Picrel is me at 3 years HRT. My BMI is 24. I exercise 3-4x per week. i wanted to document some important effects i didn't know when i started:

>Strength
you don't just lose muscle mass or volume on HRT you lose "fast twitch" muscle fibers, those necessary for explosive strength, Particularly in the upper body. as you age on estrogen in your 30s and 40s your body literally strips down these muscles while preserving subcutaneous fat in the lower abdomen, thighs and buttocks. You will get T Rex arms if you do not train them. Also: my average run speed dropped by 32% and my endurance went down by almost 50%.

>gym/weight loss
You probably do not have the time and energy to keep an athletic figure on estrogen: you can lift and run as hard as you want but building muscle will be much much harder. Meanwhile losing weight will come out of your upper body first, resulting in the "pear" shape. People will tell you to take pio and weight cycle. Do not do this! You will develop visceral fat if you upcycle too fast and on the down cycle you will lose muscle as well as upper body fat. Just let nature take its course, do not rush it.

>APT/posture
a sedentary lifestyle, high heels, and of course estrogen can lead to a weakening of both hip flexor and abdominal muscles that produce anterior pelvic tilt and a convex belly. Mitigating this takes time and effort out of your day (i.e. yoga) and it gets harder as you age- your muscles get tighter and your abdominal ligaments stretch out.

>sexual function
My T was nuked and my testicles removed early in transition. Despite regular manual stimulation, my erect size fell by almost 50%, and I developed erectile dysfunction. I can ONLY achieve erection while supine/prone with difficulty. I can no longer have a satisfying orgasm without anal penetration. Some will tell you these things do not happen, but they do. Your sex life will need to change on HRT as will your relationships.

>>40381894 (OP)
Amazing horror story. I am almost tempted to go T at the age of 30. Have you considered writing professionally? Thanks for sharing.

>>40381913

I'm a skilled writer and my professional life is very writing heavy

Personally i would never go on T, I can accept being like this as a treatment for dysphoria but I think it's really important that people know the actual full long term effects of HRT before they take a medication that sterilized you and makes you slow, weak, soft and submissive. This is NOT a medication cis men should take just to keep their hair.

>>40381894 (OP)
>People will tell you to take pio and weight cycle. Do not do this! You will develop visceral fat

The entire point of pioglitazone is to discourage visceral fat gain while upcycling. There are credible studies on it & anecdotal experiences that match those studies. I agree, the "just gain weight" is harmful for most people, but it's specifically meant for anorexic tranners to not stunt hrt results. Obviously insane rates of weight gain are discouraged & harmful, but while upcycling, especially with pioglitazone, up to 1.5 kg/week won't cause significant viscceral fat gain.

>>40381940

As someone who took it, Pio is just bad for you. it prematurely ages your metabolism and stresses the liver, and it has sides. even if that's true that you don't gain visceral fat on pio at that high rate of gain (which seems extremely optimistic to me) it is very hard to control the gain on pio. Most people are taking it without ANY exercise which is understandable because most people do not have the resources, time, and willpower to exercise. It's one of many not indicated self med approaches that shouldn't be advocated as much as it is.

>>40381894 (OP)
>Mitigating this takes time and effort out of your day (i.e. yoga)
any pointers where to start?

>>40381922
I’m taking it as a cis man 2.5y and while I’ve noticed some loss in upper body muscle I haven’t really felt it bc I was pretty week before tbhon and pelvic tilt looks feminine and I can still coom easily so skill issue

>>40381961

Do 90/90 hip lifts, glute bridges, and deadbugs daily. Do 40 of each exercise and follow youtube guides to ensure proper performance. Use a 10-15 lb weight on your knees for 20 of the hip lifts. Try to remember to stand up every hour. That should be a good place to start but you ideally wanna be doing posture correction work throughout the day as needed, it's a battle against entropy!

>>40381955
I agree that pio isnt a miracle drug, I know someone who has had their health nuked because of it, but for a specific type of tranner used under the right circumstances (with working out regularly & with healthy high calorie foods for the upcycle) for a not too long duration it is absolutely beneficial. You need to weigh up the health risks vs severity of dysphoria, for me that was a very easy decision. I do not want to make it into my late 40s anyways so long term health isn't a priority.

>>40381955
The whole point of pio is selective gain in gluteal femoral region and subc fat deposits, so idk where you read the visceral fat gain thing. Any extreme fatgain like 1-2kg+ a week is obviously retarded, not really some Revelation

thanks for sharing . I would probably look like this .

