it's not bisexual no matter how many times you say "tits and dick" like if a dude has gyno is he suddenly cursed to be bi too

>>40301877
define gender, sex and sexuality and you'll have the answer

>>40301877
you don't seem to be understanding my pov and rather than trying to you're just getting upset
yes, a guy with gyno will be better off with a bisexual woman (or man) who loves his titties and dick

>>40302139
i understand your pov you think tits and dick make people bi but that doesn't actually make sense :/

>>40302139
there's a straight dude and he's completely normal, completely straight but one day he develops gynecomastia and all of the sudden it's like his girlfriend loves eating pussy. i mean you're not actually being fr rn

>>40301810
trans men can't top with phallos they're soft and squishy and won't go in. they're for looks only.

>>40302170
i've had countless DMs from men who say they're "straight" and want to suck my dick, anon.
i immediately ghost them.
"straight" is a social construct men use to police eachother's behavior like highschool meangirls.
>>40302198
straight women don't want to suck my tits

>>40302237
?

>>40302239
>straight women don't want to suck my tits
cuz they're straight and not bi that adds up

>>40302237
That's what the balls are for (inflation)