I dated a girl in high school who was very beautiful. We got very close but eventually wound up going to different colleges. We drifted apart and stopped talking. I eventually finished college and moved back home.

One day I heard someone mention my ex. She'd gone totally AWOL and no one knew where she was, and it stayed this way until last week. I'm 26 now.

I got a text out of the blue. It was her. She asked if we could hang out and grab something to eat, so I offered to pay and we met at a pretty decent steak place. I showed up, told the waiter I was there with someone and searched for her.

I searched the restaurant but was not able to find her. It's no large restaurant either. After a bit, I became impatient. Finally I texted her and she said "looking right at ya." Finally someone called my name and sitting at a small table for two was an absolute abomination. No tits, oddly portioned trans hormone facial stubble, horrible tattoos, obvious face wrinkles from a lifetime of "whoopsies". It looked nothing like her, but she'd done her best to look like a woman again.

Long story short, she'd gone to college and fallen for the trans meme and nearly eight years later decided that she wanted to "de-transition" but no one would date her. She'd gone home the week prior to us meeting and her dad waved her off in silence without even letting her in after eight years. What was sad, is that it was like her heart was rejuvenated to see someone she thought would love her again, but the only words I said to her was "no, sorry.", after she asked if I still wanted to marry her some day.

I was kind enough to finish the meal in silence, pay, and leave. That was her last meal. We live in a sad world.

this board has no more tears to cry

>>40378447 (OP)
fake and gay, go back

>>40378447 (OP)
I appreciate the story and awareness you're bringing to this issue of grooming impressionable young adults.
Hopefully one day this madness becomes illegal in every country. Until then, just try to politely warn people of the dangers involved whenever you can.

>>40378447 (OP)
what makes females do this to themselves? i cannot believe that someone feels better as that weird creature on the right than as a normal attractive person on the left. and what is worst is that most of them end up detransitioning and going back to how they were before, just uglier and without tits. whats the point of doing all that then? attention?

>>40378447 (OP)
Larp

>>40378502
>attention?
yes.
Many such cases of dumb people with very uninteresting lives and personalities who falsely believe doing something retarded like transitioning will make them interesting.

>>40378502
>attention?
yea. but some people are capable of living off attention until they die so it's not always a bad thing. people like that regardless of gender are just kind of surface level and this probably does bring them happiness even though it wouldn't for you or i.

>>40378447 (OP)
my high school gf is still beautiful today, but I'm just not really into women anymore

>>40378549
did hrt make you attracted to men or something?

>>40378561
I was always bisexual but it definitely pushed me more towards men

>>40378561
no you faggot.
Modern women are just so unappealing to be around. They're emotionally immature, overly promiscuous, disloyal, and retarded 9 times out of 10.

>>40378447 (OP)
pooners in shambles

>>40378447 (OP)
Bait

OP middle bottom pic always makes me LOL (at least a chuckle). That aggressive toddler stance. a BIG boi! a very STRONG boi!

>>40378447 (OP)
pic related are really cute in all but the last picture and going to be fine

>>40378502
>what makes females do this to themselves?
dysphoria obviously
>what is worst is that most of them end up detransitioning
this is so far from true. statistically detransitioners make up 10% or less of trans men, and most of those people reported they did it because of outside factors, not out of regret

>>40378579
sounds like you just really hate women tbqh, you might want to examine that

>>40379385
I absolutely love women.
Especially those like pic related.
I can't stand most modern women for obvious reasons. It's not a mystery why.

>>40379393
I absolutely love women.
Especially this woman who I just made up in my head.

>>40379459
>that's the joke.jpg

>>40378447 (OP)
Yeah it's so vile how people groom girls into going trans. I'm sorry for your loss

>>40378447 (OP)
> Womby wanishes
> Show up taken by tranny wirus
> No one will date her
> Everyone disowns her
> Crowd claps

Larp used to be believable. At the very least try to format it as a greentext, degenerat.

