Why are straight MtFs so rare? For that matter why are AMAB exclusive androphiles so rare? Even most "gay" men are technically bi with a heavy, heavy lean when pressed.

Yay I'm rare

>>40446677 (OP)
we're not rare we're just monogamous with our bfs

>>40446685
I think that's a non-sequitur. So am I but I very rarely encounter other straight MtFs either online or IRL.

>ummm they just pass super well so you don't notice them
I can clock MtFs pretty well even if they pass, enough with this dumb excuse

>>40446677 (OP)
every "transbian bottom" is cryptostraight
they just have residual comphomo from pretransition
everyone who has ever dated a transbian bottom will confirm that they have zero interest in any of your feminine features
dating a verse is the only way to be appreciated.

>>40446698
i'm a transbian bottom and gush all the time over the feminine qualities of my gf to her. shes insanely pretty and im happy to have her as my gf

>>40446693
Maybe we just don't make a big number out of ourselves. If I see a tranny online my first thought is transbian or maybe bi. Then the straight tranny just drowns in the mass of freaks.

>>40446677 (OP)
most trannies are AGP(straight man with autism)

>>40446677 (OP)
you are SICK if you find those bunny boys attractive.

>>40446719
White trannies skew this pretty heavily. In nonwhite cultures it's the reverse.

>>40446693
i rarely encounter other mtfs, period. although, ig the two ik irl are both lesbians... pretty sure that's just anecdotal, tho

>>40446725
its more accurate to say its the reverse for homophobic cultures. it just so happens the least homophobic cultures tend to be white ones

>>40446734
Doesn't that have unfortunate implications? i.e., "straight trans women are actually just gay men and transitioned to escape that," or conversely "lesbian/bisexual trans women are white autistic men who are demonized in western cultures and want to escape that."

>>40446737
there's a reason why every super public detrans mtf is a gay kid who transitioned and regretted it. talking to straight trans women, it seems their brains can only conceive themselves being feminine if theyre women

>>40446710
but its just a basic appreciation of beauty. do you ever grab her tits? run your hands over her hips? stare at her curves? want to feel her soft skin pressed against you?
no, you probably just want her cock in you and are only really attracted to what she can do to you

>>40446747
daily reminder that no one is forcing you to take e

>>40446725
yep
transgenderism should be for fags to level up to being women

>>40446677 (OP)
Because being attracted to women is normal. AMAB androphilia is a perversion

>>40446677 (OP)
are they?

>italian trans study: 86% of trans women identified as exclusively heterosexual androphiles

>US youngshit study: 94% of tranners were straight

>US study of tranners of all ages: only 24% were heterosexual androphiles

>>40446801
Do you have a link to these? I'm only familiar with the last of these which is where I'm pulling this from.

>>40446801
>US men literally castrating themselves to get pussy
no, women don't have the power, here. obviously still a patriarchy

>>40446677 (OP)
Straight MtFs aren't rare, and tons of gay men aren't interested in women one lick. Lol, you need to get out more, you just have awareness of ppl with the most visibility on like stupid threads on this site and random dating apps or something.

t. straight MtF

>>40446685
^^ it's just that we're not usually rushing to have sex with 800 men and be in some hyper poly relationship or something. We find someone and stick with em, or we're patient rather than really caring too much about sex.

>>40446693
how is it a non sequitur? It's perfectly cohherent. You're declaring that since YOU rarely encounter other straight MtFs they must be rare, but you're ignoring how there's several layers of selection here for people who won't really be hypersexual or interested in advertising themselves everywhere.

Like what, do you also talk about how stable FtMs aren't real since you basically never see any? Many of them aren't advertising themselves much if they're well-adjusted, pass decently or at least don't draw attention, and are already a minority among a minority so chances of an encounter are low.

In much the same way, ur gonna see a lot more noisy annoying transbians and AGP freakoids than well adjusted straight or loosely bi MtFs cuz of differences in attention drawn, attention-seeking, and the fact there's a large body of posers these days.

>>40446827
>Straight MtFs aren't rare
I've never encountered one in real life and I don't use dating apps. On Twitter and on /tttt/ they're rare.

>^^ it's just that we're not usually rushing to have sex with 800 men and be in some hyper poly relationship or something. We find someone and stick with em, or we're patient rather than really caring too much about sex.
Again monogamy has nothing to do with my perception of them being rare. Why would that matter. Most cis straight women are monogamous and I don't think they're rare???

>You're declaring that since YOU rarely encounter other straight MtFs they must be rare
No, I'm basing this on the study I read which said they're like 20~% of American MtFs.

>Like what, do you also talk about how stable FtMs aren't real since you basically never see any? Many of them aren't advertising themselves much if they're well-adjusted, pass decently or at least don't draw attention, and are already a minority among a minority so chances of an encounter are low.
No, I see FtMs occasionally and they pass better on average than most MtFs, they're just really, really, really short and the hands are usually a giveaway if nothing else.

Transbians and AGPs are definitely more vocal, but they're also just...more common.
https://transequality.org/sites/default/files/docs/usts/USTS%20Full%20Report%20-%20FINAL%201.6.17.pdf
19% are heterosexual here, which is a tiny minority considering trannies are less than 1% of the population to begin with

>>40446677 (OP)
All of you need to be executed

>>40446860
You seem to be misunderstanding, my bad if I wasn't clear when I tried to indicate still being outnumbered. I'm not saying that we're not a minority, I'm operating off of "rare" seeming like odd framing when we're already talking about a "rare" group in the form of trans people in general.

Like, would black people be "rare" in America because they're not even 1/6th of the population? How about, say, Ethiopians or something.

A case can be made for that, but ur initial framing made it seem a lot more like "i don't see them and gay men don't even exist and are just bi!!"

To be honest though you might not be wrong, now that you got me thinking about it and realizing how I'm like the one straight mtf I know among maybe 2 bisexuals and like 4 transbians. And even I only count as straight in the sense of for relationships absolutely 100% wanting a man -- I can love anyone since I care more about personality than anything else, I just know that I need a man or someone very masculine in a long term relationship, ironically because I get tired of being the "man" in relationships with people often being so immature/weak willed/quick to panic in crises.

>>40446942
>A case can be made for that, but ur initial framing made it seem a lot more like "i don't see them and gay men don't even exist and are just bi!!"
You assumed that

>>40446756
imho most transbians would consider that too rapey even if they truly desire this they afraid of scaring you
if you want that date a confident man

what do you mean by straight?
If I like men it's penis x penis
If I like women we rub our boobs together
literally everything is gay, sorry, can't help it

>>40447142
You are bi. Not you

>>40447031
>Even most "gay" men are technically bi
>I very rarely encounter other straight MtFs either online or IRL.

>>40446677 (OP)
because women are bisexual

>>40446677 (OP)
Testosterone poisoning
And well, obviously men are shit, idk why anyone would be into them.

>>40447233
So I'm a gay man. I'm always saying this

>>40447260
Because men are hot and cool and protective and activate butterflies in stomach feeling

>>40447298
We don't live in caveman times where men's stronger physical power matters.

>>40447328
our brains never left it

>>40447328
Irrelevant, it matters a lot when I cuddle up to a man's strong, broad chest while feeling his muscular arms around me

>>40446756
?im married to a cis woman and yes i literally do all those things