Chapter 3 from "Detrans" by Dr. Az Hakeem: Trans and Autism.
Granted that this book is basically a glorified "trust me bro", the author has basically devoted his life to tranny healthcare.
>Dr Az Hakeem has worked as a psychiatrist offering specialist exploratory psychotherapy for adults presenting with conditions relating to their sense of gender identity for over 20 years. He single-handedly set up a dedicated adult gender dysphoria specialist psychotherapy service within the UK National Health Service and ran it for over a decade. He has written, published and lectured on the subject extensively.
>He now works in private practice in London. He is an Honorary Associate Clinical Professor at UCL Medical School. He is the Professional Patron of The LGB Alliance and part of the Clinical Advisory Group for Sex and Gender CAN-SG. He is also the author of TRANS: Exploring Gender Identity and Gender Dysphoria.

all trans people, without exception, have autism

And that's it.
Picrel for those who wanna read the whole book, although I have only found it on scribd (probably an epub converted into a pdf).

Personal opinion, Hakeem's idea explains a lot of different things: why women tend to detrans, how they decide if they pass or not, why they claim to change sexuality when they start taking hormones, etc.
I'd even add that the Author should have discussed a little bit about trannies having low emotional intelligence, which could contribute.

I do have one topic of discussion though:
>>40346714
>their ASD mindset is not able to subvert or critique their gender rules
I wonder how MtFs see those who do "subvert" those gender rules. I know from personal experience that FtMs absolutely despire someone who is, quoting another books Hakeem, "gender queer". But I never known what MtFs think of, for example, a man who is fembrained, but doesn't troon out.
Do you wish to be like him, do you just don't care about being fembrained, or you don't wanna be a fembrained person, unless you have a certain gender socialization, because if you were to start doing fembrained stuff it will be like skinwalking?

>>40346670
>>40346687
>The pathological need to make literally everything male or female
/asdt/

>>40346877
I'm either MTF or ITF
My mom actually tried to figure out my gender with black and white thinking like this, and it kind of bothered me because of course boys can play with dolls and want to do dancing or whatever.
Trooned into a chapstick lesbian. Slowly leaning into a more femme style only after several years on hormones. Will probably never be perfectly gender conforming.
I see a lot of truth in what this author has written in other people I've met, but once again it feels like science refuses to believe I exist.

>>40346687
>pathological need to label everything
Ironic

>>40346877
Nigger why would anybody pay for this garbage? Its not even anything smart or new its just mumsnet-style rambling with a few scientific terms
>>40346497 (OP)
>brown bong
That explains it.

Good lord I'm shocked at the authors conceptualization of autists being so downright adavistic. Im not denying that these type of autists (transgender autists even) exist but the author is pulling some sleight of hand to turn that into a zoological typing of autists and transsexuals, I mean christ even the language of "the transsexual" or "the autist" in the same way one would say "the llama" or "the carrier pigeon"
>>40347143
People get very upset when we fall outside the norm, I guess there's some irony that this author is going on and on about how autists (and by extension transsexuals) can't conceive of people and things outside of their predetermined schemas, while being unable to even acknowledge a trans person that isn't like, what he sees in his patient practice or on twitter

>>40347207
>what he sees in his patient practice
Bold to assume he actually has any patients that werent forced to go to him

so a muslim infiltrated the nhs to start progressive backsliding in the UK?

>>40346877
I mostly don't care about GNC people. When I care, I mostly admire them for being cool -- such is the case when I see drags or glam rock stars, for example. I think the whole fembrained vs. malebrained obsession is really dumb, and that trans people shouldn't be expect to meet the same standards of femininity that the average cis woman meets, specially when we grow up different in so many aspects. It does feel kinda icky forcing myself to be more fem mind-wise than I really am, but I'm not too worried about "skinwalking" someone else.
t. undiagnosed permamanmoder who thinks they're not that autistic, actually
I think I'm detransing soon though, fittingly.

