>"trans men benefit from patriarchy/misogyny"
>well actually no because i'm just a spicy woman except i also experience misandry too and i'm a victim of transandrophobia boo hoo
if this is the best argument trans men can make against being held accountable for misogyny, they should just bow out of the discussion around this issue entirely, because it not only makes them looks stupid but it also makes them look misogynistic (because it is)

>>40333186 (OP)
indeed so!

>>40333186 (OP)
Aughhh tumblr discourse

>>40333186 (OP)
yessss tumblr discourse

Patriarchy isn't real
Cope and sneedthe

>>40333186 (OP)
intersectionality is dead and random anons forcing the tumblr vs 4chan conflict in 2025 have killed it

I want to dump gasoline on my body and set myself alight

>>40333219
how can there be intersectionality when trans men throw trans women under the bus and constantly appeal to cis privilege

>>40333259
>how can there be intersectionality when thing unrelated to intersectionality
again people like you have killed it

>>40333256
don't let your dreams be dreams!

ironically enough the only thing that discourse like this makes clear is that the notion of an overarching patriarchy is an utter and complete farce

>>40333359
>t. misogynistic retard

>>40333404
it's not 2016 anymore, find a new grift.

>>40333457
i hope your iud fails and your cis boyfriend gets you pregnant and you have to detrans to birth and raise twins

>>40333186 (OP)
Non-passing trans men don't experience misandry or benefit from misogyny.
Non-passing trans women don't experience misogyny or benefit from misandry.
Both face homophobia. If you don't pass, you're just seen as a retarded freakish person of the sex you were born as. Stop LARPing otherwise, you look and sound pathetic to normal people.

>>40333186 (OP)
I think it depends but every tumblr user thinks the upbringing of them and their friends is a universal modal truth no matter how much they preach respecting diversity

>>40333564
Kek yeah. That's why it's laughable when hons like Serrano claim their plight has anything to do with misoGYNY.

I've never understood the point of this conversation. Isn't misogyny mostly a cis man thing? On a large scale, anyway.

>>40333186 (OP)
Women will never acknowledge their half of the blame for our shitty patriarchal culture. Ironically trans people more or less see the costs and benefits for both sexes under this system, unsurprisingly cis women take issue with acknowledging there are ways that they benefit too

So do "feminists" find it impossible to talk about men without sounding like a conservative with an FBI crime statistics book talking about black people? Because thats literally all I hear when youre going on about being stuck with a man or a bear (thanks by the way great choice for an election year)

Post-structuralism is SOOOOOO 2017... kys progressives

>>40333259
trans men are BASED because they seize masculine power for themselves. Trans women are pathetic because they voluntarily surrender masculine power

imagine whining about muh patriarchy in the year of our lord (((10 * 10) + 50) * 4 - 100) / 2 + 300) * 3 - 50) / 2) * 5) / 2 + 25

>>40334985
what power does masculinity hold in the big 25 lil bro

>>40335051
Being a woman is essentially, inherenty, intrinsically humilliating, while being a man is essentially, intrinsically, inherently good

>>40335051
would you rather encounter a pack of feral niggers or a pack of bimbo negress at night?

all i have to say to white ftms and a white cis male is, welcome to the white guy club, everything bad that ever happened is now your fault, you can choose to embrace that and turn into a libtard cuckold, or you can reject it and become a based right winger

>>40335075
not true. pooners voluntarily turn themselves into animals

>>40335075
take your psychosis meds

>>40333186 (OP)
"How do trans men live under patriarchal societal norms?" is an interesting question but this sort of discussion is clearly just "Should we also demonize trans men, y/n?" and I just don't want to interact.

>>40335098
take your testosterone

>>40333186 (OP)
i think it's funnh how the most privileged people on the planet try to claw their way back even after performatively rejecting their privileged position.

>"NOOOOOOOOOOO DON'T YOU SEE I'M A TRANS MAN BUT I'M NOT ONE OF THEM, I'M NOT A M-M-MAN. DON'T JUST GROUP ME IN WITH MY PREFERED GENDER YOU CAN'T DO THIS TO ME NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!"

>>40333186 (OP)
i think it's funny how the most privileged people on the planet try to claw their way back even after performatively rejecting their privileged position.

>"NOOOOOOOOOOO DON'T YOU SEE I'M A TRANS MAN BUT I'M NOT ONE OF THEM, I'M NOT A M-M-MAN. DON'T JUST GROUP ME IN WITH MY PREFERED GENDER YOU CAN'T DO THIS TO ME NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!"

>>40335090
you do know you can reject wokescolds without shooting yourself in the foot right?

>>40335093

>>40333527
H-HOT.....

>>40335167
there is no winning as a white male, you are racist because you were born racist, being white and male is the original sin to these people. its gets to appoint you are called racist or misogynist or homophobic that you either cave and become a self flagellating liberal loser or start being racist on purpose just to troll people and own the libs

there is no escape from this. they are the moral police and the white man is satan to them.

this is what ftm's are getting into, im just warning them

>>40335225
you know you can just ignore the retards who say that shit, right?

>>40335108
we should demonize them because they dont get that enough and not nearly as much as trans women do. compensation.

>>40335240
there is no ignoring them, they control the media, academia. they shove politics into everything.

there is no escape.

>>40335311
you literally control all three branches of government. stop bitching.

>>40335324
that means nothing. The government is not the academia

>>40335340
having all of the federal institutional power of the entire nation on your side means nothing?

>>40335356
Yeah that's what I just said retard

>>40335311
literally just stop consuming ragebait on youtube and twitter

>>40335356
being president means nothing, it doesnt mean you control culture, or what kids learn.

i mean, do white ftms even think about the connotations of becoming a white male at all, being white and a male.

your ancestors basically genocided and enslaved the world, conquered every land and even the moon.

you can either hate that or love that. but either way, they are still going to call you a misogynist racist no matter what you do.

>>40335438
>think about the connotations of becoming a white male at all
yes, which is why so many of them enjoy hiding behind the lesbian label now pretending to be innocent.
they dont embrace it like i would. and im not white, and i also like men

it’s pretty silly to just blanket say trans men don’t experience misogyny on this board, where there’s almost constantly a post in the catalogue being misogynistic towards trans men. in general i think every trans person experiences some amount of misandry (as far as it actually exists lol) and misogyny, with the ratios of each coming down to how well they pass

>>40335608
this is too nuanced of a take for the average twittard

>>40335608
This is a stupid take actually.
The CHAD take is that I'm a WOMA'AM and thus any discrimination towards me is misogyny

>>40333186 (OP)
Men suffer vastly more than women in the west and even normalfags realize this now to some extent. What do you still have to whine about?

>>40335692
OP is a tumblr screenshot, to be clear

>>40335787
there's a lot of overlap between both website's users anyway because tumblr is responsible for exporting all the qweer discourse to twitter when a bunch of refugees starting flooding in after the porn ban

>>40335108
Its an interesting question to think about and discuss but all of the "discussion" on tumblr devolves into considering trans men as evil oppressive males regardless of if they pass or not. People there argue about how trans men actually oppress trans women or some shit as if all trannies aren't in the same position in society. Its hard to talk about trans people's complex and interesting place in history and society without some keyboard warrior going on about oppression olympics

>>40333186 (OP)
You know trans men are men because they have male audacity