Are trans-racials valid?

>>40451443 (OP)
Me soon

>>40451443 (OP)
this is anglefrauded if you look at her from other angles still looks like a nigger. Race dysphoria is unfortunately untreatable

>>40451461
Fuck

>>40451443 (OP)
Fake but based

I don't understand why rightoids think this is an epic own. So what if someone wants to change race? Kinda weird but it used to be a free country, right? Is that the problem? Freedom hurts your fee-fees?

>>40451443 (OP)
no because the brain isnt "raced" in the same way its sexxed. unless you believe in self id alone in which case yes it is entirely valid

>>40451443 (OP)
this is so sad

>>40451470
lmao the whole trans people have the brains of the opposite sex shit is retarded honscience how do people still believe that

>>40451468
bc it’s incredibly difficult to change gender but literally impossible to change race, differences in soft tissue and bone structure between races are much greater than sex dimorphism

>>40451495
>differences in soft tissue and bone structure between races are much greater than sex dimorphism
lol no
delulu

>>40451495
Gender has nothing to do with soft tissue or bone structure lol, those have to do with sex, and you can not change your sex

>>40451495
So the issue is that it's cosmetic, therefore bad?

You can make yourself look slimmer by wearing stripes, is that also bad, according to rightoids?

>>40451508
it is tho anthropologically its much easier to distinguish the race of a skull than the gender
>>40451521
agree you can’t change sex but with hormones a small portion of men can look indistinguishable from women bc there is much more overlap in bone structure compared to different races

>>40451545
You can always just look mixed which has a huge overlap

>>40451534
no a lot of rightoidism is about accepting your place in life bc they want the poors to accept being poor. So they demean ppl that want to change anything about themselves

>>40451443 (OP)
Her face looks more African now than it did before, even without the shitskin

All body mods should be allowed

>>40451552
you can mixed yes but its impossible to completely change certain traits

>>40451569
for now

>>40451470
>huh this male brain is statistically closer to female brains in composition than other male brains
>this male brain must be a female brain!
That's ridiculous. Just because outliers exist in a given set doesn't mean that the outlier is not part of the set. It just means that the range of possible values is larger than expected and that overlap exists between sets.

>>40451573
changing things like skin texture or hair type would require gene editing level shit

>>40451574
someone actually paid attention in math class

>>40451584
crispr developing nicely

>>40451545
>it is tho anthropologically its much easier to distinguish the race of a skull than the gender
the notable racial differences in the skull are fairly small differences, even if they are anthropologically distinctive
the average difference in soft tissue or skeleton between men and women of any race is much larger than the differences in soft tissue or skeleton between men and women of different races

I'm what ragebaiters might call "transethnic" (same race, different ethnicity) but I personally call it xenoethnic/xenoheritage because it's not like my transgender status in many ways. Honestly, xenorace and xenoheritage are way more commonplace than you realize. It exists on a spectrum so there are mildly xenoethnic people who perhaps will simply call themselves fans of another culture or immigrants. There are far more xeno people than there are trans people.

>>40451470
if you still use the brain sex theory cope youre genuinely a retard. dysphoria is a mental ilness

>>40451574
>>40451588
>it's a male brain because I define it as such, even if the structure and function is not

>>40451616
no you just don't think it's as valid as you deep down so you don't wanna be associated with it. calling it transracial is fine

At first I thought no then I thought yes then I thought no then I thought yes again, over the span of a decade

The greypill is that the biological argument and the philosophical argument are, separately, both valid rationales for transitioning. Therefore transracialism is usually valid.

It's not *always* valid. Oli London wasn't. Some gender transitions aren't. But in general these things are valid and real and should be respected.

>>40451631
the structure of a trans womans brain is closer to a male than a female. Stop being retarded

>>40451466
can I buck break you

>>40451620
dysphoria is a disorder that occurs due to mismatched brain and body

>>40451470
>the brain isnt "raced"
hmm, it kinda is tho

>>40451616
this is gonna be the next big thing when people stop being retarded

>>40451638
sure
>>40451640
Dysphoria is a disorder where you want to be the opposite sex. There is not "female brain in a male body" thats pure honcope

>>40451613
that’s absolutely not true primarily bc there is a massive overlap between sexes and much less overlap between races. Forward projection for instance is distinctly different between races while something like brow bossing can vary widely

>>40451495
You can change race by moving countries and being of any particularly mixed descent, are you a fucking moron? Race isn't even close to being real. Gender is a social construct sure but it's linked to sex and sex characteristics which do follow groupings on a spectrum. Race meanwhile is pegged to nothing in particular. It's all just vibes & region based ultimately because the many diffuse human characteristics ascribed to certain racial groups have many, many interpretations across time & space. You can find multiple places & entire ages where black people & white people weren't existant categories; conversly you can find trans people just about any time & any place.

To change my sex I take hormones which causes the sexual characteristics used for sex identification to change towards that of the "opposite sex". In the case of the OP she just lightened her skin. Did Arianna Grande change her race? No of course not, demonstrably false, not really possible due this being an abstract assigned at birth for little reason. Did Hunter Schafer change her sex? Absolutely, we can imperically demonstrate that her sex has been altered by examining her biology

Race is a scam made up by the elites to better color code their servants (you and me) into different use-cases while also pitting us against each other instead of tearing down the oligarchy. You need to be very stupid, very uninformed or very desperate to believe in race as a biological category.

>>40451640
>mismatched brain and body
why do rape victims frequently develop GD from getting raped then? it doesnt make any sense, most mental conditions are enviromental rather than inborn

>>40451636
>>40451651
no, you're actually wrong and retarded and I'm only unhiding your now posts which are normally filtered to call you retarded

>>40451640
this is bs gender dyphoria is no different than race dysphoria the difference is that changing how your gender is perceived is actually possible

>>40451650
>passing is going to be the next big thing
Sometimes this site impresses me with its insightful comments but most of the time it just exasperates me to see the profound levels of cluelessness about the real world

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passing_(racial_identity)

It's been a thing for as long as there have been racial hierarchies, glad I helped you learn something new today nonny

>>40451443 (OP)
Yes bur They should create conversion rituals for it like they have for religion with some sort of community voucher

>>40451651
>There is not "female brain in a male body" thats pure honcop
thats what im saying im so tired of this retarded cope. listen you can still take crosssex hormones if that alleviates your dysphoria and makes you feel betetr about yourself, you dont have to be a TRU FEMBRAINED REAL WOMBYN

>>40451633
It's not transracial because I'm not transitioning and I'm not changing into another race. I'm assimilating.

