every time I look at a woman, or a depiction of one, I feel anger. not jealousy, it's "she's really choosing to look like that? really? like a clown, an object, a submissive toy, how men want her to look like, how she's been told to look like, how women are sexualized as?". I just can't seem to look at women or female characters in fiction without feeling angry that they're all just unknowingly, or knowingly, feeding misogyny

picrel solely for engagement bait, but also, it's what inspired me

>>40406300 (OP)
>"she's really choosing to look like that? really? like a clown, an object, a submissive toy, how men want her to look like, how she's been told to look like, how women are sexualized as?"
this is malebrained af
women love to be lusted after and they love drawing attention from men (who they want to fuck, not creeps)

most women's fashion doesn't even seem to be for men. they're all dressing in ways that look bad to my male repper brain but they all seem to like it

>>40406300 (OP)
i look at cheerleaders, for instance, or onlyfans models, or kpop stars, and it causes a visceral disgust in me. what could possibly possess a woman to not only do this, but want to do this, to find fulfilment in it, to feel GOOD about themselves because they're doing it?
i also feel incredibly angry seeing men lust after these empty headed people, and the kinds of women they write and design in game. in roleplay games you can also see women use pornified models and do sexual things like strip for money in these games. they don't HAVE to do this, they choose to. they could be anything in these games. heterosexuality is a mental illness.

>>40406315
>>40406317
the meth head says he likes meth, doesn't care about his falling teeth

>>40406300 (OP)
Lol (female) women are overwhelmingly autogynephilic OP

>>40406372
that's not really a refutation... if anything it reinforces the idea they're addicted to the attention and wont change, and the OP doesnt understand the fembrain...

>>40406390
liking something doesn't make it not bad

>>40406398
im not arguing whether its good or bad, im arguing why it happens

>>40406366
98% agree minus the last part. heterosexuality doesn't have much to do with it as bi and gay women also do it

>>40406366
>what could possibly possess a woman to not only do this, but want to do this, to find fulfilment in it, to feel GOOD about themselves because they're doing it
they are addicted to the attention, even if it burns them in the end

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVhJ_A8XUgc

>i also feel incredibly angry seeing men lust after these empty headed people
men are visually attracted to the female form

>>40406461
>they are addicted to the attention, even if it burns them in the end
and that's bad and something should be done about it
>men are visually attracted to the female form
1. "this" (the op pic plus what that anon said) isn't "the female form".

if it was, men's attraction can be changed. and should be changed. as long as there's one man that's into tall muscular women, it's possible to change, for the betterment of women

>>40406300 (OP)
Women want attention most of all. If you're ever in doubt why they do or say things which are stupid or contradictory then realize it's because it's just all about getting attention.

>>40406366
>>40406461
>what could possibly possess a woman to

it's propaganda, that's the only reason. women are told their entire lives, not just directly and not just by their family and friends, but indirectly and by society's as a whole to do this. a woman told otherwise would act otherwise

>>40406490
>and that's bad and something should be done about it
impossible
>"this" (the op pic plus what that anon said) isn't "the female form"
it absolutely is, what else would it be? skimpy clothes, cheerleading, stripping, fashion... men are attracted to the female form, women are addicted to the attention they receive from the male gaze
>as long as there's one man that's into tall muscular women
an individual may have a preference, but as a group, unlikely to change
>>40406506
>it's propaganda
its pic related

>>40406576
I don't care about biology (even though none of this is biological, women aren't inherently submissive creatures), I don't care what most people think. """"this"""" is harmful to women, and for that reason alone it needs to change, somehow. for women's betterment

>>40406613
>I don't care what most people think
that's your problem
you are projecting your malebrain onto women
YOU see women as
>submissive "creatures" (ew)
>sex objects
try talking to someone actually fembrained
they love the attention
they love being able to get the boys to do what they want
the love the flirting and being seen as attractive
you are projecting your male brain onto them and then saying its a problem we need to do something about

>>40406659
>malebrained
how about not relying on what you think i am for your point, how about viewing me as a genderless ghost or some shit and put effort into what you're saying
>they love the
once again. someone liking something does not mean it's not bad. and every single human being on earth, even the sexist and the progressive ones, will tell you that women are oversexualized in every way.

