The female estrogen-driven model of sexual attraction is objectively inferior to the male testosterone-driven one.
>females are sexually aroused by non-physical traits, such as romantic gestures, personality traits, feeling intimate and close, etc.
>female sexuality is responsive, meaning that they don’t feel compelled to have sex, they respond to another’s desire for themselves
This is needlessly redundant, as each of these sexual triggers for women are just symptomatic of romantic love in general. There is zero hornyness or lust for their partner’s body.
>male sexuality is driven by a strong attraction to their partner’s body. They highlight specific anatomical features that they admire in their partner
This is better than the female model because it allows for both aspects of a healthy relationship - genuine romantic love and admiration of their partner through non-physical traits, and sexual attraction to their partner’s body. This makes the relationship affirming in both physical and emotional ways. That’s why relationships with women are so dysfunctional.

>>40406020 (OP)
What a way to say you would be attracted to Hitler if his body was a 10/10 to you

>>40406071
A man would be able to make the distinction between the two types of attraction, and say “He’s hot, but a relationship with him is bad for me”. A woman, on the other hand, wouldn’t care if he was a 10/10 or a 2/10, since physical attraction isn’t a factor. She would just be sexually attracted to his dominant traits or status and ruin her own life. I didn’t say that women are good at judging healthy personality traits from bad, just that they are sexually aroused by certain ones.

Furthermore, even the women who are attracted to healthy traits are going to create tumultuous relationships, because if the behavior they are attracted to becomes inconsistent (words of affection, financial support, etc) they check out of the relationship. It’s just as shallow as the men who are picky about women’s body types, but society just doesn’t chastise women in the same way, so they get away with it.

>>40406020 (OP)
ok ur gay we get it.

bump for the truth

>>40406020 (OP)
>females are sexually aroused by non-physical traits
Lost you there, didn't read the rest of the post because of the initial blunder.

i sometimes wonder if women's apparently attraction to physical traits is really just an attraction to what those traits represent to them

>>40406020 (OP)
Dude, I'm saying this as kindly as possible, either kys or go outside. We do feel aroused by visuals. We do feel compelled to have sex. You'd know this if you weren't gay AND retarded. If you were simply gay, you'd notice how the popular guys are always hot, how women cheat when the husband gains weight, you'd notice the insane obsession with buff men, young men, and other common types women like. If anything, you would infer physical attractiveness is a factor from all the incels' whining about height, balding, jaws and noses, prettiness, etc. Sadly, your intellectual capacity doesn't span that far.

>>40407011
so weird how holes always have to put themselves in a group down to how they speak lol. "we" because if it said "i" it might be possible to hold them accountable for when they say something retarded like it just did. hilarious how they're all literally the same.

>>40407259
I can't wait until middle schoolers go back in a few weeks.

>>40407259
Nigga what

>>40407259
>op groups all women into one category
>reply addresses it
>illiterate esl pulls down pants and shits in the middle of the thread
say something interesting or gtfo

>>40407011
>these people arent getting access to my holes so i can look down on them

It's crazy how roasties literally can't conceive of any capacity in which they have value aside from their holes. No wonder they all go crazy at some point. You can pretend all you like but you're the one at the end of the days that honestly admits you're worthless except as a sex object, no one else said it.

>>40407303
Edgy boi. 99% probability FTM hands wrote this.

>>40407011
women claim that they aren't and say that only men are shallow enough to value these things. to be honest you can't blame men for having this understanding.

>>40406945
>>40407011
>>40407548
It’s simple. Women value things like height and musculature not because they are sexually attracted, but because of two factors - society constantly puts out messaging placing importance on these traits and women follow in suit because they are attracted to high status. The other is that these traits make women feel small and feminine in comparison. It’s meta attraction. They don’t actually get horny over looking at muscles or long legs.

>>40407740
>They don’t actually get horny over looking at muscles or long legs
I can tell you thats not true. Either youre wrong or im incredibly high testosterone

>>40406020 (OP)
estrogen isn't responsible for arousal in women. arguably it's caused by the small amounts of androgens in their body + progesterone
so both men and women's sexualities are primarily driven by T, the differences in sexual interests/behavior are caused by differences in brain structure.

>>40407762
You likely have high T. The role and purpose of each sex hormone is different in nature, despite both sexes having a mix of the two.

