>be me ftm in college
>been friends with cism friend for 3 years who is presumed straight
>he constantly does gay jokes and i dont really like it cause im a gayden and ashamed of it.
>have crush on him but hes rejected having a relationship with me and i agree to be normal friends. he doesnt even like me back
>doesnt even hang out or talk to me that often anymore and i always try to fix things up so we can still be friends
>one day he comes over to study for an exam
>we take a break and eventually lay on the same bed and we have discussed how its normal between friends at this point
>he starts touching my butt out of nowhere and im conflicted cause i dont want to reject him romantically but i've told him many times i dont want to do sexual things outside of relationships
>put his hands away into a hug which is more normal
>he tries shoving his hands down my pants
>say i dont want to do it out loud and grab his hand
>he inmediately looks like his world crashed down
>he tells me he wont date me and that he doesnt like me and that something took over him and that he wasnt thinking at all
>i start crying and he cries and apologizes but gets mad at me and starts shaking me
>months pass, im more and more mad and grossed out by it everyday
>genuinely ruining my life. cant sleep or concentrate without feeling sad and angry
>cant tell my parents about it without them thinking that their little daughter got raped while away in college and that im stupid for believing anyone wanted to actually be friends with me
>i want to beat the shit out of him now but ill probably get expelled if i do
what the fuck do i do. i feel so humiliated because this is the most fembrained thing to happen to someone. i just wanted a normal relationship or friendship. the worst part is that i miss when he was normal and a good friend since i had never had friends before college. how do i stop feeling like a cuck

inb4 of course he sees you as a woman yes i know which is why i dont let people touch me

>>40402475 (OP)
god being a gayden sounds terrible lmao

>>40402523
it is which is why its mandatory to be celibate

>>40402475 (OP)
go to therapy

nigga you type way to much to be a man im not reading this shit but it could be reduced to like two sentences

>>40402475 (OP)
Next time don't befriend a cis straight guy as a (assuming here) pre-T ftm. Not blaming you because it was his fault for touching you out of nowhere and then getting mad at you for it.

>>40402475 (OP)
you should have had sex with him

>>40402724
ive been on t for a while. but it doesnt matter. i want to have normal guy friends. i do have other ones that i dont see often and who make me feel a lot less uncomfortable and sad than the last guy but it affects me still

>>40402696
i tried shortening it as best as i could but its complicated

>>40402684
therapist kinda doesnt or didnt really understand how i thought the stuff he was doing was normal. like licking a face as a joke. i thought it was just a funny joke to gross someone out but he kept asking me if i thought it was normal when i told him he did that. i had very little friends for very little time all my life so now im even more confused

>>40402727
it would only have benefitted him i dont wanna do that shit with someone who wont even discuss it with me first

>>40402785
Try finding some other friends you can talk to more often. What happened to you fucking sucks though and it makes sense you are still upset over it. If he rejected your advances but then went on to randomly touch you its clear he has some problems of his own.

>>40402801
learn to have fun in life

>>40402806
ive only got online friends who i can really be myself with. he was my only actually close friend for a long long time.
>its clear he has some problems of his own
i dont know if i should have sympathy for him after this and a lot of other stuff he did throughout our friendship. it seems too creepy.

>>40402810
im a human being so being used and discarded isnt fun for me. suit yourself though

>>40402475 (OP)
Just be his gf you dumbass

>>40402834
No guy is going to hang around your dumb girl ass for 3 years just hit it once and leave. They wouldn't even do 3 months

>>40402475 (OP)
Have sex with him

>>40403122
he said thats what he wouldve done and i believe him cause hes done worse and worse

You don’t stop feeling emasculated, welcome to being most men. Only a small minority who never made mistakes because they’re blessed by fate have that privilege.

>>40402832
>i dont know if i should have sympathy for him after this and a lot of other stuff he did throughout our friendship
bro have some self respect. he said he doesn't like you, he doesn't seem all that interested in even being friends, he fucking saed you. there are just awful men out there and he is one, keep him at arm's length or cut his ass off. he's not going to be your bf

>>40402796
Find a better one! Seriously, unless you're in a town of 50 there is guaranteed to be others.
You're pathetic for not seriously trying to fix your shit.