>>40346877
I don't know where you got the idea that ftms hate people who are gender noncomforming? There are plenty of gender dysphoric butch lesbians who take T and still self id as women in those spaces
As for mtfs and feminine men, I don't have any kind of negative feelings towards them. I think people should be able to look and act however they wish, I only transitioned because of gender dysphoria, there being feminine men without gender dysphoria who don't transition doesn't really affect me
I guess I think hrt femboys are copeing out of their minds to not fall into the stigma transgender people face but that's about it

>>40347143
You are just intersex, anon.
A lucky one at that, since it seems you had to "transition" only once. There are people who keep getting juggled between surgeons and psychologists after the umpteenth butchered corrective surgery.
>>40347201
>why would anybody pay for this garbage
>pay
Calms your tits, anon. No one said anything about paying shit.
>momsnet
I guess you can't calm your tits no more, I'm afraid.
>>40347207
Anon, his use of "transsexual" is specific.
It doesn't take into account people with genetic disorders, nor stuff like AGPs, transvestites, etc.
He is trying to give a reason for them being the way they are.
Hope this makes it clearer.

>>40346613
high functioners can learn theory of mind through brute force actually. it's always an ongoing self-checking process though.
>>40346687
i might be significantly less autistic than these troons actually
>>40346714
ohhh this was written by a schizophrenic GC that explains it
>>40346738
>those who are highly ASD often describe a complete disinterest in sexual relations with others
almost literally me. i have very strong romantic feelings towards men but i have very little interest in sex with anyone. might just be because im not into anal.

>>40347390
>why would anybody pay for this garbage
>pay
Calms your tits, anon. No one said anything about paying shit.
>momsnet
I guess you can't calm your tits no more, I'm afraid.

Anon, I am a british repper. How much of a retarded brown autist can you be?

>>40347418
>>40346753
this stuff is always weird to me because im an autistic tranny and i can't not imagine what people around me are thinking. i torture myself constantly by thinking cis people see me as a male
>inauthenticity leads to regret
its always just led to self hate and more dysphoria for me
>>40346761
i fucking hate being asked my pronouns
>for the ASD mind, what others say must be what they think
i think this person doesn't have a great theory of mind either, but that's pretty evident throughout.

>>40347390
>no true scotsman

ok I read all of this. thx for sharing first of all!

Basically he affirms what smart trannies say anyways: Passing is a myth. Malebrained and fembrained division is braincancer. Pronouns don't matter either. Just do what you feel like and stop thinking in terms of mutually exclusive boxes.

>>40347390
>He is trying to give a reason for them being the way they are.
Hope this makes it clearer.
Actually no, that just makes it more confusing. I was working with that definition of transsexual when I made my post about him being unable to conceive of trans people outside of what he, personally, has seen in person or on twitter, and I find his reasonings for why people have gender dysphoria (yes, I know, excluding things like AGP, intersex, and transvestites) to be extremely reductive. I'm not sure where you thought this would clear things up
Even his conception of autistic people, let alone transsexuals or transsexuals with autism, seems retrograde. He's going on about how we/they think in extremely rigid terms while also slapping us into these extremely rigid boxes based on what he, personally, has seen in his practice and on twitter

>>40347418
>>40347431
Yeah he's got a very narrow view on autistic people, I have a feeling he'd just write off any autistic that cares what others think is just not "true" autistic which seems lazy.

>>40346775
> When existing with an operating system where internal thoughts are less relevant than communicated speech
Dude has NO FUCKING CLUE what being autistic is like.

>>40347431
> torture myself constantly by thinking cis people see me as a male
no that's actually indicative of an obsessive thought disorder, not necessarily autism

>>40347524
i will sit smugly as a double diagnosed hole in his theory

>>40347561
i am a diagnosed high functioning autist (it was still aspergers when i was diagnosed at age 9)
i can't be sure that i don't have any obsessive thought disorders, i very well could. but im not diagnosed so im not gonna claim one

>>40347597
> but im not diagnosed so im not gonna claim one
yup you're definitely autistic though.

>>40347607
lol am i supposed to just be like oh you're right i guess i have that lol

>>40347478
>Passing is a myth
why do people propping up the idea theyre intelligent and understand things always have to throw bullshit like this it weakens your whole point because its categorically untrue. i mean thanks i guess the other stuff you said was sorta compelling but i cant take you seriously now

>>40347631
no it implies rigid thinking in terms of
> i can only be sure that I have a thought disorder if someone else diagnoses me with it
which is exactly what the author of the book means when he says autistic trannies think
> i can only be a woman if I other people adress me by my correct pronouns

>>40347644
so that people like you actually read what I write and reply because of the adrenaline spike they get when I slightly offend them ;)

>>40347390
>You are just intersex, anon.
Probably! My family never actually told me that though, so now I get to hope DNA testing finds something.
Yeah I'm lucky back in the day they only botched me in a way that made it visually obvious that something is up, and not in a way that'd make future surgery impossible. I might turn out OK after all.
But I've had to rely on the trans system to unfuck my hormones, so I care what they think of me as a patient. Thankfully my own therapist doesn't think the only options are ASD or AGP.

