do transgender people perpetual traditional (bad) gender roles?

feels like it. a lot of transgender people feel like gender is inherent to someone's soul or some shit. how every trans woman is all "skirt go spinny haha I'm a submissive cat girl haha I'm also sexually submissive:3 :3 :3". parroting traditional harmful gender roles and acting like it's somehow empowering to act like a 1950s stereotype of a woman

I try to fuck trans women and they all have the most degenerate submissive fetishes, wanting to be used or called slurs or abused.

I've heard not only my friends but also prominent online trans people talk about how "all trans women are submissive LOL" or "trans women ALWAYS double down on being masc and then go hyper fem cuz! because women are inherently fem and submissive!"

none of this is inherent to being a woman

>>40382408 (OP)
the vast majority of people aren’t bothered by gender roles and sexually most women are submissive and most men are dominant

>>40382420
something being common and accepted doesn't make it not bad

>traditional = bad
Suckstart a shotgun

>>40382408 (OP)
>do transgender people perpetual traditional gender roles?
What's wrong with that?

>>40382408 (OP)
>be a tranny, be too feminine
>"you're perpetuating gender roles"
>be a tranny, be too masculine
>"you're clearly a man abusing gender ideology"
Repeat after me kids: Can't win? Don't play

>>40382455
>traditional = bad
correct!
>>40382464
they're shit

>>40382442
no it’s just a reflection of biology and there’s nothing wrong with that

>>40382495
women aren't biologically submissive

>>40382502
NTA but they are. The only thing women have been selected for is how willing they are to breed with their conquerors. Every human is quite LITERALLY proof of it.

>>40382534
that's very stupid. these results arise from women being pushed and forced into submissive roles against their will. women pushed into dominante roles are not only superior, but don't have these results

>>40382534
>how willing they are to breed
anon, I have something to tell you about how Genghis Kahn had so many children

>>40382502
women’s biological imperative is to get fucked, it would be hell if they weren’t submissive

>>40382578
makes literally zero sense. it's men's imperative to get fucked too, and they do it by being dominat. there's literally no reason having a hole means you need to be submissive to fuck

>>40382408 (OP)
I mean I'm cool with all that stuff you mentioned but not because of gender roles. I am gender non conforming in different ways regardless of which gender I am. And also I don't like men sexuallt anyway

>>40382548
>>40382563
What are you not understanding? So-called dominant women have been selected against. They got killed off. Only those willing to serve as holes have been allowed to breed. Modern microplastic fuckery giving dykes more test in the womb is just an anomaly.

>>40382632
coom brained. stop watching so much hentai

>>40382588
having a hole is absolutely a more submissive position, and it would be a cruel world if ppls preferences did not align with their own body

>>40382649
yeah and the world is cruel. I guess you go with this narrative so you can just say any woman that doesn't align with your worldview must not be a woman internally or some other cope

>>40382665
no there will always be some variation especially in complex beings like humans but the point is that gender roles are reflective of the average and the fact that some people don’t fit into it doesn’t mean its some oppressive artificial social construct

>>40382649
a woman has more power over a cock than a man with a pussy. a woman can easily injury a man at any moment during fucking. a man can't do shit to a woman's pussy. a bump is more vulnerable than a hole

Gender roles are not bad. I am against the disappearance of gender roles.

>>40382728
because you want to get a dope transbian transwife who somehow settles for your NEET ass and pays for your life

You think that's what being a woman is

>>40382466
Heckin updooted hun

>>40382408 (OP)
>graphic interchange format of a tranny sniffing my fat stinkin half chub

>>40382956
I think you underestimate the amount of support for gender roles among your average cis men and women. Even most cis women who say they're against gender roles aren't against all gender roles.

>>40383014
all gender roles are shit, regardless of what people think

>>40383014
Women literally benefit from the social rules we construct now... men have been comparatively caged

Naturally, yes, woman like their new "role"; never wrong, blame men instead

because trannies are ultra-conservatives willing to do anything to fit into a conservative world
they want gender roles to be as strict as possible because women benefit from that, and trannies are slaves and simps for women

>>40382408 (OP)
no

>>40383525
yes

>>40383591
see>>40383525
or dont bother asking if you're so convinced you know the answer already

>>40383521
>>40383035
the only way women benefit from gender roles is in your most lazy, hedonistic, basement dwelling, and couch potato brain. sure, women technically don't have to do as much in order to just survive, child rearing is technically less physically demanding than the jobs men do.

but the only way you think women have it better is if all you want to do is work as little as possible. women are discouraged or not allowed to pursue life, actually living. politics, science, art, etc all these things that matter to people women aren't allowed into. and even if you don't care about that, you're still going to be viewed as a child or stupid with these gender roles, assuming you want to or are a woman.

men have to work harder to survive but they get to have fuller lives. being a woman only seems beneficial to you because all you want from life is to play video games all day, eat food, and sleep all day.

>>40383712
women are the creators and enforcers of gender roles - all social rules and norms you see and witness were created by women to benefit their kind alone at the expense of men

>>40383727
>all social rules and norms you see and witness were created by women to benefit their kind alone at the expense of men
No, they were created by old patriarchal Christians, and we've inherited their views on gender roles for a long time.

>>40383754
religion was created for and designed to enshrine the power of women over men in society
there has never been a patriarchy and never will be - we have always lived in a matriarchy

>>40383727
retard. I just said women have no power
>>40383754
no every culture and religion since the agricultural revolution independently became misogynistic, due to men

>>40383712
Women can do art, politics, science, etc.
If anything, American women are the gigaprincesses who could do all these things, espouse girlbossing, and don't-need-no-man lifestyle by outearning lots of men and using random suitors for sex and dinners.