>>40451652
>much less overlap between races
Exactly, if race was a scam then we wouldn't have pic related.

If race was a scam these racial categories would just be arbitrary legal fictions invented by colonial administrators instead of highly organized and delineated categories found through scientific endeavor.

If race wasn't biological, we would have multiple competing models of these race charts used by everyone who believes in race. When in reality we all know the Spanish model stands alone and we all use it to this day!

>>40451668
You are the wrong and retarded one, stop coping it's cringe

>>40451672
>It's been a thing for as long as there have been racial hierarchies, glad I helped you learn something new today nonny
no im saying that its gonna become mainstream. stop being a retard and trying to be snarky

>>40451658
race is a spectrum but there is a limit in how much a person can move across that spectrum. Just like a 6’8 linebacker will never look female, a sub Saharan African will never look Nordic. I’m saying the breadth of the racial spectrum in terms of facial features is much larger than gender

>>40451682
Retarded semantics applies equally to "assimilating" to the other gender

>>40451696
You mean it's going to be adopted by white people? That's the only possible reading of "become mainstream" I can think of that doesn't sound insane

Read the article before replying again

>>40451694
>chagpt as evidence
you are genuinely a subhuman how are you this stupid

>>40451669
Hmmm no. You're wrong. We know that people can be uncomfortable to their anatomy not matching their neurology, we see that with phantom limbs don't we? What we have never seen however is a remotely consistent anatomy suggested for any racial category; let alone evidence for some deeper genetic difference emerging despite humanity's incredibly close cosmopolitan bonds compared other species on earth.

>>40451672
Colorism in and of ifself should really have been enough for most people to realize this shit isn't scientific lol

>>40451710
>You mean it's going to be adopted by white people? That's the only possible reading of "become mainstream" I can think of that doesn't sound insane
im saying that its gonna stop becoming something fringe and crazy to the average persony, god good how are you this daft

>>40451738
stop being*

>>40451700
Nope, you're wrong and you failed to understand what you were just told. Do you have any evidence for these racial categories existing? You don't. You were just told they did and you accepted it. "Sub saharan African" isn't even a globally recognized racial category, following the logic of race mythology we would just keep breaking down larger racial groups into smaller and smaller groups throughout time and space. Whereas the spectrum of sexual characteristics is actually consistent; men, women, trans men, trans women, etc.

>>40451666
dysphoria can probably occur from early childhood trauma, same way homosexuality can occur. I'm sure there are trans people who were not born trans but end up transitioning for reasons like that
but it also happens naturally due to inherent brain structure, not all trans people were abused. Sometimes a male brain develops unusually feminine and it's enough that it causes incongruence between the brain and the body, which causes dysphoria.

>>40451703
There's no way to transition into another race. There are no hormones associated with race. Furthermore, I am not changing my appearance in any way. I'm assimilating into a culture different from the one I was born into. This was always called assimilation. I call my experience xenoheritage because it's valid but just in a wholly different way from transition.

God I fucking hate discordia. Dumbass LARPing cissoid chud shithead.

>>40451723
racial dsyphoria is absolutely real it especially happens to a lot of mixed ppl like me who are uncomfortable with features from one ethnicity

>>40451669
there is zero evidence that race dysphoria is anything other than socially inflicted
people might feel "dysphoria" over their race, but there is no inherent race dysphoria and those people need therapy, not skin bleaching

>>40451738
Dummy skin lightening and darkening cosmetics & procedures have been commonplace basically forever. We can argue as to whether its motivations or scope have shifted. But there's no argument to be had that says this is some new revolutionary thing or that it's "changing your race" lol. To do that you'd only need a passport and mixed heritage really. Or even just a convincing false background to tell people. Early humans slapping ochre on their face, going for a tan on the beach or korean skin whitening creams are only skin deep.

>>40451738
It's not fringe and crazy to non-white people

>>40451767
No, you're wrong. I believe you personally might feel distress of some kind over your identity. But dysphoria is rather specific. There is no consistent anatomy or neurology that would lead to dysphoria for you. What you're experiencing on a human to human level is better understood as envy or low self esteem. There's nothing biological about it.

>>40451713
you actually have no value as a human for how fucking retarded you are oh my golly gosh

>>40451756
Theres no way to transition to another sex either retard yet trannies still try

>>40451483
Uncommon discordia W

>>40451754
race is just classify different people based on appearance, you could argue gender is the same thing. you can cut race into smaller and smaller categories just like you can cut gender into smaller categories with all the xenogenders and neopronouns. Just bc race is a continuum doesn’t mean its a social construct it has a clear genetic and aesthetic component, we just put people into distinct categories so we can better communicate

>>40451818
>There is no consistent anatomy or neurology that would lead to dysphoria for you
yeah there is it's called the brain dumbass. You people have deluded yourselves to think dysphoria is a mismatch between brain and body when it's just a run of the mill mental illness just like any other

>>40451772
I agree. You can't feel you are part of a culture you've never come across. In that way, it is socially inflicted or inflicted by knowledge. I didn't understand or accept my xenoheritage until 10-20 years after transitioning. Gender dysphoria was something I was born with or at least understood from the time I comprehended a difference between men and women. That being said, I believe that some people are naturally more susceptible to xenorace and xenoethnicity. Also, it's been happening organically for many decades in ways you didn't realize.

>>40451767
Race dysphoria is inevitable for any non white person with an IQ higher than 80, mixed or not

>>40451772
>>40451842
You are both retarded everything you both said is equally applicable to gender AND sex. The only thing holding up this delusion is the brain body retardation which is scientifically bogus

>>40451802
Lmfao I think plenty of people who arent white find colorism to be absolutely pathetic & fantastical behavior. There isn't any reason to assume mass buy in to that nonsense. And white folks already do this same thing anyway, idk if you've ever heard of "Latinos" but boy let me tell you that is a biiiiiiiiiig old subgroup full of this stuff. And again, its possible to fudge it so much because race doesn't exist at all. You mistook Iron Eyes Cody for a Native American because there aren't any truly essential Native American or Italian characteristics. It's entirely mutable and alwaya shifting due to cultural & biological exchange.

>>40451631
>structure and function defines the brain type, not whether it belongs to a male or female body
You can't do that unless you first identify which structures and functions are typical of a male or female bodied brain, right?
Then it's inconsistent to not include outliers in that process.

