And by that I mean:

>Has dysphoria
>Takes estrogen
>May even have ffs done
>Does not identify as a woman
>Just wants to be a man who looks like a woman
>For all intensive purposes, he's a man but doesn't look like or likes to look like one
>Does not care whether people see him as a real transsexual or not

What do you think of this kind of trans woman?
Pic unrelated.

>>40439075 (OP)
Also, no voice training whatsoever.

Why am I being ignored?

STOP IGNORING ME

>>40439075 (OP)
I do this but I’m not dysphoric
dysphoria means you actually see yourself as female so idk why you would do this

>>40439148
Why can't transexuality be a spectrum? You can be more trans or less trans than someone else.

I want to have a conversation but nobody gives a shit, this sucks

NIGGER

>>40439166
trans means you change gender I’m just body mod

>>40439075 (OP)
No opinion. Just glad they aren't coping with one of those stupid femboy exercise plans and actually taking E.

Like at the end of the day the lable woman or man is something we made up to describe broad categories that all trans people Inherently exist on the fringes of so like doesn't really matter whether you see yourself as a highly feminized man or as transformed into a woman.

>>40439258
Forget gender
I'm talking exclusively about appearance here

>>40439282
dysphoria is an identity disorder

>>40439075 (OP)
>>40439085
you're describing me and i hate myself so...

>>40439294
I don't know where you're trying to say
Are you disagreeing or agreeing with me?

>>40439282
OK, but people infer gender from appearance

Like, "oh, that's a guy" or "ah, a transgirl" or the, "that's one of those mentally ill she/they zim/zam women... or probably a transguy, since he has a gross neckbeard"

>>40439296
I'm describing you, you hate yourself and therefore what? Are you saying you are a feminine man?

>>40439302
no I’m saying the gender dysphoria is obviously about gender identity not appearance, if you’re fine with being male and only want to change your appearance its not dysphoria

>>40439075 (OP)
Literally me. Imo its rarely discussed because to be a feminine man (NOT a doomer manmoder, boymoder, a femboy..), you need a good amount of confidence and also know yourself pretty well. And people like this tend to get on with their lives instead of poasting online. Thats my take on it anyway.
In many ways, we are technically trans women yeah, but masculinity is more about presence and not so much about looks.

>>40439320
you asked, "what do you think of people like this?" and i said "i am like this and i hate myself." so the answer to your question is "i hate people like that"

>>40439317
I don't think that matters here. It's a man and they change their appearance because they want to look like women. They don't identify as such so it's not their identity it's just their presentation.

I wonder if the Republicans will throw people like this into camps as well

>>40439322
I guess you can get the same symptoms of dysphoria but from wanting to look like a woman not to "be" one. I don't see how this wouldn't apply here. Again, it's a spectrum. Some have more dysphoria and some have less and they can have different manifestations.

>>40439353
they want to make it illegal for men to have long hair so probably

>>40439328
>and also know yourself pretty well
Tell me more

>>40439363
if you hate your appearance its just bdd that’s what I have, dysphoria is about identity ie living as a different gender

>>40439385
NO
You can be dysphoric about the totality of being a woman or just about the appearance and that doesn't make it any less of it. Still dysphoria.

>>40439401
no that doesn’t make any sense gender dysphoria is about gender itd right in the name if I just wish I looked like a woman that’s something else

>>40439431
Looking like a woman is a manifestation of the female gender

>>40439372
WTF!!!!!!!!!!

Long hair on men can be manly and viking pilled are they stupid?(Yeah I know they are but still). Like long hair making you fem is entirely based on the rest of your look and how you care for it.

>>40439444
so is a woman who wears a suit and cuts their hair short somehow less of a woman? It doesn’t make sense to think of it like that. dysphoria is when your identity causes distress, if only appearance causes distress it’s just bdd

>>40439075 (OP)
All the pluses of women with none of the downsides? Sign me tf up!

>>40439465
If that woman takes testosterone, she's less of a woman, yes.

As I said, the feminine men, as I have described them, take estrogen it may even have ffs done.

>>40439494
some women take androgens to bulk up, taking estrogen to look more fem is no different bc efffect of e are weak sauce compared to T

>>40439507
Yes, to bulk up not to look like men.

Don't tell me that women who are muscular necessarily want to look like men.

>>40439378
Idk it can be many things. I would say that doing beats thinking and talking about it every time. I originally tried to live as a trans woman only to realize I didnt really like it that much. Also you need to know what you want really well because now youre a man expressing femininity, which is something most men are terrified of. Worst thing you can say to a normal man is that he's feminine! People absolutely will assume youre gay and treat you according to their biases.

>>40439516
they are making their bodies look male while still living as women in the same way you can make your body look female while still living as a man

>>40439544
>they are making their bodies look male
muscles =/= masculine, cope reppressor retard

>>40439544
Does like saying a man who takes care of his skin does it because he wants to look like a woman.

>>40439556
a woman can’t have giant muscles naturally, its a male trait
>>40439558
no bc good skin isn’t an exclusively female trait

>>40439587
AND NEITHER ARE BIG MUSCLES AN EXCLUSIVELY MALE TRAIT YOU MAGNIFICENT RETARD

>>40439587
>a woman can't have giant muscles naturally
how can you be this retarded in the big 25

>>40439599
>>40439623
women cannot naturally attain the same muscle mass as a male it’s a very male trait

>>40439639
I give up on you

>>40439639
i think the only answer to being this fucking stupid is to kill yourself at this point

>>40439674
r u gonna say tits aren’t a female trait bc men can get gyno?

>>40439696
gyno is a fucking condition while any woman while taking enough supplements can look like a body builder
i give up on u too desu

>>40439797
this is the muscle mass of a man that never goes to the gym

>>40439797
her arms look like mine (a tranny 5 years on e who never works out) but less hairy

FEMININE MAN SUPREMACY

>>40439075 (OP)
sounds like a cope because you don't actually like being a man but just dont want to admit it. I identify as a man to 99% of people in the world even tho there is basically nothing i like about being one.

>>40439832
I look like this and sound like this

>>40439822
whats ur diet

>>40439797
my biceps are bigger than hers but her chest is way better
im a dude btw