>>40406659
yes that is a fucking problem. people can find happiness in their sickness, but it's still sickness. you are flattening the human experience into a series of images that people can embody. it is death worship.
>>40406425
gender roles stem from heterosexuality

>>40406693
>how about not relying on what you think i am for your point, how about viewing me as a genderless ghost or some shit and put effort into what you're saying
you are an amorphous ghost, i dont know what you look like, what you sound like, where you live, or how many friends you have
but i CAN tell by the WORDS you use how your BRAIN works
>once again. someone liking something does not mean it's not bad
once again, im not saying its not bad
i just live in reality and one day realized that men and women think and view these issues differently
>will tell you that women are oversexualized in every way.
and that has been the case for the entirety of human history

>>40406734
>and that has been the case for the entirety of human history
NOPE

>>40406751
sorry to burst your bubble friendo
everywhere in the world we find statues and paintings of women with their tits out

>>40406727
>gender roles stem from heterosexuality
then why do gay people still mostly participate in it? and why are, for example, gay trans women STILL sexually submissive by a large margin
>>40406734
>once again, im not saying its not bad
THEN WHAT'S YOUR POINT
>i just live in reality and one day realized that men and women think and view these issues differently
and these differences can harm women, and they can and should be changed
>>40406770
tits being out isn't inherently submissive, that's part of a womans physical body and is unchangable (mostly but planet wide surgery isnt viable). plus there's been plenty of cultures that are ok with women having their tits out and no one caring. if you're exposed to something for long enough it becomes boring and normal. shit even today, no one gives a shit if a woman on the beach basically wears a bra that exposes her tits the entire time

>>40406803
>THEN WHAT'S YOUR POINT
calm your tits
my point is that malebrained and fembrained people see the issue differently
fembrain likes the attention
malebrained people project their hangups onto fembrained and think its a problem to be solved
while it may be a problem, it will never be solved because the fembrain just works differently
>tits being out isn't inherently submissive
why do you always jump to "submissive"?
see this is exactly what i mean, the language you use tells me what you are thinking

>>40406300 (OP)
Same but I'm a femrepper, so.

>>40406837
> it will never be solved
there are some women out there who arent like this, a combination of biology, hormones, and upbringing. with these women in existence, it can be changed
>why do you always jump to "submissive"?
being oversexualized makes someone submissive, that's why

>>40406890
>there are some women out there who arent like this
i think more women are malebrained than they think
realistically, its a lot more complicated than malebrained and fembrained, but its a convenient shorthand
for example, when i was in college, none of my girlfriends gave blowjobs, they said they were demeaning. i was around a bunch of very progressive liberal intellectual women who studied the history of the patriarchy and power structures
when i got older, i met girlfriends who loved giving blowjobs because it made men feel good, it made them feel sexy, i asked if they felt they were demeaning and they said absolutely not. they didnt find it patriarchal or oppressive at all
this is why i say a lot more women are probably malebrained than anyone thinks. THEY see women as sex objects, they project that onto others, and say they are being oppressed
but the fembrained people out there dont see it that way, they like being attractive, they like being pursued, they like giving pleasure
>oversexualized makes someone submissive
PERFECT example of how i can tell your thinking
you equate sexualization = submissive = bad
sexualization doesnt equal submissive, first off
and even if it did (which it doesnt) some people enjoy the role, its not inherently bad or damaging
you are projecting your problems

>>40406948
look, my entire point is, there's nothing inherently bad about wanting to be wanted, or sexualized even. blowjobs aren't inherently sub either, for example. the only thing i care about is HOW it's done.

across all of fiction, across all porn online, across the mainstream ones like pornhub or redtube, to the niche ones like rule34 or nhentai, the sexualization of women has one thing in common.

in almost all of them, women are in the submissive position. they're "fucked", they're "sluts" in porn titles. they're raped in hentai, they're wearing dog collars in rule 34. these ARE submissive traits.

in my eyes, a woman can have sex as much as she wants, as long as she does it in a neutral or dominant way.

>>40407008
>across all of fiction, across all porn online, across the mainstream ones like pornhub or redtube, to the niche ones like rule34 or nhentai, the sexualization of women has one thing in common.
if this is your sample size then please, unironically, go outside and touch grass
or at the very least change the porn categories goddamn

>>40407025
i cant take you seriously bro this is a fact. browse pornhub or nhentai for 10 seconds and you'll see the top ones overwheamingly have the women in the sub position

>>40406366
>Empty headed people
Misogyny. They're not empty headed its just what we propagindize women into from birth I mean fucks sake Ive seen 6 year olds in stripper heels at my work before. You ever see the posts about parents looking for modest shorts for their young girls and being unable to find any? The way the world treats young women is absolutely disgusting and it's just another example of how our society is built entirely around turning people into faceless drones.
There's two genders in the eyes of 'the man' as it were.
Broodmare and war fighter.
The elites who encourage this shit are not like us these two genders only exist for the poors btw, and no there is no such thing as an elite woman.