Anyways, I don't get why you are acting like the brain is separate from the body; it still has the same sex chromosomes as the rest of the human body, which is the closest you'll get to an intentional definition for male and female.

>>40451855
>race doesn't exist at all

>>40451826
>>40451850
You're just incoherently baiting.

>>40451856
>it still has the same sex chromosomes as the rest of the human body, which is the closest you'll get to an intentional definition for male and female.
Holy shit you are so based

To be a tranny you can swap hormones and your body naturally does most of the work to make you somewhat imitate the opposite biological sex, race changing would be entirely cosmetic.

>>40451856
>Anyways, I don't get why you are acting like the brain is separate from the body;
trannyism is rooted in a spiritual belief in brain body duality that you can have a male/female brain in a body that doesn't "match" and then castration somehow aligns your body to your brain

>>40451818
no this is just bs bc you want to believe your gender issues are somehow more “real” than my racial issues, gender identity is equal nebulous as racial identity and physical differences between genders is just as real as differences between races

>>40451870
show me your karyotype please I wanna see that the chromosomes are different than the ones you had at birth :)

>>40451483
>>40451574
>>40451620
>>40451648
crazy how none of the replies read what i said. im not saying the "female brain in male body" is even real. im saying that its a scientific fact that there is a sexed component to the brain that is created and maintained because of ones hormones (otherwise the effects of estrogen and testosterone on behavior would not exist, and they very obviously do). any racial differences in the brain dont exist in this same way

>>40451788
>Dummy skin lightening and darkening cosmetics & procedures have been commonplace basically forever
yes but your average normie is more willing to accept a tranny than a transracial. its not a protected identity and unlike with trannyism you wont be cancelled or get into any trouble for shitting on transracials. why are you arguing with me about this, its the most obvious thing ever

>>40451875
Both of those are cosmetic are you retarded?

>>40451877
>no this is just bs bc you want to believe your gender issues are somehow more “real”
trve trve trve trve

>>40451856
>Then it's inconsistent to not include outliers in that process.
come on it's on a le spectrum do I really need to explain it

>>40451875
yes this is why changing gender is possible but race is not (yet) doesn’t make race dysphoria any less real

>>40451841
You sad, easily used fucking dolt.

Did you just try to tell me "the brain" is evidence for races having distinctive neurological patterns correlating to distinct anatomies? Fuck you, I'm not as guillible as you are I suppose. I need more than that. Who told you that was an acceptable answer?

>>40451837
>could argue gender is the same thing
You could but you'd be wrong.
Gender correlates to sex which is eternally consistent. The spectrum grouping we call male & female is very consistent as are the general groups we refer to as trans women & trans men. Gender is a cultural abstraction of this actually existing and unchanging biology. Race is a cultural abstraction of the physical characteristics of arbitrary regional & cultural groups that are eternally changing on a genetic level and have never once been shown to exist in fixed categories.

>>40451884
what you said is just not true.

>>40451883
Actually, I am FtM born with XY chromosomes.

>>40451872
Please don't call me that, just use a slur or something

I mean, race is genetic and upbringing and you can't change those (maybe the first one you could someday). Sex is chromosomal, but you still have the programming for the opposite ones in your genes and you can bring it out with sex hormones and stuff so I feel like its a lot less of a stretch.

Still if you wanna put so much work into cosmetic change I think its your right.

>>40451901
wrong, you don't need any medicine or procedure to change gender, it has nothing to do with biology. Doing so is transexual and cosmetic

>>40451891
hormones are very literally not just cosmetic

>>40451904
>I'm not as gullible as you are
>Think trans women have "female brains"
kek

>>40451855
Did you reply to the wrong post?

>>40451905
look it up, retard. what i said is scientific consensus. anyway, filtered

>>40451906
Great so ur an attention seeking retard nice to now
>>40451917
Hormones quite literally are. Retard. The whole point is to change body comp to look more feminine. If estrogen did nothing to how you look nobody would go through the effort of taking it

>>40451869
Nice selfie, not an argument shitlicker. Not everyone wants to get fucking scammed like you do. Every wonder why so many cryptocoin scams have racist followings? If you're dumb enough to believe in race, you're dumb to fall for a rug pull.

>>40451877
Oh ok then you don't mind proving that. Argue it out. Dont just mumble some implication and hope I accept your opinion as valid. It isn't and you aren't. Grow up.

>>40451888
I'm probably not who you were originally talking to then. Race isn't real so I don't believe you can change it meaningfully in this way. You could change it by making up a background for yourself or moving to a new culture though, quite easily.

>>40451934
Ur a dumb mutt either keep the filter on or don't. stop being cringe

>>40451940
I was born with XY chromosomes and AFAB and I naturally realized from a young age that that assignment was wrong.

>>40451884
so do u think this “brain sex” suddenly makes women want to wear dresses and wear makeup and act effeminately? There is obviously a huge social component of gender and race also has this component wherein a persons racial identity drives their behavior

>>40451943
>but muh crypto
god is your brain mush?

>>40451940
cosmetic means something that only changes appearance
hormones change a lot more than just appearance

>>40451901
Well maybe you aren't happy with your race, but there isn't really anything "in you" to bring out to make you another race, it would just be reconstruction. At least with tranny stuff our genes already have the stuff needed to do most of the work. Ig when we have the technology we can have this discussion all over again. Personally, I think if we had the technology to change races you might as well just do anything you want and race wouldn't matter anymore.

>>40451952
thats not ftm that's m. idjit

>>40451922
I did not tell you that. You are hoping that is the case so you won't have to explain why you believe in things you can't even express. Things that were sold to you at a premium. Again, where is your evidence for race?

>>40451958
Ok? skin bleaching changes more than appearance to moron. Look up skin cancer rates for different complexions

>>40451897
Read this thread again before commenting.

>>40451943
>I'm probably not who you were originally talking to then. Race isn't real so I don't believe you can change it meaningfully in this way
im talking about "changing race" in a framework of aletring your ethnic traits to cope with racial dysphroia. im using transrace as a term because its more intuitive and has existed as a term in the fringe zeitgeist for a while

>>40451965
>Look at what people in china look like
>Look at what africans look like
Stop being a retard

>>40451962
I'm glad you think so but I was AFAB based on my genitals. I had to go through the process of legally changing my gender and name then physically transitioning. That's what trans means.