>>40347240
He started as a surgeon assistant for SRSs. His other book (TRANS) is much more pro tranny: it has like 5 trannies telling where and what to do to get surgeries, hormones etc.
>>40347303
Interesting, thanks.
>>40347307
>still self id as women in those spaces
Probably. I only have experience with internet ftms.
Thanks for the answer.
>>40347418
High functioners wouldn't troon out, according to the bong.
>schizophrenic GC
If you think he is gender conforming, he is not really.
>>40347419
Then calm your tits, since you still have 'em.
>How much of a retarded brown autist can you be?
Pretty rich coming from a repper bong, don't you think?

>>40347446
I could say the same about the whole "even if these autistic trannies exist, there are intersex folks who were not taken into account so we can't create one single theory for the autistic trannies".
>>40347510
https://icd.who.int/browse10/2019/en#/F64.0
The definition of transsexualism is basically the one from the ICD-10.
Can't post it here, 4chan thinks it's spam, but you can just google it.
>I find his reasonings for why people have gender dysphoria (yes, I know, excluding things like AGP, intersex, and transvestites) to be extremely reductive.
Well, please tell me, what does it lack?
Noting that he gives internalized homophobia, ROGD and trauma their own chapter, what does the definitions of transsexualism (and autism, if you wish to talk about that) lack?

>>40347677
for me they are two completely different thought processes. i think that i can't self diagnose a mental disorder because i am not qualified or even familiar with obsessive thought disorders really. i just don't have the information to know.
>i can only be a woman if other people address me by my correct pronouns
this is true in terms of social dynamics, you can never be a woman socially if you aren't seen as female by others. being called she doesn't mean the person sees you as a woman though, which is what i thought the original writer was referring to when discussing the autistic literalism and pronouns

>>40347701
>lying offends me
isnt that your side that does that whole shtick? i wasnt offended i was pointing out that inserting an objective lie into your otherwise potentially accurate statement outs you as someone who cant be taken seriously

>>40347741
>high functioners wouldn't troon out according to the bong
the bong is wrong
>he is not gender conforming
GC = Gender Critical, a specific type of sometimes woke-posturing transphobe. he literally thinks we are just a bunch of stupid men who think everyone thinks we are women

>>40347761
> bites again
>>40347759
> i think that i can't self diagnose a mental disorder because i am not qualified or even familiar with obsessive thought disorders really. i just don't have the information to know.
just get it then. you're on the internet. why do you need a conservative in a white coat to tell you who you are?

>>40347478
Based.
It's fucking hillarious to me to see autistic people getting offended by society, even if their understanding of society is awful at best.
>>40347431
Yeah, that's why he says that you would need more expressive "evaluations" from others.
>>40347538
You are probably thinking about the fact that (some) autists ruminate more than the average person.
He is much probably talking about the internal thoughts of others are less relevant than the communicated speech (also of others).

>>40347741
I don't have them in the first place
How autistic are you
>>40347758
Do you even understand what a no true scotsman is?

>>40347677
>what does the definitions of transsexualism (and autism, if you wish to talk about that) lack?
It's not that there's anything wrong with the picrel in >>40347390, but I take issue with his putting forth that autistic trans people are basically too autistic to not think they can like, just be a long haired boy or short haired girl. That's the sticking point for me. He's very rigid in his conception of 1 theory for autistic gender dysphorics and that they all have the same conceptions around transitioning
Even if i was just autistic and not transgender I would find his conception of autistic people very very rigid and narrow. Does that make sense?

>>40347781
>he literally thinks we are just a bunch of stupid men who think everyone thinks we are women
From this perspective, his theory looks pretty dumb (although some trannies seem to act this way).
Thanks for sharing with me this perspective, anon. I'm still looking for an impartial take on the topic. This one seemed to be the most coherent.