>>40379300
Same desu, it really is a toddlerism

>>40378502
You give women the freedom to be whatever they want and they choose to be retarded. This is simple fact

>>40378447 (OP)
Fucking bait from the early 2010s
You didnt store it well it came in the bottle but its filled with worthless shit OP

>>40382773
cmon it's totally plausible that someone who hates trannies enough to browse this board constantly and have this archaic image stored just happened to have this interaction happen for real in real life

>>40378447 (OP)
you could have made it semi believable by saying you stalked her insta, no one is going to believe someone approached you for a date

trannies in full blown damage control mode.
There are plenty of cases just like OP's detransition example where the retarded woman matures mentally beyond the age of 14 (at the real age of 27-ish) and realizes how stupid her younger life choices were.

>>40383241
plenty of cases but I've never met one irl out of all my trans man friends
detrans only ever seems to happen to pre-T theyFABs and grifting e-celebs
shit even with the theyFABs half of them still wanted to transition but gave up on it for a shitheel boyfriend or an unplanned pregnancy

>>40383563
why would someone who wants to detransition be part of your tranny clique?
Fucking moron.

>>40383587
you have to transition first to detransition

>>40383587
doesn't this sentence imply that you would transition if you had any friends?
lol

>>40383676
and a prerequisite to detransitioning is leaving your tranny cult.
They distance themselves from their mistakes including their poor choice of cultist friends the second they realize their mistake.
If they didn't, they know they'd be immediately shunned by your cult anyways.

>>40383697
anyway even though people have drifted out of my life over times for many reasons not one detransitioner has ever crossed path with me
and I would know, because we still gossip about the homeless friend living in one of the parks of my city who refuses any form of assistance and actively blocks and cuts off all attempts to help him
news of it would reach my ears because privacy is dead in the digital age and blocking someone you've stopped being friends with doesn't keep you out of their rumour mill

it's never happened, it's freak occurences that get paraded around, half never detransitioned (still using trans pronouns, still taking hormones) and the other half never transitioned (maia poet lol)

>>40383766
keep telling yourself that

>>40383791
what firsthand evidence do you have that detransitioners are common besides stuff you've read online and belief persistence
because out of the fifty plus trans people I know and hundreds I have known in passing the only detrans I've ever seen happen have been pre-T theyFABs in shitty relationships and forced detrans to keep living with parents and not become homeless

>>40378484
>>40380840
Retards make mistakes and need to handle the consequences, we don't need fuck over people who are in pain just to protect retarded women. If anything it might be one of the only times in their life they get to learn, like most males do, that actions have lasting consequences and you have to live a responsible life.
>>40382454
>>40383241
>>40378579
>>40378502
I really like to believe females are alsmost all retarded because of nurture, but sometimes I do wonder females are actually biologically just more retarded than males (most males are also retarded, you just have waaaay more intelligent ones).

>>40383848
>muh anecdotes
No one cares.
There are billions of people in the world, and your group of 100 people is not even a drop of water in a bucket.

>>40383870
man with zero friends and zero anecdotes tries to devalue what he doesn't possess
Sad!

>>40383851
female biology is an excuse to be retarded, I agree, that's why I take testosterone, it's the cure
you have no excuse to be retarded however, yet you are, curious

>>40383851
science has literally proven women to have less mental development on average than males.
Women have a lower ceiling of mental development than men, but the shallow development females are capable of is reached sooner than a male's during puberty.

>>40378447 (OP)
real anecdoters can spot a fake story instantly
friend havers know what I mean

>>40383894
didn't they make this joke in Borat?

>>40383911
Many jokes end up having truth underneath them.
This case was apparently no different.

>>40383921
y'know if men are inherently superior to women then it just makes you more of an under-achiever, right?

Like that makes you a bigger loser for getting nowhere in life

>>40383880
>female biology is an excuse to be retarded, I agree, that's why I take testosterone, it's the cure
If it was biology hormones wouldn't be a fix dumdum
>you have no excuse to be retarded however, yet you are, curious
Man work on your dunks, this isn't it.
>>40383894
>science has literally proven women to have less mental development on average than males.
>Women have a lower ceiling of mental development than men, but the shallow development females are capable of is reached sooner than a male's during puberty.
But couldn't that be explained through nurture? Females are treated like retarded children in society, so how should it be surprising they develop as such?
>>40383935
Seriously work on your shade nignog, I can tell you're the same anon from the visceral cringe I feel.