>>40451957
The weakness of your mind vs mine is exactly why I could scam you. Racism is just a tell, like in a poker. I could stop posting this way and rook you silly by making up fictions regarding race you'd accept without a thought; because you already did, I just wasn't the con artist who took your valuable time, cognition and/or money from you. But I could. I just refuse. I think parasitism is for the weak, like Elon Musk, another easily deceived racist dullard.

>>40451992
No trans means you want to have the traits of the opposite sex. Wanting to have the traits of your own sex is the opposite of being trans.
>>40452001
did you buy trump coin or smthn also stop typing like a redditor

>>40451977
>racial dysphroia
You were told why this isn't a thing. Can you explain why you think it is?

>>40451981
Chinese is a racial group on par with African now? No wonder you get taken advantage. Do you have any idea how big Africa is?

>>40451958
the nice thing about hormones too is they work off of the bodies already existing genetics. It's still "you", just a part of the genes that were never utilized. Cosmetic surgeries and stuff are purely engineered.

>>40452007
I guess this absurd ideology is what you get to when you refuse to reconcile your cognitive dissonance about what sex means.

>>40452007
No, I don't fall for those scams because I'm not that guillible & naive. Someone as racist as your average Trump voter yeah, they're practically running a charity for needy scammers.

And quit whining that my posts are better than your's. If you weren't weak it wouldn't happen but you refuse to train. Not my fault.

>>40451969
that's a side effect of the treatment
hormones don't have side effects

>>40451954
obviously not, this "brain sex" (not even what i called it) does tend to make women more emotional and men less risk averse though. like this is really basic stuff, gender is obviously socially constructed but it is constructed around the objective reality of sex. the problem comparing it to race is that race is a bullshit line in the sand drawn based on nothing but vibes and superficial differences

>>40452023
sex is chromosomal, but honestly swapping out hormonal systems does do a lot and a male on estrogen is going to share a lot more characteristics a woman than a normal male would.

>>40452010
Are you retarded? You think chinese people look like africans? were you parents brother and sister?
>>40452023
>says I have cognitive dissonance
>thinks his mental illness which is exactly the same as this other illness is actual not like that illness because muh reasons
retard
>>40452028
>scam rambling
>>40452033
Hormones entire purpose is side effects retard. Males are not biologically made to take estrogen, that;s why they produce testosterone.

>>40452051
I don't accept Chinese & African as biological categories let alone equvivalent. Why do you? Explain yourself if you can. If you can't, you were scammed.

>>40452059
Do two africans have more or less genetically in common than either to a han person? Answer: more. Inbred moron

>>40452051
>Hormones entire purpose is side effects retard. Males are not biologically made to take estrogen, that;s why they produce testosterone.
hormones literally do not have side effects, they just have their natural effects.
males do naturally produce estrogen
hormones change things like feelings and emotions. You can't do things like that with "race transitioning", it's all cosmetic and surface level.

>>40452074
Umm the answer is less? Africa has the most genetic diversity in the world because they were inhabited by humans longer

>>40452084
18+ only kick rocks tard

>>40452089
LMAO you think two random africans will share less with each other than wither does to a han chinese person? literally rope ur a blight on this earth

>>40451904
>Race is a cultural abstraction of the physical characteristics of arbitrary regional & cultural groups that are eternally changing on a genetic level and have never once been shown to exist in fixed categories
There have been 50000 year old skulls dug up in china and they look chinese, on any individual’s timescale race is fixed. Moreover you could easily argue much of what constitutes gender is changing as well, if a tomboy got sent back to Victorian times they might be seen as male while today they would be seen as female bc the look of a tomboy today fits in the “female” category.

>>40452089
they might have more genetic diversity but race is about looks, not genetics

>>40452103
i think gender is kinda like culture where your usually born into it, but you can assimilate differently if you really want to. Sex is much more rigid since biology, but the second people figured out how to do anything to mess their hormonal systems they did so you can fuck with how sex is expressed by your body a bit.

>>40451636
>>40451521
OK you're definitely LARPing. I was starting to wonder.
Either that or your lips are orange.
>>40452047
Sex is complicated and chromosomes are only the beginning.

Y'all are in way over your heads.

>>40452118
your body knows what sex its supposed to be by chromosomes, we can trick it since that's what we wanna do but it comes down to that in the strictest sense. Obviously some youngshits are for all practical purposes the other sex since they developed on opposite hormones for so long so the chromosomes don't mean much.

>>40452098
this is about cis women taking hormones for birth control or menopause you braindead mongoloid
your retarded AI is calling this a side effect because it's different from the desired effects, but that's because it's being used for really specific purposes. For something to be a side effect it first needs an intended effect, but estrogen is obviously not designed the way most drugs are.

>>40452118
stop deluding yourself. You are mentally ill, that's it. End of.

>>40452131
You said they have no side effects, I showed you side effects. Fucking downy keep up.

>>40452131
and since you want trans shit you inbred ape

>>40452074
Less.

>>40452101
We know this for a fact. Prove otherwise. Why did you believe what you believed?

>>40452103
>they look chinese
In what way? What sort of Chinese person? When did this Chinese racial category emerge? Where is your source on this and what did the actual archaeologists say? Have the genetic components of those ancient """Chinese""" peoples been found to be identical to today's """"Chinese"""" people?

>gender is changing
Yes it does, I told you this. Read more closely, you aren't keeping up with my pace of thought.
What doesn't change is sex which gender is a cultural abstraction of. Male, female, trans man & trans woman have been very consistent sexes in humans across time and space.

Race can be "changed" outright by moving countries or waiting 20 years.

>>40452136
>>40452140
the fact that you used AI as your source proves how brainless you are

>>40452147
Literally look at the existence of any genetic testing service lol

>>40452036
no one is arguing that sex but trannyism 101 is that gender is broader than sex. Women might be more emotional but a man who is emotional or anxious doesn’t mean he has a female brain he could have a host of other issues. So the idea that women are emotional and men are risk takers is a social construct of gender based on typical traits of each sex. Race is the same thing, its a social construct placed upon the reality of differences in human appearance

>>40452130
That's basically all wrong. Why did you think that was right and where did you learn it? Can you justify any of it? Chromosomes can't be the be all end all of sex: the majority of people across time and space have never had their chromosomes examined prior to sex assignment.