>>40382011

Its trying to rush something that takes years of natural estrogenic development and aging and yeah when you crater someone's blood sugar they're going to have difficulty controlling the gain. The right way to transition is (1) be healthy (2) be patient and (3) do not expose yourself to hate and mental illness, bad influences, drugs, or sex work.

>>40381894 (OP)
You should get fat :d

>>40382045

I personally am fine being borderline overweight because it relieves some dysphoria for me but for many who want the androgynous vampire twink look it might not be what they intended. I gained a net of 25 lbs on hrt, 40 lbs at my peak of the cycle. And after dieting to actually drop 15 lbs last year I realized i am never gonna be back at my starting weight because it's too hard and food tastes too good.

>>40381894 (OP)
So it made you more sexy and fuckable?

>>40381894 (OP)
PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP

>>40382177

if this is what you consider attractive then that's fine, I am speaking to those considering going on HRT to make clear exactly what happens. I was a lean athletic twink before. Now I have a mommy tummy, I can barely run and I'm weak as shit and going to the gym is my main hobby! Also I can only have intercourse as a receptive partner, literally can't get off the way i used to. I just feel like some men might take HRT and not grasp the full effects!

>>40382035
>Its trying to rush something that takes years of natural estrogenic development and aging
thats a weird stance imo considering you're taking exogenous estrogen
The reality is that what you think is "natural" and "works best" simply doesn't for some people, like adrenal DHT mutants that NEED to take bica or some androgen receptor blocker
And don't get me wrong, I don't even see bica as good anymore

>>40382223
Yeah but you’re plapable

>>40382225

I mean look pio was like OK for me despite giving me a pregnant gut it did put some fat on my ass but my neet depressed friend took it and she got fatty growths in her upper arms and thighs and some anorexic trannies take it without eating and just pass out from low blood sugar so my advice to these girls is just don't take the off label diabetes med and work on body positivity instead.

>>40382064
nah don't even think about losing weight, you look so soft and perfect and plappable.

>>40382223
Yeah, that's called being fuckable: a soft sexy pliable fucktoy.

>>40382223
>Now I have a mommy tummy, I can barely run and I'm weak as shit
this makes me think this post is some kinda fetish larp like do you think women can’t run wtf

Realistic effects of hrt except its a second data point

body https://unsee cc/album#6mfo8o3Oybcq
1 year on injections, 21bmi, no regular exercise, 34c cup size
>strength
carrying capacity dropped from about 25kg to 12kg, grip strength dropped from 50kg to 37kg averaged across both hands, never tracked sprint speed but noticeable decrease in endurance
>weight loss
weight pretty much stayed the same, appetite increased, probably gaining fat as fast as losing muscle mass
>posture
posture is alright, dont do any yoga or real training, dont wear heels, noticable pelvis rotation
>sexual function
pp shrank 2 inches down from 7in, rarely get erections even while masturbating, those that i do get are weak and can be bent easily with just my fingers
all good for me desu im a bottom anyway and erections just get in the way
>body proportions
bust: +12cm
underbust: no change
waist: -5cm
hips: +20cm
thighs: +10cm
height: no change
>other changes
metabolism slowed down noticably, gaining weight is easier and i get cold easier
more in touch with emotions, T dulled them heavily now im happy easier and cry easier
skin softening makes certain fabric textures offensive to the touch
sense of smell and taste got sharper
body hair thinned out drastically, hardly have to shave anymore, i still do for the smooth feeling

>>40382349
>no regular exercise
why
>carrying capacity 12kg
this is literally sub human go work out now

>>40382361
>why
the gym is scary
>subhuman carrying capacity
mean!
i can carry my groceries and live my life without issue so i dont mind. if i need anything heavier carried i ask stronger people to help me out
i specifically mean like, carrying a 12kg box of things, im sure i could lift more in a gym situation but i havent tested that

>>40382223
barely disguised fetishposting

>>40382375
just do body weight exercises at home literally a baby could lift 12kg

>>40381913
if that counts as horror for you, then you're in for some shid

>>40382397
im not sure many babies even weigh 12kg so i wouldnt be so sure of that

>>40382413
never been to the states, have you?