However, they can also just find a male support system and give up. It's the power of choice.
Failed men just turn into trannies because they have one option: earn and support.

>>40382408 (OP)
I'm confused if you are complaining about sexual submission or traditionalist gender roles in society.

Straight trans women don't seem to vary too much from what regular cis women like. Some them have issues around shame and sex negativity that can be expressed unhealthily but it's not like that's unheard of in cis women.

I do think you can find a lot of trans people, especially transwomen who see a lot of allure traditionalist gender roles. Imagine you are a person who has been kicked and abused and isolated all your life. No matter how much you try to make yourself fit other's expectations you just can't do it and are punished. In despair you feel like you must be broken or sick in the head. But then someone comes to you and says okay you know what? One more chance. We've got some new expectations and a new box to fit you in and if you do it then we promise you'll be comfortable. You might throw yourself into those new toxic expectations out of desperation. Whatever you tell me a "woman" is supposed to do I'll do it, I'll conform, and then I won't be hurt again.

>>40383774
women have all the power - you are a female supremacist and view women as perfect and untouchable and you fear them being held accountable for their crimes against humanity

>>40383840
>Women can do art,
if that's true why are there much less women in those things?

>Failed men just turn into trannies
almost every man is transphobic and violently unwilling to marry a transgender woman. you literally have a better chance of becoming a house husband to a woman or a gay man than to marry a man as a tranny and enact that traditional lifestyle. failed men don't transition, they either kill themselves or spend the rest of their lives alone

>>40383912
They don't do art as much because they don't have to.

Men can't exactly create life and then society claps, we need to build our own things to fill time and show our worthiness.

>>40383936
women's greatest accomplishment is lying back and taking dick

>>40383936
what do you mean they don't have to? people don't get into art for personal gain they do it because it's fun and fulfilling. any form of art is notoriously hard to make money from

>>40382408 (OP)
It's always people who have never made any attempt to dress or act in a way that is gender non-conforming who are always on about "muh trannies entrenching gender roles"
You first nigga

>>40384002
trannies are making gender roles 100x stricter than they would be otherwise

>>40382408 (OP)
>is using medical science to change your appearance, getting surgeries, dressing in clothes that do not match your agab reinforcing gender roles?
you're stupid. so incredibly stupid. changing your gender goes against gender roles you halfwit. what the hell kind of Psy op is thinking that changing your gender is acting like a 1950s housewife. I promise you that transgender people are not what the patriarchy had in mind in the twentieth century, or today. leave trans people alone

>>40382408 (OP)
>do transgender people perpetual traditional (bad) gender roles?
Not reading the rest of this LLM post, but for the benefit of any tourists I'll simply point out that this is a double standard which cisgender people could never be held to. Transgender women who don't have a hyper femme gender expression are routinely called men or criticized as being 'male socialized' while those who do conform to feminine gender expectations are told they are 'upholding gender stereotypes. In either case, only the gender expression of trans people is weaponized to suggest that trans people have no right to exist; cis people at worst have to worry about getting called a bulldyke or a pickme.

>>40382408 (OP)
imagine if gender roles didn't exist and certain clothing and behavior wasn't stereotyped as "feminine".
what would these freaks have left to roleplay as? if gender roles didn't exist, being a woman would only be defined by biological factors, and they can't change those.

>>40384153
>they can't change those
I grew tits and swapped my cock for a pussy Janice, you're not special.

>>40384153
Why do you think we get take hormones and get SRS, FFS/FMS, and even rib removal or height increasing surgeries?

>a lot of transgender people feel like gender is inherent to someone's soul or some shi
Gender is inherent to someone's "soul" and no amount of feminist sperging about "muh social constructs" will change this.

>>40382693
>a man can't do shit to a woman's pussy.
Nigga, "raped to death" is a thing

>>40382408 (OP)
I'm a man and I think rape is hot. Need me a tranny slave that is willing to roleplay my rape fantasies. Where are you finding em? Thus far every tranny I encountered was some insufferable feminist hoe that would seethe about how me wanting to fuck them as they struggle to leave my grasp is PrObLeMaTic

>>40384210
trans women are men
trans men are women
surgeries make zero difference, nor do hormones

>>40382408 (OP)
>do transgender people perpetual traditional (bad) gender roles?
Yes, but let's be real: gender roles are never going away no matter what. It's not possible to get rid of them no matter what anyone does. Anyone who thinks that one day men will be able to submissive or wear skirts is likely wrong, most men simply don't desire any of that, so it won't go away.

>>40384340
All very true. And also: women are inherently submissive, as can be seen from our closest primate relatives and from how every single culture EVER held women as men's property

>>40384381
women are dominant and aggressive socially - idiot males like you run cover for their malicious actions

>>40382408 (OP)
Gender and the concept of sex are social constructs, so gender dysphoria is ingrained through socialization. So when you internalize womanhood, it's typical you're gonna be more fem/submissive than your average male.

>>40384426
women are incredibly aggressive and hostile
just see what happens when they don't get their way

>>40384394
blablabla cope foid women are so submissive just being told "math isn't for girls!" Already deters them from pursuing every single STEM career

>>40384488
women are intellectually retarded

>>40384488
>foid women are so submissive just being told "math isn't for girls!" Already deters them from pursuing every single STEM career
Yes cis women are not resilient, unlike trans women who will repress for 5 decades just because their father told them to 'cut that fag shit out' when he caught them wearing a skirt age 4. Get over yourself sis lmao.
t. trans woman

>>40382408 (OP)
Idk I like to keep a more andro presentation and it worms me a lot but I just cant be assed to care about makeup and shit. Like I want to care about it but I just cant.
So not all trans women ig.