>>40347927
Nta but thats more or less what ive been trying to communicate without going to saying trannies

>>40347269
No, a gender critical gay man. I dont believe he is a practising Muslim. He primarily IDs as a 'gay goth' lmao

>>40347912
yeah it's way too rigid. i already fall outside of it by being autistic, worrying about what others think of me, and had long hair before transitioning.
>>40347927
no problem. unfortunately though i don't think there will ever be a grand unifying theory, because the human mind is just so complex that the base cause of dysphoria is gonna be expressed differently in different people. not so different that it's unidentifiable as the same thing, but enough to make a one size fits all solution difficult. i personally believe there's a biological cause, because ive felt this way my whole life (additionally, hormonal abnormalities in the womb have been (not super definitely) linked to gender dysphoria and autism separately, which makes their comorbidity make more sense.) but ultimately i don't know

>>40347858
>I don't have them in the first place
https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/calm_your_tits
Learn your own language, anon.
>How autistic are you
The one who doesn't understand figurative language seems to be you.
>Do you even understand what a no true scotsman is?
Let me refresh your memory, bong.
>>40347912
Kinda yea, but the following question is why would you think you are a woman trapped in a man's body?
The reason (from what I have seen, correct me if I'm wrong) is that gender dysphoria is an irrational feeling (having the wrong body) that has a (relatively) irrational solution (trooning out).
All the excuses that trannies give to get to that solution are all (to a certain degree) lies. No tranny will actually kill themselves just because he has to say repping, even if they will claim that they will commit suicide to get prescription and whatnot.
Same goes for the "I played with dolls, so give me estradiol". All bullshit.

>>40348070
>agp not real trans, as well as """rogd""" (anything that is outside my views of a tranny)
>All the excuses that trannies give to get to that solution are all (to a certain degree) lies. No tranny will actually kill themselves just because he has to say repping, even if they will claim that they will commit suicide to get prescription and whatnot.
Assuming that the general population's sucide rate is still 15 in 100k people (Usa data) trannies kill themselves 5300x the rate of cis people

>>40346877
>>40346497 (OP)
>the author has basically devoted his life to tranny healthcare.
you mean devoted his life to conversion therapy
he's an uninformed quack and a member of CAN-SG, interviewed on "transgender trend", and so on
I don't see why anyone here would be interested in his garbage. He has no insights into detransitioning beyond what you might read from random twitter bots.

>>40348070
trooning isn't irrational because it does help with dysphoria. it increases our quality of life, even if many of us might not literally kill ourselves without it

>>40347927
Just to be clear, I just reread my post and it feels like anon's post is what I consider to be "an impartial take on the topic".
I was refering to Hakeem's book actually.
>>40348063
>abnormalities in the womb have been (not super definitely) linked to gender dysphoria and autism separately, which makes their comorbidity make more sense.) but ultimately i don't know
Agreed. My working theory is that autistic people have some connectopathy in the region of the brain that has to do with self-image. And that causes gender dysphoria.
I still think the only way to "cure" any brain abnormality is by learning self control, but that's because I have too much faith in the frontal cortex.
If therapy helps people to use their frontal cortex, then I'd opt for therapy rather than trooning out. At least as a first step.
>>40348131
Could you source that claim, anon? I have yet to find a tranny suicide rate study.
>>40348139
>trooning isn't irrational because it does help with dysphoria.
It is irrational because being a woman is not a feeling.
> it increases our quality of life, even if many of us might not literally kill ourselves without it
This is why I called it "solution".
>>40348133
>conversion therapy
He does group therapy, mainly.
If talking to other trannies about yourself is conversion therapy, you are doing it right now.

>>40348133
perhaps a 'quack', but I wouldn't go so far as to say uniformed. Unlike most terfs/ new people to the anti trans crusade in the UK, he has been working with and facilitating the transition of trans people for decades. I think why it boils down to is that he dense believe that there are people who are 'born in the wrong body' and only a select few very self aware people can successfully 'transition' and much of the current trend of ftms are exactly that' a trend.

>>40348267
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7317390/
I think it was this one. The percentages that i remember match up (0.8 for mtf 0.2 for ftm) but i misremembered it being american, it was dutch apparently

>>40348267
>autism as cause for gender dysphoria
what about cissexual autistics? i know plenty of autistic people who not only don't have dysphoria but can't fathom it.
>learning self control
what's the self control issue with transition? or do you just think that GD is something like OCD?
>trooning is irrational because being a woman is not a feeling
that's not what i said. dysphoria is not rational, but transition to alleviate it is.
>this is why i called it "solution"
what do you propose instead? other therapies, antipsychotics, etc have been tried. nothing has been as successful as transition at treating dysphoria in transsexuals. do we not deserve to increase our quality of life?