>>40404656
people who can't come to terms with how they feel about you are often the most dangerous. it sounds like he's attracted to you and likes you but his own psychological issues are getting in the way and twisting the expression of his feelings into something toxic. i'm sorry that happened to you, and that you're going through this. regardless of how good the person underneath his bullshit seems to be, it's not worth putting yourself in danger
>>i want to beat the shit out of him
that's a common response to SA. i still wish i'd had the courage to beat the shit out of the boy who SA'd me when i was 12, after it happened. but obviously there will be consequences if you just walk up behind him and clock him with a 2x4

I should be more grateful for being gynephilic, I didn't get it at first but liking men really makes affects the afab mind. Being rejected by straight women for being being a dickless lesbian manlet is emasculating but at least women don't aim for the poonhole and imagine me as the tomboi mommy to their future brood. Good luck dood.

>>40402475 (OP)
you think he pretended to be friends with you for 3 years or..? because yes, that'd be a pretty fembrained thing to think.
desu if i was in a situation where i had a crush on a male friend and he came onto me i don't think i'd be able to resist.
what happened was he was thinking with his dick for a moment and said fuck it, that's it. he probably thought you'd be into it if you kept acting like you loved him
also you weren't sexually assaulted btw

>>40404895
so you still with that bitch who's trying to detrans you, or what

>>40402475 (OP)
Okay in my experience straight guys are literally always playing gay chicken with each other for some stupid reason or another and basically it's impossible to participate in that if you are attracted to men so this:
> i just wanted a normal relationship or friendship
Is never gonna happen with a straight man. they are always going to treat you like this if they find out you actually are seriously attracted to men and not just playing a elaborate prank about it, and then you'll be the gay friend who they don't play gay chicken with. I can't tell if he was actually trying to do something with you tho but yeah you fucked up, I'm so glad I don't have to play this stupid game anymore
t. mtf

>>40405048
>gay chicken
i could never put my finger on it, but this is exactly why they're like this. and then if you troon and they feel attracted to you the gay chicken wire gets crossed with the fuck girls wire. thanks nona, you cleared some stuff up for me

>>40405048
>straight guys are literally always playing gay chicken with each other for some stupid reason
it's virtue signaling. being able to do and say gay shit as a joke with your straight guy friends is evidence that neither of you are gay. if you are made uncomfortable by this straight guys take it as you not wanting to because you're gay as straight people instinctively know it's a joke because they're both straight.

>>40404707
i dont think it counts as SA i definitely conciously let it get to the point as i didnt really know what to do but i wish i stopped him faster

>>40402475 (OP)
>gay bottom
lol you dont
not ever
get used to it or become an FtMtF

>>40404959
>you werent SA'd
yeah bro i know. i dont think he was pretending to be friends with me or anything but i dont want to have to be careful around him just in case he thinks with his dick. im horny and lonely too but i didnt go trying to touch him out of nowhere and i would never do that to someone

>>40405048
he did say he wanted to have sex with me in the moment and that it was his intention though but that he doesnt want a relationship. which makes it sound almost as if im just pissed off at the fact i cant get someone to actually care about me enough to date but its him comparing me to south park character and trying to get us to watch the yaoi episode together shit that sent me over the edge!!!

>>40405259
why do you think you're so resistant to to idea that what happened to you was sexual assault?

>>40402475 (OP)
>What do?
Stop talking to him
>Therapy options?
There are none. Unfortunately you must move on, it sucks. Ygmi

>>40405251
>>40402475 (OP)
i should elaborate on this
if youre a gayden, and you bottom, you are not really a man in the eyes of men. you might think yourself as such, but they dont really see you that way. youre either a confused boy, or a low desirability woman to them. yes there are women among the boys, they dont talk about it, but its a thing.

either you need to stop hanging out with straight men entirely, or you need to accept the above and integrate it in whatever way you can because if not its gonna destroy you.

>>40405284
cant i keep hanging out with regular male friends and just pretend i only want to fuck women?

