Is it cope when people say that anything other than face matters for passing when you don't speak? I don't wear makeup and I dress androgynously, but I've had FFS and yet I only pass like 80% of the time, surely it has to be my face? I feel like it is, I was at a shop today and the woman there addressed like 20 other women as ma'am and then just said hello to me, I think this is basically equivalent to being called sir. It can't be just me being schizo about it, right?

why so

Remember...

If you reek of tranny, people will figure it out.
If you look male but are clearly a weird genderfuck, you're probably a transwoman. And we use "she/her" on transwomen as per their request.

I mean, especially if you're in a shop that women would almost exclusively visit... that's a good context clue for people.

>>40332861 (OP)
makeup helps a lot for face passing
also that example isnt schizo no, but i wouldnt go so far as saying you essentially got gendered male. likely they thought you looked ambiguous and weren't sure

>>40332861 (OP)
I don’t think it’s that anything one thing is more important. I feel like passing goes from distance to proximity so in the orders of
>mannerisms
>body
>face
>voice
ppl see mostly mannerisms and your body from far away, your face and voice up close. consistency is important too so if voice or mannerisms aren’t perfect you will inevitably get clocked. hope this helps.

>>40332861 (OP)
>Is it cope when people say that anything other than face matters for passing when you don't speak?
No. You definitely need a somewhat feminine looking body, too. That's why boobs are so important for passing, especially if you were cursed with a wide rib cage and deficient hips.

>>40332874
>makeup helps a lot for face passing
I don't want to wear makeup, this is why I had FFS but it seems that it's not enough. I'm kicking myself for not going to DB before the Americans went full fascist and now I probably won't get the opportunity to go.
>>40332884
>voice
My voice is pretty bad but I've not spoken to her directly. I don't know if she heard me talking to her colleague or something but I don't think she was paying much attention so it's unlikely.
>mannerisms
I don't think those matter though, surely that's mostly some cope from Susan's for neverpassing hons.

>>40332903
why do you not want to wear makeup? autism? concealer and light brown mascara really is not that bad

>>40332903
>doesn’t think mannerisms matter
>voice is pretty bad
yeah you are def passing less than 80%, Im sorry hon

>>40332920
It's autism but I also feel like I have to be able to pass without makeup, and at the moment, even with FFS, I only pass like 80-90% of the time, which is just beyond soulcrushing because it's making me feel like I'm forced to manmode all the time.
>>40332929
>yeah you are def passing less than 80%, Im sorry hon
I think I pass around 80% of the time when I don't speak, most people address me as female, but sometimes I don't get addressed as anything. Usually I reckon it's not an issue but in this context, it was very clearly unusual.

>>40332903
understand that many cis women wear makeup specifically to avoid looking like a guy

guy here

face is obviously the only thing that visually matters. literally everyone knows that

> no makeup
> androgynous clothing
> thinks mannerisms are bs
> clocky voice
> "hiki until ffs"
so just another typical boymoder...
I HATE YOU.

>>40332950
> "hiki until ffs"
I had FFS and I've had a revision for it as well and I still only pass 80-90% of the time.
>so just another typical boymoder...
I'm a manmoder, I'm too old to be a boymoder.

aw poor you. got a free ffs and only passes 99% of the time with no voice training or female manners. awwwwwwwwFUCK YOU

>>40332955
well woo-hoo if you keep ignoring the advice ppl give there's nothing to be done and you'll have to accept that you're a gigaclocky hon for the rest of your life littow boymodah

>>40332955
>still only pass 80-90%
it's a myth
those people are only being polite
also people ignoring you doesn't mean you "pAsS"

>>40332968
it's just ragebaiting humblebrag. boymoders are 99% unstable histrionic bpdsplitting bitches

>>40332943
Do they? I think it's very rare for cis women to get misgendered. Like you'd have to be beyond just looking like a cishon.
>>40332968
I'm from Europe and went to the US for it so it wasn't free for me.
>>40332974
It's literally not, this happened today and it was a soul crushing experience because it's the most I've gotten misgendered in such a short time because a similar thing happened to me at an airport earlier where a woman in front of me got ma'am and I just got a hello.
>>40332974
I'm not a boymoder.
>>40332946
>face is obviously the only thing that visually matters
Yes I also feel that way but I just wanted to see what others think.