>>40348070
>Kinda yea, but the following question is why would you think you are a woman trapped in a man's body?
Well like >>40348063 said, gender dysphoria is going to be expressed and talked about with a lot of variance, and I can really only speak on my own experience, which I feel like will be common when you ask different trans people why "we" (collectively) transition.
To keep it concise, I felt very uncomfortable with my body starting at a young age (preschool) and it exacerbated during puberty, things like hairiness and voice (I don't mean cracks, I mean how it sounded 'normally') I didn't really feel like a "woman trapped in a man's body", I felt like I just hated my own body in ways I struggled to find the language for at the time. I transitioned and I'm much, much happier with my body.
And while I think it's ghoulish to 'threaten' suicide, I can say that as someone that did attempt at 18 (for gender dysphoria and other reasons), I've found a lot more stability in my life post transition, though transitioning wasn't some catch all panacea for it. I hope that helps somewhat

>>40348410
Also if it sounds like im skipping some steps in that story it's because I am, but I'm trying not to turn it into something too long to be digestible. It was a lot of back and forth on should I or shouldn't I, and I did try conventional means to become more comfortable with my body like therapy. Transitioning is the only thing that's worked for me

>>40348272
>>40348267
>He does group therapy, mainly.
he is a conversion therapist who has written articles for anti-trans groups arguing against conversion therapy bans. He calls himself the only psychiatrist who specializes in "exploratory psychotherapy", which is a euphemism for conversion therapy. He categorically denies patients their identity and compares it to his supposed teenage goth phase.
He's also a gincel, who complains that actually gay men transitioning is the real conversion therapy, which is probably a familiar line to anyone on this board.
He also doesn't seem to actually have a good understanding of his field for a supposed expert, especially for an anti-trans expert. He doesn't understand blanchardism or agp. There's zero nuance to his positions, he's basically just the "what if dysphoria is just a fad? just asking questions haha" guy, which isn't even interesting transphobia.

>>40348526
>He doesn't understand blanchardism or agp
I think this is my biggest red flag about him. (full disclosure, im a slightly GC gay guy - though not full on, I simply dont agree with transition on demand. Essentially the same position as Blanchard had while he worked for the Clarke institute/ CAMH) but I digress. He doesn't actually seem all that clued up on the 'science' (yes debated in this field) of trans - rather he only takes a psychological approach. He treats it as a mental health issue, while ignoring the human sexuality side to this

>>40348526
>>40348272
additionally, hakeem isn't just a psychiatrist, he's a psychoanalysist, which is essentially pseudoscience based on dream analysis.

>>40348320
Thanks, will read tomorrow.
>>40348357
>what about cissexual autistics?
Then you'll have connectopathy in other parts of their brain. Depending on what part of the brain is overly developed, you get a programmer, or a WWII nerd, or whatever.
>what's the self control issue with transition?
I wouldn't refer to it as an "issue". I just think you can force yourself to do anything, if only you wish it.
You may force yourself to endure not trooning out, you may force yourself to endure being misgendered.
My guess is that you could force yourself to endure, suppress and get rid off of gender dysphoria too, just like, for example, you could become indifferent to being bullied for being a tranny.
>that's not what i said. dysphoria is not rational, but transition to alleviate it is.
You transition because of dysphoria. Dysphoria is irrational.
So the reason for transitioning is irrational.
>other therapies, antipsychotics, etc have been tried
It doesn't work like that.
Science goes forward. You should test all the new ways that pop up. You can't be like "we already tried therapy", because therapy changed.
That said, yup, autism has no cure, so neither gender dysphoria (assuming we are talking about the GD caused by autism).
>nothing has been as successful as transition at treating dysphoria in transsexuals
This anon posted a study that shows that suicidality stays equal all throughout the transition process >>40348320.
It could be for many different reasons, maybe they got bullied more once they trooned out. The truth is, psychology is a pseudoscience. So approaching it from a psychological perspective is not productive without other things: if you trully wanna stop being a tranny, you will stop being a tranny. If you are a tranny, you need a supporting community.
>do we not deserve to increase our quality of life?
No.
And I shall leave it at that because I wanna go to sleep and it would take too much to discuss it. GN.