>>40383955
Yeah it might be a case of nurture. I'm not the scientist who made that discovery.
>>40383935
triggered much?

>>40383955
>>40383960
samefag

>>40383971
why so triggered by people disagreeing with you?

>>40383960
I'd like to see where you get that info though, anecdotally women are practically all retarded, but I can't actually empirically back up that claim at all.
But yeah I'm a believer of nurture being 99% of what makes us us.

>>40378502
basically i think some women get used to, and sick of, the kind of attention women receive. they're coddled, sexualised, etc. so i think they do this to say they don't need it or want it, but then they realise that maybe they do.

>>40384017
you're just mad you're not a pretty little girl

>>40383955
>hormones are not biology

>>40384024
I'd much happier being successful in my 30s as a man than owning 30 cats after being deluded as a "pretty girl" until my looks ran out and I was too retarded to get a husband within my league before it was too late.

>>40384024
what do you mean?

>>40384045
see you say that, but you don't seem happy
the hypothetical doesn't really work when applied to a transfem repper, does it?

me on the other hand yeah that's all 100% trvke, transition has been great for me
poltard sissies could NEVER

>>40384075
>you don't seem
lol.... why are women and trannies so focused on feelings above facts?

>>40384017
That's the popular belief isn't it? Women oversexualization is pretty overbearing, I don't know a single women that hasn't been hit on by grown ass men as 10-13yos. They're retarded, but I'm definitely sympathetic, most men are actual filth. It's just that the best and most intelligent people are overwhelmingly male.
>>40384024
nta but I'm mad I'm not a 6'5 tranny and am a "pretty little girl (30yo male)"
>>40384029
Seriously, stop embarrassing yourself, I'm actually starting to feel genuinely feel bad for you.
>>40384045
Heh, it's really not hard to find a good husband, don't let fears stop you from transition if that's what you truly wanted, otherwise good luck with your endeavors king.

>>40384051
see how the poster above you has to imagine a situation where he'd be unhappy as a girl?

>>40384084
are you happy?
dont lie now

>>40384086
>I don't know a single women that hasn't been hit on by grown ass men as 10-13yos
right see the thing is this is actually very strong evidence that it's VERY hard to find a good husband because the amount of grown men who will hit on 10-13 year old girls is a significant enough amount of the population that it's a universal coming of age thing for girls age 10-13 who use the internet

>>40384108
>literal text can convey feelings
retard.
I will say I'm amused at how retarded you are. Does that count as happiness to you?

>>40384086
i think it's a skill issue. i liked being sexualised by men when i was a teen (male), and i know that some women can also do that, revel in the kind of sexual power that lies in seduction. and desu teenage boys are also sexualised by women often, it's just not as direct. women tend to dress slutty around them, flirt with them, etc.
and while women are sexualised more often, i think that people downplay the extent men are objectified too desu. the argument that they're given respect in objectification is also often the case with women; they're both a form of "respect" that doesn't really benefit the party involved. nonetheless i think these women perceive a certain power in moving toward masculinity that they can't get in femininity. i also think that they don't realise they might be giving up their own female power in doing so.
but basically, everyone is filth, gender roles suck ass for everyone, and i wish people would start seeing the parallels rather than the differences. let's all live together.

>>40384125
>can't infer the meaning of text from reading the text
>calls others retards
anyway your misery is my happiness and I know that the longer this thread goes on the more buttmad you will get while I'm just here to kill time for another 40 minutes while waiting for a call

it's not that you know you're wrong, belief persistence is stronger than that, it's that you're miserable to begin with and the belief persistence is just a symptom of that
I can do nothing and you'll probably get madder and more pathetic, but yanking your chain and getting a (you) out of it gives me a sick thrill
:^)

>>40384155
Men and women are too different.
Women belong at home doing house work most of the time unless out to gossip with their neighbour or to pick berries and nuts.
Men belong out working on their career or on their land most of the time unless at home relaxing from a hard day's work or for the weekend/vacation.