>>40332943
Kind of. Women wear makeup because the day they don't they get asked, "Are you tired? Are you sick?" Its a sad truth a woman without makeup should look normal but people assume sick or fatigued. Had older coworkers who started doing no makeup days as a protest, and they absolutely did look differently. Makeup is black magic shit.

>>40332995
awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww poor you got a visa free all expense covered trip to us FUCK YOUUU

>>40332996
>Its a sad truth a woman without makeup should look normal but people assume sick or fatigued
I would be fine if I looked sick or fatigued without makeup, but instead I look like a man.

>>40332995
go back into your little OwO blahaj cave troglodytemoder. you seem to be unfit to survive in the real word.

>>40332995
Thinking face is the only thing that matters means youve hyper focused on one aspect, ignored the rest, and that’s why you can’t figure out why you’re still not stealth and are being treated ambiguously. You’re still hyper focusing on the face for some weird reason when ppl here are literally telling you the answers. I genuinely don’t get it
>>40332884

i get asked if i played basketball like several times a week

>>40333051
>>40332995
you're both clocky semipassoids.

>>40332995
it's rare for cis women to get misgendered because of their body, mannerisms, dress, etc. cues but it's not at all uncommon for a woman's face without makeup to basically look like a boy's

>>40333008
Ok, post a pic or an unsee

>>40333164
No and you can't really tell how well I pass or don't pass from a photo or even a video, the only real indicator is IRL.

>>40332861 (OP)
a good body will only go so far if you have a bad face, but if you have a bad body its worse than having a bad face and u basically ngmi

>>40333205
> wants people to help
> people help
> ignores advice and argues
> wants people to help
> people help
> ignores advice and argues
damn you're insufferable!

>>40333205
I can tell you don't pass because you are willful, which is very unladylike, also you missed an opportunity to show the world your beauty in a pic, which is also unladylike. So, you've convinced me just from your behavior, Sir, you don't pass.

>>40333224
I _literally_ said I don't pass though, that's my problem. My personal benchmark is that if I get misgendered (or the equivalent of it) while manmoding more than once a year then I don't pass.
>>40333218
>insufferable
I'm just very upset because my life is not really worth living if I don't pass and I don't know what to do because of this.

>>40333382
is transitioning just misery porn for you atp? like you clearly don't want to pass, why do any trans stuff in the first place?

>>40333382
>my life is not really worth living if I don't pass
if you only have a single thing that determines whether your life is worth living or not then that means you're mentally ill and need to see a therapist

>>40333577
>why do any trans stuff in the first place?
Gender dysphoria.

>>40333594
okayyy.. then why not at least try to pass and alleviate your gender dysphoria?

>>40333601
it's just doomy ziggers... being unhappy is hip nowadays

>>40333026
This

I dont understand why >>40332995 you think getting FFS magically means you can pass without makeup, when most women look like shit without makeup...

It might make you not look like a man in the worst case scenario, but is that good? do you want to be an ugly woman or do u want to learn how to actually be pretty?

>>40333888
its because that person is autismo and they probably think "oh i have to try to look like a mediocre girl before i can look like a passing girl" they think its some kind of scale where you get better and better, when in reality people make changes to their look in drastic jumps typically, via learning makeup, changing their hair, new outfit, getting a surgery, etc

it’s so sad and enraging that FFS is wasted on autistic hons like this who think the only discernible difference between a man and a woman is their brow bone. how tf do you get a therapist to sign off on FFS when you’re this retarded and myopic. insane.

bump

>>40335138
Bump for what? It's not like you're going to listen to anyone here anyway

>>40333998
>who think the only discernible difference between a man and a woman is their brow bone
It's not just that it's also various facial proportions.

>>40332861 (OP)
i think ur being schitzo and thinking too deeply abt this stuff
have you done anything fun recently, that got ur heart racing?