>>40405347
bro you're literally describing me as a pre-transition repping mtf. don't do it. become who you are

>>40405358
ive got friends who know im a gayden yet say they cant see me as a woman and that im a guy. i know they can lie. the guy im talking about did and he was my best friend. but im comfortable with guys and they cant all be assholes like this right

>>40405375
you're gonna have to be prepared for a lot of situations where cis men lowkey force the girl role onto you. just like i would have to be prepared for most cis women to treat me like their safe eunuch golden retriever boyfriend and lowkey put the male role on me. i'd advise you to date lesbians or other ftms, and work out the logistics of that later, rather than engaging in the ill-fated project of trying to get cishetero men to see you as a man

>>40405347
sure if they believe you
it will suck ass like >>40405358 says tho

>>40405471
lesbians will literally see me as a woman but you might be right about the other stuff

>>40405522
don't be so quick to write lesbians off. my bf, a quite effeminate gay man, treats me like more of a woman than any other man i've ever dated. we know a lesbian4ftm couple irl that are a lot like us, in this way. just like some gay guys have the mentality of "she'd be hot if she had a dick," some lesbians have the mentality "he'd be hot if he had a vagina." and bc they are lesbians who typically date women they'll be more appreciative of your male qualities. also, if you like cis dick, don't feel like you have to write that off bc of what i said. i just think it's important to be aware of how cishetero people frequently treat us, which is, as alt-genital-havers whom they can fuck and date and be "queer" with in public while still pretending to be straight to themselves and their friends

>>40405030
Yes, we are going on a date in an hour in fact.

>>40405604
what straight women are you being rejected by, if you're still with her?

>>40405615
I'm talking about the past and also what would happen if I pooned out socially. I was enlightened and cured of my obsession with straight women by pure lesbian love, unironically.

>>40402475 (OP)
He just couldn't resist touching your massive dump truck pooner ass.

>>40402475 (OP)
So… he tried putting your hand down his pant.. you said no… and now you are still crying about it months later
God this is why ppl are misogynistic
Ywnbam

>>40405660
You just know OP's shaped like the juiciest pear you've ever seen.

>>40405259
the way you talk about it is so fucking weird dude. as if you weren't trying to date him for however long. there was a reasonable expectation. if some loser was chasing after you like a lost puppy you'd have full rights lol.
just want to add that this exact situation happens with straight men and their gay friends. they'll offer to let them give a handjob or something because they're horny. i seriously doubt any of them would fall into a violent rage because their crush came onto them, because they know all this shit already. they don't expect straight men to date them in the first place lol. they may feel sad and wish they weren't gay or female or something, idk. they may decide to cut off the friendship because the feels are too much to bear. but for some reason you're making it all about how "he sees me as a woman how dare someone want casual sex he disrespected me reeee time to get revenge!!" like wtf? dude just wanted to nut. only an afab could react this way i swear. welcome to being a faggot though, bud.

>>40405675
idk brah its the fact i told him repeatedly i dont want to do that and that he just did that to talk about how much he doesnt like me after unprompted. and also constantly getting mad at me for being sad about it

>>40405643
it's not pure if she's trying to detroon you

>>40405700
Idk getting harrassed by men is pretty normal
I am mtf but present as he/him, guys are pretty horrible to feminine people in general
Especially if u reject their advances

>>40405700
>constantly moping around him and whining that he won't date you
jesus. no wonder he doesn't want to hang out with you

>>40405711
I'm not a pooner and id as a she/her foid, but she no longer is trying to get me of T if that's what you mean.

>>40405698
cause he wanted casual sex against my will and knowing i didnt like it and have talked about it repeatedly. he was my best friend. if he came onto me respectfully and at least saying something before he tries touching me i wouldnt be mad, its a combination of him breaking that trust and being mad at myself for forgiving him time and time again. i know the world is filled with busted whores who dont care if they ruin their friendships by acting like a slobbering animal, but i still got the right to decide dont i. just because fags let their straight friends hit like because no one will marry them doesnt mean us regular monogamous people have to.

>>40405736
>constantly belittles and acts creepy towards me knowing i dont want it
>is sad about it
>somehow thinks this is about not dating

>>40402475 (OP)
oh, god, do EMDR therapy it will solve this feeling and just move on.

get rid of your bottombrainness like literally that's the reason why you ended up in that situation. you need to be more masculine it's cool i promise it's really cool you just were never taught to it

but whatever. EMDR is gold for you, but you'll reject the advice, i just know it. stupid bitch

>>40405813
fuck you i will take your advice

>>40405764
yeah you have the right to decide, and you fucking DID. you said no, he stopped. i bet lots of gay guys would make that decision, they just wouldn't go into a blind rage because they aren't as entitled as you are.
do you realise how fucking retarded and insane your actions are? desu it's emotional abuse to constantly try to guilt trip this guy into dating you. it's also just fucking pathetic. you don't deserve any respect from this guy acting that way.
you can: shut the fuck up about your feelings; fuck him; end the friendship. if you keep talking about your dumbass feelings no shit he's going to try to fuck you lmao. fucking retard.