>>40382499
never have never will eurochad till the end

so fucking gross

ah yes, "SFW"

>>40382514
well, if you're an euro you probably couldn't carry 12kg as a guy, given the food prices

>>40382585
the average euro is more nutritionally complete than any american

>>40382599
that's cause you get more vitamins from the 100g of greens you can afford, than the average ten pound mcmeal

>>40382668
>thinking this is a flex
the single thing americans can't beat europeans at is food, you don't need any more wins so just stop being delusional

>>40382403
I know. Being born female does that to a mofo.
>>40382349
>carrying capacity dropped from about 25kg to 12kg,
I've never been to a gym and 12 kg is just two grocery bags, something I carry three times a week all the way from the supermarket and up 4 flights of stairs. If that's the most you can carry... well lmao.
>certain fabric textures offensive
Sounds like autism.

>>40382676
It's hard to beat you at food if all your money goes in it.

>>40382695
just stop replying anon, you're embarrassing yourself

>>40382585
i could tho where do you think that 25kg came from

>>40382712
running out of energy?
>>40382742
it's obvious, food used to be cheaper back then

>>40382753
im not poor so i eat what i want, doesnt mean i eat a kilo of french fries every day

>>40382753
>food used to be cheaper back then
maybe so, i dont mind being weak though
i have plenty of strong men to do all the heavy lifting for me now :3
i can keep my arms slender and my tummy soft and my thighs squishy

>>40382753
but yes i am running out of energy to care because im too drunk gn

>>40382755
out of curiosity, how did you make it to the 1%?
>>40382760
don't worry, they'll get weaker once they've been in europe long enough

>>40382676
>>40382668
You people are crazy - America has S tier produce it's just a local issue California is world renowned for its rich soil and climate.
I'm European but I can still appreciate the truth. Fruit on the west coast is phenomenal and so is everything else. I'm sure sone Oklahona food desert is different but it's almost like the US is massive.

>>40382776
invested in innovative things before it took off (got lucky) but my family isnt particularly poor either

>>40381894 (OP)
Meanwhile me after 12 years of hrt

>>40381894 (OP)

fetish post

>>40382776
american men don't even do anything, they just sit outside clenching their shotgun because it's a land full of bandits and rapists while european men do real work and renovate their houses every few months

>>40382838
>>40382198
>>40382177
degenerate homosexuals

>>40381894 (OP)
I think you are correct thatr estrogen can exacerbate such muscular issues, although I think in many cases it's also due to poor posture and lack of exercise. Men have high T which boosts muscle strength and endurance. So it makes sense, right?

Also women are just plain weak. It's that simple. A woman is, honestly, utterly pathetic when compared to pretty much any man in the physical field. Strength, speed, endurance, you name it.
Any mtf on a female hormonal regimen will experience muscle loss, endurance loss, and a complete sexual change.

>>40382223
>Also I can only have intercourse as a receptive partner, literally can't get off the way i used to

Did this surprise you then? Any mtf on hormones is literally changing their bodily functions to that of a woman. Obviously women are receptive and passive. Sure, some women can have sexual aggression and some form of dominance, but as a general rule? No way.
So, this should not be a surprise to anyone. Your sexual behaviour, libido, will absolutely change on hrt and become like a woman (except you have a penis, which also becomes feminized due to estrogen, resulting in more of a clitoral and vaginal functionality even if physically there's no vagina present). Some may retain some penetration ability, but even then it will in most cases not feel the same.

You are absolutely right that everyone needs to absolutely be 100% informed about all the effects. Hormones are intense, and they do change you in many ways mentally, emotionally and physically.

>>40381894 (OP)
i'm 180lbs and my trans gf who has been on hrt longer can pick me up and jog with me in her arms for like a minute. skill issue

>>40382882

>>40383022
As long as you don't deny it, as so many of your type do

>>40382882
On /lgbt/?! Shocking and outrageous. I thought better of this place.

>>40383024
>as so many of your type do
what dose that exactly mean lmao

>>40382829
yeah, tl;dr "i am hot." gfu ig OP

>>40381993
plz elaborate im about to start it and don’t want my health nuked

>>40381894 (OP)
crazy how hard you can get feminized on hrt

>>40381922
honey, you're a youngshit. we get it. there are manmoders on this board who have been on hrt for twice as long as you, who could break you in half

>>40383046
nigga is braindead

>>40381913
ignore op, they're probably vaxxed. I've been on hrt 15 years, post orchi 13 years. Yea muscles shrink, penis shrinks, etc. I still get hard, my lower body is stronger than it was pre hrt, being kean is a matter of CICO.

>>40382882

>>40383429
you're replying to OP lmao. she's completely "if you wanna fuck me you're a fag" garrison-brained

>>40382863
>european men do real work and renovate their houses every few months
that's probably cus they'd get evicted if their house didn't meet the newest climate-related whatever