Not a bad thread, ngl.

>>40347644
Personally I prefer they think passing is a myth because then they'll never see me coming.
>>40346753
But it must not be common if even clinicians think it's a myth. This author smells like an ideologue but he's not the only professional I've gotten that impression from.
>>40346714
It took me a year or two to really accept that people did actually see me as female. Which is stupid because I never consistently passed as male. Thankfully I have neurodivergent friends who are uniquely bad at lying.
>>40346753
>>40346761
Was this book written using Twitter and TikTok as its primary source material? I've met lots of trannies and the ones who don't pass are fully aware and I've personally witnessed zero pubic meltdowns over misgendering.
Yeah I know we all saw the IT'S MA'AM! video.
Maybe the author is autistic and is taking "how can't they tell I'm a woman" venting at face value and what they're really saying is "it should at least be obvious what I'm going for!"

Overall I'm tempted to read this book but the author comes across as hyperfixated on some pretty bizarre theories about both autism and gender dysphoria, and it's alarming that he cites people's clickbait behavior on social media as evidence.

>>40348911
>then you'll have connectopathy in other parts of the brain
trans people also have autistic hyperfixations, so that being the alternative doesn't make sense.
>become indifferent to dysphoria
i can see why you would think this is possible, and until more research illuminates the (probably) biological origin of transsexualism i can't exactly "disprove" it
>the reason behind transitioning is irrational
idk, i think it's a rational response to an irrational feeling. that's mostly a semantic argument though.
>you should test all the new ways that pop up
how do you plan to do so without denying people treatment that is currently working?
>agrees GD is incurable
???? didn't you say earlier that you can reason yourself out of it?
>psychology is a pseudoscience
trvke

anyways thanks for the thread anon gn

>>40346670
>agp individuals are not autistic
take note trannies

>>40346497 (OP)
>Dr. Az Hakeem
this guy is an obnoxious narcissist, i couldn't listen to him for more than 2 minutes
any "doctor" who writes books like this for laymen instead of publishing their results in journals is a fucking hack

it's a really interesting theory but i don't think it really explains hsts'es (who are really not all that autistic) and i don't necessarily think it explains my own experience as an autistic transfem

>>40346877
i think people who subvert gender rules are usually nice to be around, it sucks that a lot of the time guys with stereotypically feminine interests troon out, same for women but i guess thats just how it is
dont really like theyfabs, not because theyre bad they just hurt trans people by existing > "detransitioning" > blaming mtfs (because men are always the problem)

>>40348911
>>40349292
>Desperately want to be a girl
>Nobody ever talked about transition
>No idea it was an option
>Must not succumb to the thoughts
>Never even cross-dress
>What if I got caught?
>Lean into my career
>Get married
>Have kids
>Become an accomplished research scientist
>Internationally recognized
>Life is good
>But there's one problem
>The thoughts won't stop
>They get worse and worse
>I'm on the floor, in the fetal position
>Crying, holding my genitals in pain
>Make it stop!
>PANIC PANIC PANIC
>Call paramedics
>Call therapist
>Troon anyway
>t. John, 50

Repping! Of course! Why did nobody ever think of that?

>how do you plan to do so without denying people treatment that is currently working?
They plan to cherry-pick or even wholly fabricate studies to claim treatment isn't working then revoke access to it, leaving only "exploratory psychotherapy" as an option. Adolescents are their guinea pigs because most people believe adults should have free will. So they're wearing on that too by describing trans people as predators and changing laws so that even a wildly successful transition leaves you worse off in meaningful ways.
See also: bathroom and ID laws

>>40349630
honestly im torn up enough about the possible youth transition ban (and existing one in some states) in America right now, considering im an american whot transitioned in my teens. they don't believe our suffering is a real thing so they're fine drawing arbitrary lines to deny us treatment

>>40349630
>"They plan to cherry-pick"
>brings up John 50
he had ROGD btw. No one with actually severe dysphoria could rep for that long and have a stable life at the same time

>>40349892
I was a functional alcoholic until I wasn't. My life looked successful from the outside for a good while. I didn't make it to 50 but you had to be pretty close to me to see the struggle.

>>40346877
>But I never known what MtFs think of, for example, a man who is fembrained, but doesn't troon out.
have you never seen a "doll" go absolutely apeshit over flamers?