T is meant to drive natural selection through individuals favoring a wide variety of specific physical traits. That's why you see males with unique fetishes, like fat fetish, giantess, feet, hairy armpits, big nipples, tiny girls, futa, etc. These are all physical traits and nature just wires males to try many different things and the best traits survive. It's just nature throwing stuff and the wall and seeing what sticks.

E on the other hand, is meant to just make breeding easier and favor high status males. That's why pregnancy, lactation, bdsm, and rape fetishes are common amongst women - less resistance to being bred. Even an AMAB who takes E will experience this! And that is why a layman would think women are sexually attracted to muscles. It's actually just an attraction to perceived strength.

>>40407740
Nice hypothesis, too bad it misses the mark completely. For someone who wants to be a woman, you think too much like a boomer man.
>muh meta attraction
Seriously, seek help. I'm going to go masturbate to my compilation of Timothee Chalamet filmed from behind.

what the fuck are any of you talking about?

>>40407938
Anon thinks women are incapable of arousal unless it's meta attraction because it validates his tranny feelings. I'm laughing at him.

>>40407926
The fact that you are fawning over Timothee Chalamet specifically and not a random man on local social media or OnlyFans that more precisely meets your physical preferences, proves my point. You'll never be able to date a movie star so why are you obsessing over him? Answer: because of his status.

>>40406020 (OP)
>female sexuality is responsive, meaning that they don’t feel compelled to have sex, they respond to another’s desire for themselves

Depends on the part of our cycle. We kinda get into "heat" during ovulation and are as horny as men.

>>40407981
No, it's because of his looks. I have plenty of nameless men in my folder but random twink #452 doesn't have any sort of ring to it.
>nooooo it's status, I insist
Since when are you a mind reader? I'm literally explaining to you how it all works.

You miss one thing that gets women horny. Sounds.

We are usually not as visual as men but I've seen some ASMR actors who give the lewd boyfriend or daddy experience with HUNDREDS of horny women in the comments, paying for their patreon, begging for daddies attention. I mean actual women, not troons.

>>40407923
Wow I thought my retarded deviantart tier fetishes were just internet induced autism and getting aroused by attractive bodies was just normal attraction, I wouldn't have guessed I was actually a high T femchad. Wish the rest of my body got the memo

>>40408026
Why are you as a gay man pretending to be a woman?

>>40407983
>during ovulation
Haha I wish. (horny 24/7, T normal)

>>40406020 (OP)

Men are chimps who rape and kill women are angels who aim to please, your argument is invalid.

>>40407981
>You'll never be able to date a movie star so why are you obsessing over him?
nigga what

>>40406020 (OP)
>There is zero hornyness or lust for their partner’s body
lmao. one of the most retarded things I've read in awhile. Have you ever talked to a real woman?

>>40408041
I am not a homosexual male

>male sexuality is driven by a strong attraction to their partner’s body. They highlight specific anatomical features that they admire in their partner
im a female ftm repper and im like this. if a guy is my type all i can think about is ravaging his asshole with my strap and tracing his body with my tongue. personality is a nice bonus but i can overlook it. i dont care about romantic gestures or romance in general

>>40406020 (OP)
>This is better than the female model because it allows for both aspects of a healthy relationship - genuine romantic love and admiration of their partner through non-physical traits
I feel like this is only true in theory. While I do agree that responsive attraction has insidious flaws which aren't nearly as socially chastized as spontaneous desire (looks), I feel like the average male struggles way more than you're imagining with romantic affection, and usually learns to balance this with pure lust through interaction and comparison with female love. Obviously, this is mostly an anecdotal observation, but I don't see how you can make such a sweeping judgement about both genders when, collectively, male love is so clearly lopsided towards looks, sometimes bordering on the hedonistic. Think of just how many sex workers are female compared to male, for example

>>40408042
Outliners always exist. Some normal T men are borderline asexual and some women have a sex drive as high as a man, almost.

But even among the "high sex drive women" you rarely see unhinged gay male behaviour where they constantly hook up with strangers or go to orgies.
If women do this then during manic phases or because they are sexual abuse victims 99% of the time.

>>40407011
If you haven't tried testosterone, its extremely different. The literally sight of anything smooth/naked makes you feel extremely horny immediately.

>>40408179
Okay, sure. But it doesn't change the fact that OP is wrong about female attraction.

>>40408149
yeah when you talk to men they literally can't comprehend love without sex and insist love = sex

>>40408219
Sex is a vital aspect of romantic love, you can't deny that. It's something special to be shared with a life partner. You typically don't fuck your friends.