>>40384163
You're projection and desperation are obvious and you should feel embarrassed.

>>40384204
if you weren't miserable and pathetic you wouldn't be on /lgbt/ making and replying to these threads
it's self evident proof
there is zero projection, pure inference

>>40384108
Nah you're being retarded. If you're relatively intelligent and you pass (which imo most trannies who start before 25ish do after a few years) you're not selecting for most men, you're selecting for intelligent (and to your taste) men. And throughout your life you're statistically bound to get a decent amount of opportunities with said men (as long as you put in the effort, and have the brains for it).
And in regards to the female oversexualization, it's a big percentage of men, but still a minority I think.
>>40384163
Nah don't compare men to women on this, that's disingenuous. Like men generally have a harder life, but in this aspect women def have it hardest. But yes, most teen girls enjoy getting attention from grown ass men they find attractive, attractive men just tend to behave better. Mostly agree with the rest of your post though, but reality will never be ideal, people will always mostly be retards.

>>40384217
>zero projection
>replying to these threads
You're on the same thread...

>>40384218
>If you're relatively intelligent and you pass (which imo most trannies who start before 25ish do after a few years) you're not selecting for most men, you're selecting for intelligent (and to your taste) men. And throughout your life you're statistically bound to get a decent amount of opportunities with said men (as long as you put in the effort, and have the brains for it).
high value people of both sex or gender get taken off the market insanely fast
hypersexual scumbags stay on the market and learn how to lie better

>>40384226
yea I'm a pathetic loser
this is a pathetic loser board
but I'm not single or a virgin and I own my house and have a job
I am way outside the average and I'm pretty happy with where I am in life, the only real issue I have is I have to kill time for another 30 minutes while waiting on a call

>>40384259
>yea I'm a pathetic lose
no one asked or cares

>>40384284
(you) care because I was 100% right about you being miserable and pathetic
lol
lmao

>>40384293
I would feel guilty about punching down like this if you idiots didn't throw the first punch

mid larp 5/10

>>40384315
>had to stop replying directly
oh you mad

>>40384293
>pretending to laugh
>thinks he can determine a person's literal feelings through text
Yep. Certified retard.

>>40384320
>can't infer the meaning of text from reading the text
>calls others retards
this is literally a trait of autism

>>40384319
?

>>40384334
oh you meant OP
mb I'm shitflinging with some retard to kill time

>>40384347
go ahead. What am I feeling now, gypsy?
*inserts quarter*

>>40384347
yeh. have fun w the shit slinging anon

>>40384365
>random slurs
you are mad

>>40384259
You'd think that, but the best men to wife up are way more selective about the character/intelligence of the women they date, they're also way more against having kids. So since most women are retarded, and are breeders, it works out perfectly for giving the right trannies a nice dating pool. Just ask around this board, a lot the not retarded trannies have bfs/husbands.
And if you don't sleep with your romantic interests for the first 50-100 dating/courting hours (which typically is around 3 to 9 months) you avoid all the fuckboys).
Are you dysphoric or do you just enjoy arguing?

>>40384379
Incorrect. I was jerking off and feeling arousal.
*inserts a 2nd quarter*
How about now?

>>40384389
you are feeling smug because you think you've deceived me
but you are really bad at lying
because you're autistic

>>40384386
literally everything you said is a fantasy
not one thing based in reality
I wish I lived in your world, it sounds nice, the real world is a shithole
anyway I think you have schizoid personality disorder, in contrast to your low functioning autistic compatriot

>>40384409
BZZZ wrong again
I watched a sad kitty crying video.
Man you're horrible at this.

>>40384430
you're not slick
you're not fooling anyone
this is just sad

>>40384440
You can't handle failure very well.
Maybe you have autism.

>>40384465

Why do people prize mediocrity? The before part of OP pic isn't remarkable, she's simply "pretty". I'm not saying right is far superior, I'm saying the start point wasn't much to begin with. At least they went the more creative route with their appearance because if they stayed a cis girl people wouldn't be advertising them here every other month.