>>40452147
sex doesn't exist anymore than race does, the metric you are using for existing is retarded because nothing exists. It's all social constructs that would not exist if we didn't say they did. The only things that maybe "exist" are universal constants even then that's a shaky logic

>>40452152
And what about them? Keep going dumbass, try to rub two thoughts together. Work hard now or you'll keep degenerating into a deeper pit of complacency where you'll be scammed and conned by smarter (but still weak) men until you've exhausted yourself as a resource.

>>40452159
>Chromosomes can't be the be all end all of sex: the majority of people across time and space have never had their chromosomes examined prior to sex assignment.
holy shit you are actually mentally handicapped lol....
"you can't say that animal is a dog you haven't taken a dna sample and sequenced it to compare it against other specimen labeled as dogs."

>>40452164
I disagree, sex does exist and I substantiated it's evidence in our sexual characteristics. If you feel otherwise, demonstrate otherwise. If you can't then what I have demonstrated (men & women exist) stands.

>>40452169
>scam rambling

>>40452177
no it doesn't show me the universal constant which denotes the sex of a human. I'll wait. I don;t have to prove anything, you are the one putting forward the claim that it does exist. This is like middle school shit buddy

>>40452176
No, you can probably identify most dog by sight. You'd struggle with other canids though obviously. A coywolf fools most people.

Animals are a non-sequitor anyway; we were talking about sex, gender & race. If you aren't able to defend yourself then your argument falls flat. And it is a sign you are easily brainwashed and influenced for private gain.

>>40452194
>No, you can probably identify most dog by sight
wow so you can rub two brain cells together. Now use those few brain cells you have and work it through, you got this buddy

>>40452130
Your body knows what sex it's supposed to be by chromosomes.
Specifically (usually) by the presence or absence of the SRY gene
This decides whether you develop ovaries or testes
But sometimes you develop testes and they make testosterone, but testosterone doesn't work on you and you're born female. Male technically, yes, but you will never pass as one.
Sometimes for whatever reason your body can't pick a direction and you have both ovarian and testicular tissue. This can happen even if all your cells are XX, and in fact XX is the most common karyotype when that happens. Decent chance you'll be assigned male if this happens, and all bets are kind of off for what happens during puberty.
This is without even touching intentional meddling with hormones, but the OG youngshits were intersex kids anyway.
>>40452132
At least I'm not a tripfag and a psyop

>>40452190
>show me the universal constant which denotes the sex of a human
With gusto, where is your nearest YMCA changing area & maternity ward?

>>40452197
Psyop is when truth

>>40452158
sure but if youre arguing sex (the category gender has always been based on) is even remotely close to race as a category you are beyond retarded. the two are so fundamentally different. sex was created literally millions of years ago and is fundamentally programmed into every facet of our bodies. race was tens of thousands at most, and determines little other than skin color, hair structure, and minor fat and skeleton differences (the kind of differences that can be seen in closely related same-race people too)

>>40452197
The y chromosome has other genes besides SRY and you can still look male even if SRY doesn't express if you are y-dominant.

>>40452200
>Infertile females are not females
thanks chief forgot how retarded you were for a sec

>>40452196
Echolalia is only another sign that you trust your mind less than you trust others; now you're even using my language.

You should've trained your mind harder. It isnt too late.

>>40452197
>Your body knows what sex it's supposed to be by chromosomes
No.

Your choromosomes are only part of the broader package of sexual characteristics denoting sex. Things like genitals, breast tissue, facial & body hair. People have chromosomes contrary to the "correct" chromosomes of their purported sex so frequently we had to invent multiple medical categories for it.

>>40452212
No one said that and while I acknowledge I am your chief now, you are a poor disciple. You should be studying colonial latin america, not mincing words over a subject you weren't prepared to tackle.

>>40452218
ok im bored atp if I wanted to talk to a neckbearded I'd go on reddit

>>40452226
holy shit are there that many redditors flooding in why do you type like this

>>40452211
I'll ask you to explain me then as soon as I prove I actually have a Y chromosome
(I'm actually getting tested)

>>40452227
I'm a busty redhead with large thighs.

>>40452235
Whine whine whine
Ive been here longer than you and that isn't a source of a pride.
My mind is though. Work on yours.

>>40452218
>Your choromosomes are only part of the broader package of sexual characteristics denoting sex
Exactly. That's my point.
"But muh gametes" well I'm not giving you a sample so you're gonna have to go off something else now aren't ya?

>>40452147
look up the Liujiang man, a 50000 year old skeleton with similar facial features as modern east Asian people. And to hammer what I said earlier they weren’t able to sex the skeleton, it being male is a guess. Both race and gender are social constructs that are used to categorize the spectrum of human biology and in both cases this categorized forms part of a persons identity

>>40452249
>Exactly. That's my point.
Couldn't be, not if your point was >>40452197 and you prioritize chromosomes for sex identification over every other sex characteristic in holistic combination.

>>40452236
there are people who don't express SRY but still look male to some degree and have y-dominance - thus proving other genes are at work even if we can't name them or say what exactly they do yet

>>40452273
Oh ok, so now this isn't even the skull of a "Chinese" man proving that "Chinese" is a biological category. Now it's "east asian". Sure, whatever.

Except facial features are highly mutable and people who look east asian are not always traceable back to that area; let alone classified as "east asian" or "Chinese" lol. A face is meaningless, where's the genetic meat?

>>40452281
I'm getting DNA tested because I think I might be intersex and I'm hoping modern medicine can dig up a clue to prove I'm not insane. Of course I don't prioritize chromosomes above all else.
I have a good guess but I don't actually know my own karyotype for sure until they take my blood and test it. The general public doesn't have a prayer. It's a stupid thing to obsess over.
Sorry if I was unclear.

>>40452202
I’m arguing race is similar to gender, gender is based on sex which is one part of the genetic code and race describes other parts of the genetic code. And sex isn’t as fundamental as you say obviously intersex people exist but also sex isn’t not consistent across species as you have asexual species and species that can change sex

>>40451443 (OP)
She's naturally very beautiful, and she looks rather grotesque in motion on her Instagram. Poor woman. She appears to be in a wealthy circle, has typical habits and dress of Palm Beach/Springs types and has a Rolls-Royce headrest in her car videos. I hope it was at the very least, her decision, and not pressure as a result of marrying some rich fuck with a control fetish.

>>40452319
I didn't ask for your personal details. I told you that my point and your point are mutually exclusive. Your beliefs and feelings stand outside of that. Good luck with your test however, I hope it gives you whatever peace you're looking.