On the other hand, you can love someone else in a non-romantic way. You don't want to fuck your friends but you love them all the same.

If you're on estrogen and it's nuked your sex drive, that's NOT a good thing. On the other hand, if your drive is so high you can't function, that's not good either.

>>40408280
>You typically don't fuck your friends.
i beg your pardon?????

>>40408174
>they constantly hook up with strangers
I've fucked a lot of women who only wanted me for my pretty face, nice body and big dick. They didnt know me very well, some not at all. Judging from their words and actions, they were physically attracted and lustful.

>>40408381
The MAJORITY of women isn't enjoying "hook ups" with random men. There might be a small % of hypersexual women who are manic, got abused as kids or whatever niche. There's even studies about this that most women say one night stands and the like make them feel worse afterwards whereas men feel better.

There's this game called Love and Deepspace a game with like "perfect" men to date and it's huge, it made over 100$ million in a few weeks with horny and lovesick women even though it's for free so just from extra things people can buy. But anyway the SHORTEST male love interest is 6 feet.

Female romance, smut or porn usually follows this theme:
>Man is tall
>Man is beautiful
>Man is dominant/powerful in some way (vampire, surgeon, millionaire, wizard, fae, mafia boss)
>Man is obsessed with woman

That's it.

>>40408468
>The MAJORITY of women isn't enjoying "hook ups" with random men
>only if you act on it does it count
lol
that doesnt mean the majority of women dont feel physical attraction either....I dont think you've ever had an actual relationship with a woman platonic or otherwise. You are utterly clueless lol.

>>40408219
not entirely false, but I feel this is still also unfair.
if men fall to superficial looks, you could say women tend to overidealize superficial traits (e.g: financial safety, "green and red flags" or vibes, social standing,...).
generally, we *all* are pretty simple people; yet love is weird, it can be a protocol for some or a game of cat-and-mouse to others. these grand statements can help us to understand, but they will never be Truth

>>40408586
I'm a woman (female) in a relationship with a man.

>only if you act on it does it count
What are you even saying? The average woman doesn't crave random, soulless hook-ups with big dick guys. That's a small percentage of mentally ill sluts who probably got diddled as a kid. When women FUCK a "big dick Chad" they often hope to have a relationship with him or to win him over, not to get pumped and dumped like a gay boy Grindr hook up.

>>40408631
Newsflash: straight men are bad at sex.

>>40406020 (OP)
>There is zero hornyness or lust for their partner’s body.
There's definitely horniness and lust for the male form lol, just maybe not for an overweight schlub

>>40408631
>I'm a woman (female) in a relationship with a man.
>and im dead inside or im a lying tranny
lol


>The average woman doesn't crave
The average women feels physical attraction and lust. If you dont, cuz your supposeldy a women lol, then you are dead inside.

>>40409191
>The average women feels physical attraction and lust.
Yeah we see that in the lesbian scene and how little of a hook-up culture they have compared to gay men who have orgies, grindr and are non-monogamous all the time. I get it you're a projecting incel thinking he "knows" women but you don't know shit.

>>40408631
>When women FUCK a "big dick Chad" they often hope to have a relationship with him or to win him over, not to get pumped and dumped like a gay boy Grindr hook up.
an actual women would never write that lol

>only people who were sexually abused are promisicous
you really gonna go with that, billy?

>>40409212
>compared to gay men who have orgies, grindr and are non-monogamous all the time
>memetake
>all gay men are raging sluts constantly at origies
>women never have sex of their own accord
what a retard lol

>>40409232
>women never have sex of their own accord

Never said. Keep coping hard, bitch.
If you want to deny that gay men fuck around WAAAY more than lesbians you're mentally ill.

"Studies indicate that a significant percentage of gay men, often cited as 40-50%, engage in some form of consensual non-monogamy, while lesbian couples show much lower rates, around 4-5%."

LMAO keep coping moid

>>40409216
>an actual women would never write that lol
You can't even debunk what I said. I citied studies and examples like extremely popular games making millions each month. And yes, they are dating "big dick Chads" and aren't fucked and pumped by them like a gay man.

>>40409450
> a significant percentage of gay men, often cited as 40-50%, engage in some form of consensual non-monogamy
as a housewife tranny this is honestly a great reminder that i made the right call trooning.

>>40409468
Agreed.

>>40406020 (OP)
Dont care, still sucking cock