If you reject self-ID, it seems to me like you have to either reject the idea that gender dysphoria is a mental illness or concede that if being transgender isn't itself a mental illness it's both a result of and treatment for a mental illness, then treat the problem more like a mental health destigmatization problem then one of accepting a minority identity group. But even in the crowd that rejects self-ID, this doesn't seem like a popular strategy. It seems they acknowledge gender dysphoria is a mental illness, that without gender dysphoria you can't be trans, but they still theorize about gender transition as if it's something that exists independently from the mental disorder that makes it necessary. Why do you think this is? Do you think that a strategy of destigmatization, that basically says treating transgender people according to their desires gender is a form of accommodation similar to building infrastructure for the physically disabled, might be more easily accepted by the public than asking them to completely replace their ideas on sex and gender?

>>40394870 (OP)
Okay but how does this solve misandry from jewish shishkas in the news room

it's not a mental illness
sex identity is set by irreversible brain changes that happen prenatally. brain scan is the only way to objectively determine whether a tranny is a tranny. a psychiatrist can say whatever, he's not a mindreader.

>>40394929
desu this is also a fine strategy imo. But you have to either contest whether it's a mental illness or fully accept it is my point

>>40394882
jewish women are SO FUCKING MAN HATING
holy god why do they hate men so much?>>40394929
>brain scan is the only way to objectively determine whether a tranny is a tranny.
what are they looking for?

>>40394870 (OP)
i think youre stupid

>>40394929
All the brain scan studies are done by comparing averages, measuring the individual data points would be inconclusive because all of the tranny brains fall within the data set of the cis distribution too.

>>40394870 (OP)
>they still theorize about gender transition as if it's something that exists independently from the mental disorder that makes it necessary
I don’t really get what you mean here, could you elaborate or give an example of this?

>>40394870 (OP)
>treating transgender people according to their desires gender is a form of accommodation similar to building infrastructure for the physically disabled
i mean thats basically how most countries already treat it? It's technically "mental illness" or "neurological disorder" but it's basically treated in a way similar to long-term disability, with specific accomodations and all
Yall really forget how much "minority legal rights" and "disability legal rights" overlap. Both often get accomodations for permament/semi-permament characteristics, both have specific anti-discriminatory laws.

>>40396238
That's why it's a brilliant idea! Gatekeep all the hons! With SCIENCE

>>40396427
passing is a myth

>>40394870 (OP)
this is almost always the problem when people try to claim that someone else holds contradictory beliefs, definitions. try to think alternatives before you do this.

>>40396438
we will let the TrannyScanny 3000 decide that

>>40394929
>brain scan is the only way to objectively determine whether a tranny is a tranny.
not one (1) tranny has ever been diagnosed via brain scan

>>40396489
its almost like the brain scan business is just a psyop to pressure you to accept crossdressing men as women and means nothing practical

>>40396489
>>40396504
1. least obvious samefag
2. they're done by averages like most brain scan studies

>>40396475
It will only allow 11 transgirls to exist

Thousands will scream and stab estradiol into the asscheeks or whatever trannies do

>>40396675
We don't measure transpeople for diagnosis withho brain scans.
The times that has been done was for research, not even to necessarily test the viability of a hypothetical TrannyScanny 3000

>>40396675

>>40396988
>inspect element
>remove (you)
>>40396708
yes thats why i said (2.). That's the same reason autism isnt diagnosed via brain scanning

>>40397024
all trannies have autism
women don't need to argue their womanhood online
you are a man and always will be

>>40394870 (OP)
what if I don't consider it a mental illness but instead an intersex one that affects early neural development.
congenital neuroanatomical pseudohermaphroditism (pseudohermaphroditism refers to a gonad that is mismatched with the internal reproductive system/external genitals, in this case it refers specifically to neuroanatomical features being mismatched with the exterior phenotype)

>>40397229
you are closer to male than female no matter how many words you use

bump

>>40397799
Actually we sit quite comfortably in the middle.

>>40398734
>comfortably
Well...

>>40398734
no, far closer to male than female, in every single instance with ZERO total exceptions

>>40394870 (OP)
sex is immutable trannies can be allowed do whatever they want tk their bodies but they can’t force society to give in to their delusions

>>40399319
I heard from the pulpit that sex is immutable, just as a cookie was turned into flesh.

>>40399319
>do whatever they want tk their bodies
trans people should be forced on massive, heroic doses of birth sex hormones until they perish