>>40451443 (OP)
50 bucks says shes gonna have a "detrans" arc a la oli london

>>40452402
>Read the post, but somehow missed:
>But sometimes you develop testes and they make testosterone, but testosterone doesn't work on you and you're born female. Male technically, yes, but you will never pass as one.
I'm gonna go touch grass. You should too.
Maybe Discordia can go find some more BBC.

>>40451952
>I was born with XY chromosomes and AFAB
when you get dicked you should tell people this because that makes it especially hot

>>40452512
I transitioned and look unmistakably like a man.

>>40451443 (OP)
race is not some deep psychological truth or even biological fact, it's just a type of social othering, you're not black or white for any reason other than systems of power seeing you that way
if you're advertising your change on social media then you're probably some kind of grifter and nobody is going to take it seriously
but still people can do what they want with their bodies and are, in practice, whatever race a cop thinks they are

>>40453218
>you're not black or white for any reason other than systems of power seeing you that way
how has this board become infected with woke retards

>>40453218
actual trvklear strike. It instead makes people very uncomfortable to think about that they're probably mostly like the people they've grown up around, in other words a black person a white person and an asian person growing up in Joplin Missouri have much more in common than a black person from ethiopia or a white person from luxembourg or asian person from korea, this uncomfortable fact has led to much cope and pseudo science to get away from this fact.
In the end it's only looks, and people can change how they look, as is their right

>>40451610
you will never be white

>>40451443 (OP)
Nobody cares, do whatever you want

>>40451443 (OP)
No, fuck off.
Try as you might to be somethin your not your still never gonna be that. Also fuck off nigger. You cant be white. bitch looks like a fake ass wish version barbie doll.
Which one is you kevin or marcus?

>>40453389
Very low IQ detected in this post

>>40453257
>you're not black or white for any reason other than systems of power seeing you that way
>how has this board become infected with woke retards
Even the very few intelligent hardcore far-rightists fully acknowledge this. They just shift to "haplogroups" or whatever instead while keeping the rest the same.

And then there are the elite few who are ultra-woke and believe that stuff is true yet that race transitioning is also very valid and that scientific racism is exactly why progressivism and platforming of the marginalized is so crucial. This group is much smarter than the blank slatists and racists.

>>40451443 (OP)
Transracial isnt real because race isnt real
You could be theoretically "transethnic" and pass off as another ethnicity but depending on how much different it is from your current one it might not be possible

>>40454041
Neither is gender retard

>>40451700
>sub Saharan African

genuinely insane people keep using this category given the unrivaled amount of genetic and physical diversity between "subsaharan Africans."

>>40454051
Stfu you retarded brown bogged brick

>>40453446
Fuck you faggot

>>40452159

meant to type sex hormones, when a cell boots up it needs to know what type of body it is in and hormones are what do that. HRT tricks our cells, so we can be more like the other sex.

>>40452197
This anon is correct that we develop ovaries or testes early on in development based on chromosomes, and those pump your blood full of the appropriate sex hormone so the rest of the body can play along

>>40454096
good example, my mom's missing a uterus and doesn't make enough estrogen anymore, so she needs to take estrogen so her body doesn't forget she is supposed to be a woman even though her chromosomes are what told her to grow a uterus in the first place

>>40451694
Ask it to deviate between androphiles and gynophiles lol
This has been settled for a long time and is where the hsts are trutrans and agps are faketrans comes from
Funny how agps are always arguing against it and calling it cope. Theyre just upset because they are not naturally femme. For them its performative to indulge their fetish.

>>40454066
for the millionth time race is about appearance not genetics im sure they’re all very different but they look more similar to each other than they do to a Korean person
>>40454041
go back

>>40454125
Blanchard invented hsts and agp and he says both are men

>>40454138
The dichotomy is older than blanchard and he is not the final word on anything. All he did was notice a pattern between sexuality and gender and formalize it

>>40454125
AGP feels right to describe part of why I want to troon out, but why did I involuntarily picture myself as a girl nonsexually as a kid? Something about it doesn't feel complete as a theory.

>>40451658
nicely grounded take in a sea of terminally online midwits itt

>>40454157
It never claimed to be, its just patterns of behavior not physical laws. There are outliers in both sets, but the trends are apparent and real.

>>40454135
Why?
Ethnicity is a way our bodies have adapted to different earth climates over thousands of years. It's biological, down to different gene mutations, but it's not fully innate. There would be no ethnicity ot "race" if every place on earth shared the same environment and climate.

>>40454200
Its alright, the problem is these things do have biological basis, despite also being changeable to an extent. I think one way to go is to go by biology and call identification fake and gay, by extension though you are admitting that gender and race are fake and gay, all that is left is chemical signals and genes if you want to be a biology purist.

>>40454154
there is no one that studied or added to the typology that ever claimed hsts were somehow not men

>>40454222
for better explanation:
"I Identify as a WOMAN!"
What is a woman? Well we can go socially, thats cool but it also makes the meaning of one meaningless imo
We can go by chromosomes, but then a turbo youngshit is going to have much more in common with a "woman" than some roided out female body builder.

I think the logical answer is to just say fuck it, who cares.

>>40454218
no, ethnicity is in many ways more arbitrary than race bc it encodes cultural factors like country/religion. Race is simply a categorization of humans based on physical appearance. It’s easier to tell people apart based on race rather than ethnicity

>>40454239
youngshits still look and act male in a way a chromosomal woman would not

>>40454135
>for the millionth time race is about appearance not genetics im sure they’re all very different but they look more similar to each other than they do to a Korean person

I know that's part of what you were trying to say. that's why I said "physical." If you're looking at someone Ethiopian vs Rwandan vs South African vs Senegalese, they look very different--as much or more different than someone Korean looks from someone Chinese. Even within countries people can look very different, esp if there's not a lot of intermingling betweent tribal groups,

I think it's harder to see if you're not black? a lot of people in the US, at least, have trouble not getting completely tripped up by two people having dark skin. that's why there's that trope of mistaking one black person for another who looks absolutely nothing alike.

>>40454218
also there’s no good evidence that race is due to environmental factors, difference in features could be random due to random migration patterns as humans lived in small groups and interbreeded with different subhuman species in different areas

>>40454255
my aunt looks and acts male in a way most chromosomal woman would not lol. Of course any trans woman is going to be inherently more masculine, but I don't think its fair to lump a fully transitioned person in with men either.

Our bodies have a set of feminine characteristics and a set of masculine characteristics. They are told to develop these with hormones. By default, hormones are correlated with chromosomes, but that can be fucked with, and if you do its not too practical to say you are that gender anymore.