>>40407053
>i cant take you seriously
bruh
you are unironically telling me to go to hentai websites to make your point
porn has fried your brain
you are clearly hung up on sexuality and submission
you are projecting your own personal issues across the entirety of human sexuality
>browse pornhub or nhentai for 10 seconds
imagine writing this out and thinking you are making a point hahaha

>>40406613
>women aren't inherently submissive creatures
Lmao self-sexualization has nothing to do with submission, it's normal reproductive behaviour found in tons of animal species. Why do you think so many women convince themselves it is liberating to be openly and outwardly sexual? Because they are sexual, they want to have sex and they want to be the ones to dictate with whom they have sex and why they have sex

>>40406300 (OP)
The female role is about things being done to you by someone stronger which ideally results in pregnancy aka physically disabling condition that either ties you to a living creatures and forces you into a caretaker role or straight up kills you. Meanwhile, you are expected to like getting injured in this way. It's masochistic and intellectually disgusting.

>>40407053
Admitting to looking at hentai means ur either underage, or a man baby either way you shouldn't be taken seriously if you think it has any relevance to the real world.

>>40407162
>aka physically disabling condition that either ties you to a living creatures and forces you into a caretaker role or straight up kills you
you want to talk about intellectually disgusting, this is a disgusting false dichotomy

>>40407185
So is it false, disgusting or both? The way I see it, pregnancy is a net negative on the mother. If you want something that affects you negatively, you're a masochist.

>>40407198
>So is it false, disgusting or both
if you dont know what a "false dichotomy" is, and couldn't tell that i was mirroring your use of the word "disgusting", you probably arent old enough or smart enough to carry on a conversation with...
>The way I see it, pregnancy is a net negative on the mother
this is another perfect example of male brain thinking projected onto everyone else

>>40406300 (OP)
Be honest anon, if you were THAT hot you'd be just as big a slut as they are.

>>40407226
>you couldn't tell
I could tell, and chose to explore whether you hate my opinion because it offends your sensibilities.
>this is another perfect example of male brain thinking projected onto everyone else
Can you actually explain your point and provide arguments instead of doing the text equivalent of angry cat noises?

>>40407234
i probably would, but it would be bad for me

>>40407248
>I could tell
sure thing kiddo, you're really playing 4d chess over there
>Can you actually explain your point
you've already made up your mind so there's really no point
for example, i could tell you there are people who want children, who enjoy children (even at the cost of their personal health or career prospects, would say they are glad they did it), who want more children even after already having had them
but you would say some variant of
>internalized misogyny
>masochism
>socialized into believing this is healthy
>no other options/baby trapped
or any number of dismissive things because you dont want to come to grips with the fact that humanity got here by birth, and humanity will continue on by birth, and no matter how much you personally hate it, people will continue to give birth
hope that doesnt offend your sensibilities

>>40407290
LOL, then why are you mad they're doing the exact thing you'd do if you were in their place? Jealous ass.

>>40407291
You sound mad. I'm not denying there are women who want to give birth, I'm questioning the sanity of a person who wants that done to her. For as long as humanity exists, there is the old contradiction of wanting to knock up a woman, but seeing her submit to the treatment as immoral and a sign of weakness. We're looking at the problem from opposite perspectives.

>>40406300 (OP)
i feel anger that they're allowed to do it and i'm not

>>40407425
>i feel anger that they're allowed to do it and i'm not
You're allowed to do it too, just take your E, and don't be an ogrehon.