>>40405934
idk about you i dont try to touch people who have a crush on me out of nowhere. you treat this as if liking someone inmediately means you fuck them, are you braindead? he shouldnt have tried in the first place, why didnt he respect my choice if i had already told him a million times i was uncomfortable with it. if i tell him he cant touch me outside of a relationship im telling him not to touch me, not that he has to date me

i hate people

>>40405790
>joker: "sapere aude!"
>window bars disappear bc there isn't sufficient intersubjective scientific consensus to determine their objective existence
>"so long, bat-brain!"

>>40405899
you better do and become a real man, you little bitch

>have a male friend
>say you're a gay guy
>hang out with him
>lay in bed together like it's normal
>talk about it and you both agree it's fine
>one day he's horny and he gets touchy
>REEEEEE I'VE BEEN RAPED
are you sure you're a guy and not just a woman who was trying to put a gay security bubble around yourself because you have boundary issues?

>>40407347
women can't be "sure" about anything but it's pretty clear that it is the variety of retarded hole that got "raped" (someone looked at it mean on the bus one time) and so it decided to do the logical thing of cut its tits off and call itself male while having zero understanding of what malehood is aside from being told they live in a mythical land where all men live better lives than all women. who knows, maybe they even do, considering they're free of immense female retardation

>>40407395
get a job

>>40407347
im a retarded gayden too and i dont understand this. how is this rape if he stopped touching you when you told him that you dont want it? is this just because hes "straight"? like 50% of "straight" men are bicurious who gives a shit, sexuality is a modern concept anyway

>>40405988
>out of nowhere
you said you flirted with each other for years and both of you had expressed an interest in something. your exact long term goals were not aligned, and that's the technical reason why you weren't fucking like rabbits. you gave mixed signals anyway, literally hopping into bed with him, he tried to escalate, you said no, and he immediately stopped. how is he to blame here, at all? why is this even a problem? you're an adult aren't you?

>>40408445
i said like 70 times i didnt get raped lol

>>40408517
cause i told him i was uncomfortable with that shit for years. and we told eachother that it was a normal friend thing to do. girls and guys told me it was normal and to this day girls come over and try to get me to lay down with them but now i feel like its a weird romantic thing. so now i dont even know whats weird and what isnt. i was under the assumption that when you say things you actually mean them

>>40402475 (OP)
Least fembrained FTM

>>40408517
>>40408559
>uncomfortable with that shit
means fucking
> and we told eachother that it was a normal friend thing to do
laying in bed together

having read this thread I'm convinced OP is genuinely retarded and is still playing women mindgames

>tell guy you want him
>he reads the situation that you're a tranny and this is probably a bad idea
>distances from you
>time passes
>force yourself back into his life
>after a sweaty day of hitting the books he smells your fishy pheromones in the enclosed room
>hes probably boyvulating ( hasn't masturbated in 3+ days to maintain high focus studying, you would understand this if you were a man )
>hand accidentally grazes your butt
>ohfuckitwhynot.gif
>wants to relieve the both of you
>have the most absolute womanbrained moment possible screaming like a banshee to kill the mood
>have the gall to whine about ''being emasculated'' when you're a gay bottom


I despise people like you.

>>40408723
at least this makes me feel something and is kinda funny

>>40402696
no one gives a shit.
Typical faggot college student falls into lgbt cult and has a considerably more shitty life because of it but denies it's because they transitioned or chose to be a faggot instead of being normal.

>>40408769
for the sake of everyones sanity, please just date cis women.

>>40408823
i dont want to date anyone after this. theyre horrible to me too anyways. i dont know whats wrong with me man why do i even post here i know people are gonna say im a woman. i kinda post this cause i want someone to tell me it was normal and im overreacting and i can forgive him and be friends with him and trust me again i dont know what to do man

>>40408823
if its normal then i dont know why i feel so horrible and disgusted i never got raped or anything i didnt want him to do that. if its not wrong then why do i feel like shit i cant make sense of it. im not lying about anything please help me

>>40408853
If you're born a girl, you STAY a girl.

>>40408853
yes what he did was normal and you fucked up, I'm telling you this as a cis gay man who got his ass felt up by straight friends my entire life men do this shit constantly.

before i was even out as gay my friend would whip his dick around like a helicopter in the basement when we'd jerk off to late night HBO straight porn together.