>>40454269
masculine women/lesbians existing doesn't make trans women not men

>>40454272
what is a man.

What is your absolutely bulletproof answer that covers every situation?

>>40451470
>>40451658
>>40451884
it's true in the sense that there is a legitimate scientific research program focused on researching sex-typical brain traits, and there is no such legitimate research program for race, because biological racism itself is not a scientifically valid theory
in any possible way u could try to revive biological racism, it would need thousands or tens of thousands of races, clustered by traits such as genetics rather than visible phenotype of just a few ppl, and not even the biggest racists would try that...
how sex and gender are shaped by and shape the brain is still somewhat mysterious but it is definitely legitimate science, and trans research falls under that too
ppl might not like to hear it but they would be in the minority

>>40454225
The same can be said about agps. im not deferring to their judgment so what does it matter? Youre just a retard if youre arguing typology isnt real

>>40454267
the point is they share more traits with each other mainly skin and hair type, than they do with far away groups in asia. If you had to slice humanity into 4 or 5 races than all of subsaharan Africa would be in one. If you used more races then there would be more separation within Africa.

>>40454292
no I think the typology is real I’m just saying that no one who studies the typology claims either is more “trutrans” or more deserving of transition

>>40454313
the most trutrans are cis people because transitioning should be a punishment for crimes and everyone 100% deserves justice

>>40454313
But if you ask them which group is naturally more feminine theyll all give you the same answer
Im just saying brain studies are skewed when you include gynophillic trannies and that leads to claims like "trans brains are similar to their agab with minor deviations" which is simply not true for a large subset

>>40454350
the average femfag could pass as a woman easier than agps and prob has a more female brain too, that doesn’t mean they are somehow actually women

>>40454078
>Fuck you faggot
I'm straight.

>>40454252
I'm not talking about that type of ethnicity
I'm talking about the physical ones like for example ethnoguesser uses

>>40454499
some of that could be later transitioners spent more time being a dude so they just aren't as used to being fem since they avoided it for so long

>>40454313
>>40454292
Anyone who believes the Blanchard typology is remotely real probably also believe Freud and Lysenko were brilliant. I'm not even LGBT but this is plain to see.

If one reduces the typology to "some trans women are mostly gynephilic and autistic while others are mostly androphilic and fruity" then yeah that's kind of real but Blanchardianism is a Freud-like psychosexual pseudoscience that's not remotely like that hypothesis.

>>40454499
No because gender is a social construct and theres no such thing as an "actual woman", ontologically. Its obvious you have nothing of value to add so im just gonna stop posting

>>40454521
I never said shit about blanchard being right, i agree he is a quack who stumbled onto an obvious correlation and beat it to death
BUT you cant get a good model of transwomen as a group when you dont account for sexuality, a lot of correlations get obfuscated

>>40454516
those are “human phenotypes,” basically descriptions of groups taken from anthropology and race science. Ethnicity is more of a cultural classification, like Jews and Arabs are different ethnicities despite looking pretty similar

>>40454521
There is a well documented and more widely accepted dichotomy between “late onset” and “early onset” dysphoria which closely mirrors Blanchards typology

>>40454051
>retard
Why do you only use that word when you're wrong?
John Money proved gender is real by doing unethical science experiments on toddlers.

>>40454350
It's probably a matrix of attributes: https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1509654112. But everyone latches onto parts thought responsible for sexual behavior because they want to point to one section of brain and say "boy" or "girl." But then they claim gay men are women and gay women are men, and that's stupid.
None of that even tries to explain gender identity though. But there are models that claim to be able to predict who will transition with surprisingly high accuracy from brain scans. Being trans is probably distributed throughout the brain.
>>40454350
>>40454529
Sex is just the output of 8 billion multivariate classifiers made out of meat. If everyone thinks you're a woman then you are one. Nobody's submitting to a medical exam to use the bathroom. Nobody cares about your uterus unless it's currently bleeding or you're trying to make babies.
Except that if people get it wrong and you tell them, usually they'll apologize and correct themselves. Meat computers aren't perfect and cishons exst. But if they're convinced you're trans they might dig in instead.

>finally a thread to talk about transracial
>hysterical whore details it into just another debate of the existence of transgenders thread

>>40454051
You have the most masculine energy on this entire board

>>40451443 (OP)
no???? are you retarded????

>>40455624
there is no way to "prove" gender exists and that pedo definitely didn't do it

>>40454558
Tbh yeah i mixed the two up
Still my original point stands. You should be able to alter your phenotype

>>40455897
You can set out to prove the hypothesis that gender and sexuality are behavior learned very early in childhood by reassigning to female the victim of a botched circumcision.
You can do that and have the whole scheme blow up in your face decades later when your victim goes to the press.
You'd have to be a huge pedo though, which you correctly point out John Money was.

Not to mention the decades of abuse to which intersex babies were subjected, studies on whom really should have taught us something but somehow didn't.
>Claim sex assignment is wildly successful
>Nevermind the GID rates so high we had to change the definition of GID to exclude them

People should really read beyond Blanchard.

>>40454286
>because biological racism itself is not a scientifically valid theory
uhh the medical industry would beg to differ, things like hypertension are treated differently based on known differences between races, even so far as to develop and prescribe different drugs. and like melanoma is 99 percent of the time only a problem for white people compared to black. there's lots of biological differences between races. this is not to say i believe transracial is valid, but there's a lot we do know, and a lot we still don't.

>>40454302
>If you had to slice humanity into 4 or 5 races than all of subsaharan Africa would be in one. If you used more races then there would be more separation within Africa.

You don't have to slice humanity into four or five races, at all. And skin and hair type are only that significant if you are raised on US-style, chattel slavery racism. You are taking a very modern, artifical lens and applying it like it's a scientific truth. You might as well insist on making seven races, make six of them Bantu, and throw everyone else into the remainder.

>>40457558
This is a good point about sex.
"Two sexes" is based on the observation that nearly everyone can easily be identified as one or the other. All our observations about the traits common to each are based on that simple fact.
But it became artificial and fake the moment we started forcing into one box or another people obviously born outside of both. Instead of simply accepting nature as it is we chose to impose our will onto it by force.
And so it is with race. The differences you see are real, but we choose the categories and their boundaries. It's worth asking whose interests those categories serve.

Why is this the thread that gets traction here? Is this really such a sticking point in the trans community? What the fuck is going on?

