>Hello everyone, I'm 37yo AMAB married with wife and kids seeking non-binary surgical options, particularly vulvoplasty
>I have not come out to anyone, yet, even my wife.
>Both our families are super traditional and conservative. I don't want to break up my marriage, but continue to provide for my family after surgery.

You don't get it because you grew up with a constant stream of hunter schafer gigapassoid imagery and easy access to hormones and an online support (grooming) community from an early age

Back in the day, things were hard. Your experience was a one-time event that will not be repeated

Experimental hormones and surgeries should not be given to children under the age of thirty five

>>40323040
None of that excuses ruining your marriage and children's lives. Men like him are beyond selfish, he wants to castrate himself behind his family's back and expects them to be fine with it. The mental health epidemic in America is unreal

> Be me
> Non-binary
> Parents don't know
> Wife doesn't know
> Love her dearly
> Plotting in secret
> I'm really gonna do it
> Gonna cut my dick off
> Get all the letters
> Schedule surgery
> Disappear for a month
> No explanation
> Come back home excited
> The big reveal
> Hon, look what I did!
> Drop pants
> She left me
> Dickless in Seattle

Like actually what's the game plan here?

>for 25 years
How hard it is to say "I want to be a woman", like seriously, how can you hide that for so long? You can live a normal life and not be lying to everyone around you, repressing is also an option while everyone knows, they even think you are brave and shit, like >>40323261 said, what's the plan?

>>40323103
its so strange to me he's clearly straight enough to make a family and does this? very gross.

>>40323103
You were spared the need to ever face questions like that, because you were coddled and given everything without struggle, doubt, or risk. Naturally, you never learned empathy so you can't understand why other people have different lives. Fortunately, this experiment is ending, and nature is healing.

>>40323302
>having a family means you are straight

>>40323261
kek

>>40323324
Trans women:
>he glanced at my dick and didn't immediately start projectile vomiting like the exorcist so he's a faggot (which is bad) and also a bottom sissy repper
Also trans women:
>uh he got a cis girl pregnant once ok? so he's definitely 100% cishet, case closed

>>40323340
Also, many women just want someone to help at home or alternatively, many gay men want a family so they ask a woman to have kids for them, I mean this case is retarded, the guy could have just at least told her before getting married, but there's other many cases where there's arranged marriages with kids.

>>40323306
>nature is healing
Bongs and mutts thinking they are the only country in the world part 1967

>>40323261
>>40323040
>>40323306
>>40323324
Stories like OP brain poison normies against trans people hard, you are all incapable of seeing the second order effects of supporting this behavior and it's fucking infuriating.

>>40323405
>maybe if we just throw more of our own people under the bus things will get better
I hope JK Rowling sees this "sis"

>>40323420
If that's your takeaway from OP then think whatever you want, you are poison to whatever movement you're a part of

>>40323103
>ruining marriage
Yes, like many other men do.
>ruins kids lives
The problem here is the execution, it further hurts trans optics and doing it all behind their backs will definitely screw them for life, specially how he seems to be handling it, it's either a trollpost or someone genuinely stupid and he's the kind of person that wants everyone to know, so he might throw a gender reveal party or some terrible thing like that.

>>40323261
there is no plan reppers just snap one day and decide to john 50

>>40323294
>How hard it is to say "I want to be a woman", like seriously, how can you hide that for so long?
shame and fear of being a troon. op's family is very conservative and it's scary running away from everything to be a tranny
>You can live a normal life and not be lying to everyone around you, repressing is also an option while everyone knows
when your friends and family are visibly homophobic you don't want to be out to them

>>40323437
That's correct, good optics = being a sexually attractive youngshit passoid, poison = being anything else. Glad we can agree on that much.

>>40323405
>poison normies against trans people
Those "normies" are just desperately searching for excuses to be hateful, there's no winning them, even if every single trans person was perfect in every sense they'd find a way to dismiss everyone.

It's a really depressing story and even more depressing that there's not a broad condemnation of it here. Fucking embarrassing.

>>40323449
Well then screw them, I just cut ties with "my family", my mental health was more important than their opinion about me, I haven't seen them in several years and I don't plan on changing that.
They hated me for being different but I am not changing for them.

>>40323405
No I get it
It's why friends couldn't tell me they were worried I'd regret it, but I knew they were thinking it. It's why I felt like I had to show them I actually meant it and this wasn't some weird self-destructive phase.
>>40323420
I repped too. I get it. But they're out here shopping for surgeons yet they clearly haven't come to terms with what this will almost certainly do to their family.
Thankfully I was too broken to end up with a wife and kids to john 50 in front of

>>40323463
NTA but there's a difference between an unwinnable not-give-a-shitter remaining apathetic and activating them into anti-trans bigots

>>40323504
Anyone with a slight trace of intelligence will immediately notice the difference between a guy that "hid" his gender dysphoria for 25 years and someone that has accepted themselves their entire life.