Apologize for what happened and move on together, its that simple dude

>>40408879
kyle no no goddamn it get him up here oh god no noo no no no and they have a baseball cap on oh god no no no please dont dont there was a man here and we saw the car i think he was following whoever did

>>40408898
but i dont wanna do that with people. how can it be normal for people to try and do that with you anyways. if someone tells me they dont want to i dont even try

>>40408872
>>40408921
you feel horrible because you never had enough time to socialize as a man, men fuck with eachother constantly

Learn to take a moment lightly bro

>>40408872
you probably feel horrible because you're crushing on a guy who doesn't want you and he tried to initiate casual sex but you wanted loving sex. not that hard. it is normal, he's not a bad person, but you're entitled to your feelings too. you don't need to forgive him. you're not a victim. now move on.
>>40408921
>>40405988
>i wasn't raped but i'm going to continually imply that he violated my consent and raped me
>i don't want to fuck him but i'm constantly telling him how into him i am, and then i hopped into bed with him
you clearly DO want to fuck him, you're just resisting that urge because you wanted more. he clearly knew the first part and thought it was a 'fuck it' moment. not rocket science is it?
you're continually saying he's a horrible person and shit when he just doesn't want to date you or deal with your feelings for him. it's perfectly within his rights.
stop self-harming by being around this guy and then blaming him for it. take responsibility for your own feelings and stop guilt tripping the people you crush on. boom, problem solved.

>>40408898
> before i was even out as gay my friend would whip his dick around like a helicopter in the basement when we'd jerk off to late night HBO straight porn together.
yeah i'm just realizing i didn't get a lot of male socialization.
my female best friend and I went to watch mamma mia together when I was 16.
> t. tranny

>>40408853
>i kinda post this cause i want someone to tell me it was normal and im overreacting
this is the most fembrained shit ever why cant you make your own conclusions and decide whats the best for you with your own head

>>40409017
but he is horrible to me. he lied for years about just seeing me as a woman and stands me up and more shit like that through the years. i wouldnt hate him if it was just this. but a lot of what youre saying isnt what happened. i dont know if youre trying to help me or not im scared of believing him again and trying to fix things again and getting walked over like all my life. i thought i had guts this time

>>40409040
im always wrong and i want to at least take decisions that dont make me feel like a dumbass compared to everyone else

>>40408853
you're overreacting, your reaction is not appropriate, and his behavior is normal. at the risk of being condescending, if you're a man you're conditioned to understand that your physical presence is rapey, you do not get into bed or cuddle with ANYONE, male or female, unless:

-you want to have sex with the other person or at least move things in that direction, or at least you're open to it

-it's a survival situation where you're doing it in response to physical danger

-special case: you or the other person is having a major psychological crisis and in the immediate context, it is understood that there's no sexual implication whatsoever

nobody in real life instigates sex by drafting a contract and going through the terms point by point, real life is not an HR manual, the "do you consent" messaging is aimed at psychos who don't understand nonverbal cues, if at one point one of you was like "nah I'm not into you", and you later hop into bed together, it's understood that the previous "nah" is now null and void and you're resetting. it does NOT mean you've agreed to have sex, but it DOES mean that additional touching, petting, caressing, kissing, groping, etc are welcomed by both of you, you can always flip the switch off at any time and get out of bed, but you should NOT be surprised if "out of nowhere" (lol) the other person kisses or cops a feel, from his point of view, you've signaled that you're good to get down and dirty by getting that close and remaining that close with no alternative pretext like one of you just found out you're about to die of cancer or there's a lion outside and you're hiding in a cave

>>40409017
>it's perfectly within his rights.
im saying this outside of my rules of morality but who decides this? who decided its people's right to try and fuck someone without even caring about if they want to or not? in my mind, people like that are wrong and should die/be castrated at least as of right now. do you mean legal rights? if so then true, but that doesnt make it any more or less "wrong"

>>40409125
>aimed at psychos who don't understand nonverbal cues
i told him a million times i dont get those. i dont get anything about body language or whatever. god the world is so wrong, people really are disgusting animals

>>40409155
but what does that mean "try and fuck someone", he put his hands on your no-no parts, in the context of two horny people "just cuddling" (lol) that's a normal way to say "hey I'm feeling horny you wanna fuck now?", what do you expect him to do, drill a brain probe into your skull and download your mental state? people's interest in fucking changes by the minute, whatever you said last month is for all practical purposes irrelevant if you're now in bed together, all he did was ask, without putting it into words because that's fucking weird and no one does that

>>40409125
>>40409169

you are right though at least in this way it makes sense to me. to me it was out of nowhere im not lying about that and i was surprised i just hoped that no one who was a friend would actually do that to me if they knew my limits and stuff i dont want to do

>>40409181
>no one does that
b b but iiii do that mister hahaha

Have you tried not being a bitch, if you want to not feel ''emasculated'' try going for his ass next time.