>>40384409
In regards to my first 2 sentences, I was telling you how it is on paper, in reality you have your own circumstances that could make life easier/harder. It was that easy for me and other irl tranny friends, but maybe europe is just easy mode.
In regards to my 3rd sentence though, that is just pure fact, men who want to sleep around will not wait that long, and most good men that are really interested in you will. Feel free to fuck with women quickly though the rules are complety different with them.
>anyway I think you have schizoid personality disorder
Okay?

>>40384497
I mean she could have done a lot of cool things with her appearance, but aside from plastic bimbo, that was one of the worst route to pick.

>>40384517
>worst route
In what way? Because it isn't bland? I can't remember the girl on the left when I close the image for too long. But the right actually stays in my memory for a while. Considering these pics were from 2020-2021 it's likely they've chilled out by now and refined the quirky style.

>>40384517
>that was one of the worst route to pick
that's the idea
it's not a perspective someone who wishes they were born as a pretty girl can understand because wanting to be literally anything other than a pretty girl and trying to make yourself uglier to escape the male gaze is a large reason trans men end up looking like we do
it's working as intended

>>40384497
that is a 8/10 girl who turned herself into a mutilated clown. its as creative as tattooing a dick on your face. in 10 years she will guaranteedly regret what she did to herself.

>>40384709
I'm FtM and 30 and wish I started at 18 instead of 25

>>40384497
>I'm saying the start point wasn't much to begin with
It's stuff the hearts of boys and men ache for. She was probably someone's heartrending crush. It's someone's 10/10.
Pretending there was something wrong with her and calling a clearly cute girl mediocre just smells of seething troon cope to me.

>>40384722
you are female to MALE, meanwhile she is female to freak. she evidently doesnt present as a man.

>>40384731
he looks like he's been on T for less than a year and hasn't been hitting the gym enough
I looked the same at that point

>>40383241
Then why make shit up?

>>40384757
>I looked the same at that point
why did you decide to look like this? no man dresses like that or wears makeup

>>40384793
I have already explained >>40384661
and tons of fags wear makeup and dress like this

>>40384709
>8/10 girl
...where? No hips, no ass, no thighs, no tits, and a mediocre bare minimum face? What do the women in your city look like for this to be an 8/10?

>>40384842
outside the house
where you dont go

>>40384842
you have never touched a woman, so why are your standards insane?

>>40384728
I'm not seething, just saying what I see. Barely any curves, forgettable face, average style... It just seems like we're playing up the bare minimum.
>>40384849
Where I am won't change the fact that the before pic is mid

>>40384923
If you're someone with ass and hips, you're going to be unimpressed by someone who doesn't have it. Especially if their face isn't enough to meet that 8/10 standard.

>>40384928
Obvious bait is way too obvious man.
The fact that she wasn't an obese hog like 60% of Americans is already a huge plus.
On top of that, she's was actually fit, clearly kept up with cardio to stay in shape.
On top of that, her great genetics gave her a symmetrical and beautiful face, aside from her nose, with amazing teeth/smile, eyes, hair, eyebrows, etc.

Try to be less obvious next time so everyone doesn't immediately dismiss what you say as bullshit.

>>40383870
this is why 90% of people shouldn't be on the internet. just believe all the dumb shit thrown around to stir up hate. its like fox news for gen z. you absorbing the mainstream media narrative made up entirely of picked anecdotes is far far stupider than someone who actually lives in the real world and talks to people.

>>40385026
>she's a "woman" but with basically no woman attributes but "symmetrical face"
>small tits basically that could easily fit in any binder
>minimal ass even from side view
>"fit"
Anon where the fuck do you live? Ohio?

>>40385058
>seeing news stories from different news organizations and hundreds of random videos by non-professionals simply documenting reality, covering the events of actual people all around the world, happening to hundreds and hundreds of different people
vs.
>random faggot on 4chan claiming a different reality based on his totally real friends
Okay.