Anyone that associates both is a retard and would find any other excuse to be hateful.

>>40323537
It's not like this would flip a switch but normies would consider this in aggregate when deciding how they feel about trans people

And the proportion of the general population that would be "retarded" per your definition is likely a majority

>>40323624
Normies don't go on weird subreddits about nullo surgery, they read NY Times articles where some very reasonable centrist reporter asks totally not loaded questions about the "trans controversy" and quotes far right shill astroturf groups as if they're experts and concludes that well, the NY Times said questions have been raised so we need to halt the insanity until we figure out what the hell is going on, russ douthat said so and so did maureen dowd so who am I to question that?

The only people who are going to see posts like the op's posts are permanently online weirdos who were looking for things to get angry about

>>40323650
In the age of TikTok that is not true. Nyt has likely done more damage due to it's reach and it's recent tenor regarding trans rights, but stories like OP are being beemed into teenagers skulls as short format videos constantly. Bigotry is a tide and battening down the hatches requires acknowledgement of the scale of the problem.

>>40323690
you realize that tiktok is completely flooded with fresh globs of racist AI videos and there's a semi-sentient /pol/ shitposter watching every tweet to refute it with a wall of musk-approved /pol/ text, right? for every real "optics problem" out there, there's about 100,000 completely made up optics problems that are machine-learned to make the viewer as angry as mathematically possible?

so how is throwing some random john 50 under the bus going to turn the tide when that's what you're fighting against?

>>40323537
Not really. The amount of genuine repressors are like nil compared to people having psychotic mid life crisis’ fueled by toxic reddit hugbox rhetoric

>>40323784
Because you can show his scalp to the public? It's about who you police and how you police that often matters more than the underlying story. "That shit doesn't fly in the trans community" would be a good message in this context. Locking arms with terrible people makes for blowback out of proportion to that caused by random AI shittery.

>>40323829
Growing up pre-Euphoria does not make you a terrible person, in fact it's the other way around. You just got "hot" and "good" confused, an understandable mistake.

>>40323784
Somewhere out there a real life person's friend or husband just john 50d
Then the Daily Mail, which unlike Twitter or Reddit they actually read, shows up to tell them it's a cult/fetish/whatever
Then they think "kids are so fickle we can't let them transition is this really what they want with their lives?" and then they vote for youngshit bans

>>40324694
If they can choose to rep at 50 then they can choose to rep at 12

>>40324782
Go on Dollcast

>>40323624
>>40323810
I'm not condoning this, what I'm saying is that there's no way to stop this so you shouldn't worry about grown men finding new ways to destroy their lives, the only way I can think of is spread the notion that these cases are most likely unkempt fetishes hoping they notice the difference.

>>40323438
>>40323103
i think the idea that parents being queer in any way 'ruins kids lives' or is even detrimental is fascist conservative propoganda that ur parroting. if my dad got a pussy i would prolly think it was weird and kinda funny and fucked up but how on EARTH would that RUIN MY LIFE? lmao
even more extreme cases of dads turning into hons, like sure that sucks for the kids a little bit but in now way does that ruin their life. especially if the parent was depressed, maybe being a tranny will make them happier and a better parent! seriously, please, think a little harder.

>>40323503
>will almost certainly do to their family.
you dont know anything bad is going to happen. if it does, its because the family is asshole traditionalist christian people and doesnt actually love OOP.

>>40326226
ill add that i hated my dad but not because he trooned out but because he was evil and abusive to the point where i decided when i was 15 to never see him again! ever again!
i would much rather have a kind and loving hon mom than an abusive and evil cis man dad.

>>40326226
Exactly, I was more hurt more that my father left for weeks and only came to beat me up than him having other families.

These threads are an important reminder that trans women are some of the most transphobic people you will ever meet

>>40327839
i think most of the ppl being mean and negative here are chasers/chuds desu desu desu

>>40326272
>maybe their asshole traditionalist christian wife will stay with them after bottom surgery
Some people will stick with you, some won't. Some will try but end up deciding they can't stay married to you.
It's scary because it might hurt. We do it anyway because to not hurts worse.

>>40323026 (OP)
> it's scary as heck
holy fuck i hate reddit please stop reposting that garbage here