>>40407448
>you're allowed to do it too, just step in a time machine and turn yourself into one of them from the age of 15
thank you trannies, really fighting the matriarchy

>>40407378
>You sound mad
kek called it
>or any number of dismissive things
always the same
>there is the old contradiction of wanting to knock up a woman, but seeing her submit to the treatment as immoral and a sign of weakness
its only a contradiction if you hate women
whats funny is, somewhere along the way progressive march of feminism, women internalized the view of women given to them by the men they hated and were fighting against, and became resentful of pregnancy, childbirth, being penetrated during sex, and associated all manner negative traits to it (like the submissive anon in this thread)
it would only be seen as a "sign of weakness" if you were not supposed to get pregnant, which is why i say this is malebrained thinking projected out onto others
>get fucked
>get impregnated
>carry someone's seed
these are all bad things if you are a guy, so you project out
>gee i wish that didnt happen to me
onto women
women then internalize this message of
>wow i dont want to be pregnant that would be really inconvenient and i'd be seen like a submissive bitch to whoevers dick i take better not have penetrative sex
and adopt the male pattern of thinking that penetrative sex and pregnancy is "bad" (yes it carries risk but is amoral)
meanwhile, there are people (cis and trans) who dont internally hold that being on the receiving end is fundamentally bad
we've all let the terms be defined as winning vs losing, men "defeating" women and impregnating them
until we get over that mind virus, people will continue to have cognitive dissonance between how they actually feel and how they think they should feel

>>40407475
Dunno, I think it's based women are waking up to this.
>it would only be seen as a "sign of weakness" if you were not supposed to get pregnant
Nigga pregnancy is literally physically disabling. That's the whole point. And unless you're rich, caring for children is a second job, or a full time job if there are lots of them, so you can kiss your personal aspirations goodbye. It's the reason why there are so few females among the great. As I said, net negative on the mother.

>>40407512
>Nigga pregnancy is literally physically disablin
>For as long as humanity exists, there is the old contradiction of wanting to knock up a woman, but seeing her submit to the treatment as immoral and a sign of weakness
you are hung up on the mind virus of sex = bad, pregnancy = bad, penetration = defeat
until you break free of this mind virus there is no hope for you
>unless you're rich
ironically though poor people tend to have more kids, so there goes that argument
>It's the reason why there are so few females among the great
yes im sure THAT'S the reason (said sarcastically because i'm not sure you can tell)
you've internalized some bad stuff and you need to get over it
nice chatting with you i gotta go

>>40406300 (OP)
I can't find anything false about what you said, holding women and men to the same standards of dignity and behavior will drive you crazy. Like you can have a ostensibly non-sexual place like a office and half of the people will be painting their face to appear younger and beautiful and the other half would have their sanity doubted were they to do the same, and the only difference is their gender. If you view these norms the same way an alien watching from a telescope would you realize it's rather silly and contradictory. A problem is that men and women use the same words for concepts like "success" or "power" but have deeply different understandings of them.

>>40407539
>ummm nice chatting with you i gotta go
Okay lmao.

>>40407569
>t you said, holding women and men to the same standards of dignity and behavior will drive you crazy. Like you can have a ostensibly non-sexual place like a office and half of the people will be painting their face to appear younger and beautiful and the other half would have their sanity doubted were they to do the same, and the only difference is their gender. If you view these norms the same way an alie
i didnt say "ummm" but i like how you continued with the dismissive comments because you dont want to challenge your preconceived opinions that you arent interested in changing anyway

>>40406315
Not exclusive to males though

>>40406300 (OP)
the thing i don't understand (and will be thankful if somebody will explain it to me) is that they do it publicly, maybe i'm just traumatized, but i don't want more attention than from one man who I know isn't a psycho, and i would enjoy being subby and slutty for him only.
so yeah, i don't understand them too. if i were cisf i'd just get married and pregnant, idk, and have a lot of sex with my hubby

>>40407602
I wish all the people disillusioned with sexual dimorphism could go to some island somewhere and spend a few millennia breeding it out of the gene pool until they're androgynous. Volumes of the mind, not perversions of the feet...

>>40407665
So basically a spectrum of people like the one in that comic to full on gender dysphorics and stone butches.
I think those are the only people who could possibly form the genderless egalitarian society of feminist ideals. Unfortunately it would definitely be infiltrated by rapists and fetishists who find it hot, like the rest of society.

>>40407554
i cant rely on "Progressives" or the left wing either, they all say it's "not hurting anyone" and "so what? who cares?". "wow misogynistic" indirectly saying women are inherently like this without directly saying it

>>40406300 (OP)
>not jealousy
We totally believe you.

It's completely normal for women to compete with other women by trying to look more attractive than the next woman. Women have been doing it for generations and generations, but you're a mind-warped faggot who thinks anything natural is LE BAD.