>>40409242
i dont want to have sex with someone who lies to me

>>40409273
right, you're lying to yourself dood. you're a bit old to be playing the i am clueless card.

>>40409335
why do you think i want to

>>40409360
nta but my take on this is that you realize your reaction is weird, you're self conscious about it, and you're trying hard to construct a narrative where this was a betrayal from a trusted friend rather than just a sexually awkward misunderstanding compounded by the fact that one of you (you) is insecure about your sexuality and identity

you want this story to have a good guy and a bad guy, and you need for the good guy to be you, when more likely neither of you did anything especially wrong, but you've committed to your version of the story and you feel like you have to run with it or it will be even worse, psychologically or otherwise

>>40409410
the truth is i wanted to hang out with a friend and not have sex that day. not even if i liked him. i didnt trust him enough to do it and now i never will. i always thought it was at least something you ask someone before doing it. no one just fucks without thinking, people always think unless theyre drugged or asleep. i hate that he excuses himself like that and that i believed him when he obviously has a functioning brain and just chooses to do whatever he wants with me. ive been trying for so long to stop defending him and now it turns out i was wrong and that he was innocently flirting with me? all the work i put into stopping being a pushover and a mat was for nothing.

i dont ever want to be near people again after what you guys have taught me, knowing people will just assume if i want to put genitals together or not and inmediately get to it grosses me out. i cant believe it.

Pooners are women because nobody else would fuck themselves this badly

Stay women
Stop pooning
Receive penis in vagina

>>40407395
Profound fucking TRVKE orbital strike on insecure girls that want to act like girls but are scared of acting like a girl

don the wig and be his girl, his babe

>Waaaahhh a guy made a pass and me and stopped when I told him to!!!

Kids have no resilience these days, very cringe on his part but let this be a learning experience for you

he probably smelled your pheramones you are were unintentionally giving off

>>40409106
>He's horrible to me and has treated me bad for years! Yet if he asked to date I would say yes immediately :)

Holy fembrain!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>40409742
but he did ask. he did not assume anything. you seem to think the way it works is someone says "can I have a green light to pound your hole, right now, until I nut" and you give a yes or a no and then, maybe, you recite the grid coordinates of the part of the body he's allowed to touch and the number of newtons of force he can apply and shit like that but obviously, it doesn't work like that.

the real question is/was: "do you like what we're doing? do you want to keep doing it?"

and you said yes, yes, yes, and then at some point you changed to no, and he stopped. that's how it's supposed to work

he did everything he was supposed to, and so did you. you didn't want to have sex. and you didn't. what's the problem? you're not satisfied with just "ok let's stop", you want him to douse himself in gasoline and self-immolate like a buddhist monk?

>>40409742
>Nobody just fucks without thinking
>A whole thread full of people telling you otherwise
>NOOO ITS THE WORLD THAT'S WRONG NOT ME!!

>>40409828
/thread

>laying on the bed together
>normal for adults
idk, that is something kids would do maybe.

>put his hands away into a hug which is more normal
does that mean you hugged him after he touched your butt? I mean if I was a testosterone filled man I'd already be hard at this point and think that you are down to clown. Regardless of what you think about yourself his millennia of biology is telling him it is fuck time.

Sucks that this happened I guess but it could've went so much worse, many guys DON'T listen to no when they are in peak horny mode.

>>40402475 (OP)
Bruh

>>40410460
the level of cluelessness about sexuality is almost funny but it's frightening to think there are people out there like this and I wonder how many men have been branded as rapists because they jumped into bed with someone who thinks it's normal for two adults to writhe around in bed and hug and frot without any sexual implications

>>40402475 (OP)
Reading this and seeing your comments throughout this thread, especially about therapy and not understanding nonverbal cues, I can safely say you are not FTM. You are a very autistic girl who's caught a social contagion. You are being "fembrained" because you literally have a female brain.

good thread, i enjoyed reading the analysis here, thanks all.