>>40385073
why not just say "I'm a roided out, classless nigger who likes roided out women with fake butts and breasts"
People would at least believe you then.

>>40385130
What are you talking about? And I never said anything about plastic surgery or fake ass. You're being hysterical, anon.

>>40385130
>>40385073
you are debating the attractiveness of a 15 year old rn btw

>>40384807
>trying to make yourself uglier to escape the male gaze as a trans man
NTA but what the fuck does this even mean
>tons of fags ("just like muh valid yaoi larp")
Deranged alt women also dress like this 100x more often, find a better cope already

>>40385227
Deranged alt "women" are mostly repping pooners buddy

Anyway when you're born as a pretty girl when you wish you were a boy you eventually come to despise beauty because every complement reminds you that your body is wrong
so actively working to make yourself uglier is a 1st year of transition coping method, super fucking common

>>40384661
Well I don't wanna be a pretty girl, and I fucking despise the male gaze with all my being. Ideally I would be a decently buff low body fat 6 foot 5 tomboy tranny with a 7 incher. Alas I'm not 6'5 and my cock isn't 7 inches.
Either way I don't get the appeal of looking like a goth oversized baby boy so you're not wrong I guess.
>>40384635
>goth oversized baby boy
Yeah I much rather be a bland gymrat.
The funny thing is that we all know she feels horrid about herself.
This is stupid, instead of trying to be something you can't be, treat your body well and fucking meditate and reflect on yourself. Actual retards.

>>40385296
I dont know what kind of retarded repper you are but goddamn you need to start HRT now

I've never had a good response as to why it's OK to chop off your tits or dick because you "feel" that they shouldn't be there but it's mental illness and wrong to let someone chop off their arm of leg because they feel it shouldn't be there. It's a true cult like you see in the repper threads. It's not about leading them to a happier life it's about bringing one more person into the community who they know is going through the same suffering they are.

A trans girl without a penis is like an angel without wings

>>40385374
>I've never had a good response as to why it's OK to chop off your tits or dick
you still dont btw
talk less, people will think you're smarter than you are

>>40378447 (OP)
Does anybody have info on xer? Cant find anything past that collage and like 2 reposted vids

>>40378447 (OP)
severely fake and gay but picrel looks better after trooning, hes prob not on hrt even, and regardless, troonsition is based inherently, having one fewer woman to fuck is not some tragedy faggot

>>40385326
I'm a 30yo passing tranny year 7 into transition. Actually my e has been progressively getting too high so I'm lowering my hrt lol.

>>40385288
>repping pooners
Most femreppers would start off at least being bitter butches or tomboys, clear contrast to an over-accessorized eyestrain genderfucked they/hefab with cluster B personality disorder
>ad hominem
I'm not a troon
find a better cope x2

>>40385401
>Most femreppers would start off at least being bitter butches or tomboys
it's like 50/50 on whether a femrepper goes the man hating bisexual or hyperfem attention whore slut route to coping with repping
half do go the bitter butches route, you just don't understand or validate the other half because you're not one of us and can never understand us
although there's plenty of trans men who hate them way more than you and invalidate them harder because they can't handle the idea that they deal with dysphoria like that

cis straight tomboys have never existed btw, it's primarily a term used for trans men before the days of transition and sometimes a term for lesbians before they came out as lesbians

>>40378447 (OP)
I didn't read the pages of discourse but this made me laugh. go get 'em little dood

>>40378502
an insatiable need for attention

all women love attention, but in some of them it becomes pathological and takes a dark turn

>>40378502
They do it to make themselves unattractive to men, it's clear it's also a form of self harm.

>>40384661
>to make yourself uglier to escape the male gaze is a large reason trans men end up looking like we do
You don't have to uglify yourself to escape the male gaze though, you can just train your muscles, lose all that extra fat and grow a beard, you can just be a normal fucking guy or a regular butch.

>>40385549
I like this one so much I made it into a Dark Souls boss the first time I saw it

>>40387352
a lot of women get really really fat and unkempt for this same reason. it's why it's a huge molestation flag when a young girl suddenly stops all hygiene practices