>>40457953
Tourists and retards. This board is chock-full of both.

>>40457953
dude they're not even talking about the op topic. it was derailed into an argument of "hurr durr are trannies valid"

>>40451443 (OP)
Kinda cool from a freak of nature and medically possible standpoint I guess kinda like attaching extra arms to a human lol

>>40451443 (OP)
race is not an inherent neurological trait

>>40451443 (OP)
they need to make more films like picrel I miss fart scenes

>>40455980
>things like hypertension are treated differently based on known differences between races,
Major oversimplification. These racial categories aren't consistent or scientifically derived. It's a measure of shifting pools of genetics too shallow to create major differences in biology. Those inconsistent & eternally fusing & diffusing genetic groupings are then viewed differently by different cultures.

What you're trying to describe are momentarily existing biological tendencies like how your family might have a history of heart disease. Is your family a biologically distinctive category from other humans because that? Not really. These medical conditions can even be caused by something deeper than simple genetic inheritence, epigenetics suggests that you can essentially inherit stress & trauma as well. We know that adverse conditions or nutrition during childhood can have lifelong effects; if society is sorting people by perceived racial categories (regardless of actual biological distinction) then it stands to reason that such closely associates families, friends & neighbors would share certain tendencies. In other cases it can be as simple as environmental exposure; if society is pushing minority groups into poor areas rife with industrial hazards then that has an effect.

Racecrafting con men will twist these facts to make a quick buck. Whether you paid to "learn" that or not, someone was scammed out of their cash & cognition. Then you decided to do some free advertising for the MLM.

>>40455624
John Money was trying to prove that gender identity isn't inherent as part of his broader work against trans people. According to Money there's no reason a trans woman can't just decide to be a man and thag this would be the correct outcome. His "experiments" were conducted in the name of debunking gender dysphoria.

>>40451443 (OP)
kinda hot ngl

>>40457953
Oh there's a lot of dunces who genuinely think the transracial meme is logic bomb that will take down the "transgenders" anyday now. It's both fun and somewhat important to drown these people in the sea of their own ignorance so they don't do it again. Some get scared off and its no longer fun, some learn to swim and abandon their race & gender mythologies. This is how we humans learn.

More and more I think this idea of "bait" was just a fad. You're not taking anything from someone by intellectually stimulating them, you're robbing yourself by deliberately accepting your own insincerity. In fact if I was piece of shit predator who wanted to make sure my followers never took themselves or anyone trying to save them seriously, I'd brainwash them into viewing thinking itself as a trap you must avoid at all times or else you "fell for it". That way they'd never question their leaders and would always default to simple affirmations from the other suckers. They could tell each they came out on top by repeating "funny memes" (ie thought cancelling mantras) when they're backed into an ideological corner. Never realizing they were trained like dogs to obey, offering the trained response compulsively out of operant conditioning & thinking it's their own decision.

I have my own hypothesis on why transracialism hasn't taken off yet and I think it's because of how entrenched race is as a concept (at least in the US, which was founded on a racial caste system). Liberals are horrified by the idea of whites being able to adopt the struggles of non-whites and the idea of non-whites giving up an aspect of their identity to physically assimilate within white culture. Conservatives, meanwhile, are disgusted by the idea of a non-white "cheating" their way into white privilege instead of "earning" it by being born into it. This is especially true for neo-nazis and nationalists, it's much harder to chant "blood and soil" if someone can switch from black to white. It also seems like the procedure to transition, like with changing skin color, seems like it's more expensive and more superficial than HRT/sex-change surgery but I could be off-base in this respect.

>>40459849
Its a bad hypothesis no offense.

It's just much simpler than that, "trans racial" can't take off as a thing because it isn't one. Trans people go as far back as Hammurabi at the latest, trans racial? Not so much. I'm going to say you don't see that term in this context until maybe the 70s but certainly never in antiquity. Because while gender & sexist clearly exist, race was outright invented in the modern era to justify the Eurasian slave trade. So there isn't any actual dysphoria animating this & the identity itself lacks deep roots in human culture. Then the "process", such as they are lol, for "transitioning your race" are already everyday cosmetics. You could have tanning salons & whitening creams or trans racial identities, you can't develop both. "Transracial" is a branding exercise for what are basically extreme makeovers with no social or biological meaning whatsoever.

>>40459754
>momentarily existing biological tendencies
only momentary in the sense that on a long enough timeline, all races will eventually have bred to become homogeneous, creating but one race. we are not there yet.

>>40459901
No momentary as in never consistent at any given point. As in "a temporary situation".

We can't progress to becoming one biological racial category because we already are one. Humans never differentiated themselves from one another on a genetic level. To call us a subspecies is pathetically out of touch, what did you imagine a subspecies even was? Humans are biologically the same tool using, environment warping, discursive creatures wherever you care to examine us. Meanwhile Jackals & Wolves have completely different methods of survival that led to biological distinctions.

You'd do well to stop thinking of these purported racial categories as delineations between or within species. They're much more less like dog breeds and much more like dog coats. Being white is as meaningful biologically as having a brindle coat.

You should have guessed that though by the picture you saved. Look at it! It's literally made for babies. No sources, no definitions, no arguments except for cowardly insinuations. Bad enough that someone is trying to prove humans have subspecies with 1/13th of a toddlers picturebook, *you* actually seem to think it's persuasive! How intellectually starved are you?

>>40454504
First why you on here, and 2nd your personality not your sexuality

>>40459986
yes exactly bro its for babies, because even babies can see the differences between races. i dont care about race, it makes literally no difference to me, and for most people it makes no difference (outside of the examples like hypertension and melanoma and medical stuff i mentioned), but thats not to say there arent races, its just that the races dont really matter. its almost as superficial as eye and hair color, but its still a difference, one you can see and test for. we are the same species but within us exist different races. persnally im hugely in favor of eugenics, and i would do so based on three categories, in order of importance these are: intelligence, empathy (a close second, maybe even tied), and beauty. i dont think race matters generally speaking, there are far more important factors to make makes a human. i can go into way more detail about specifcally why i think those three factors are important, and how to test for them, and how i would personally enforce eugenics, but theres a character limit and im sure no one wants to read it.

>>40460121
>yes exactly bro its for babies, because even babies can see the differences between races. i
I'm not your brother, I'm your better. You fell for an argument that should only work on babies. And you ignored everything you were just told by me that tells why your ideas are a fiction sold to you by more clever or at least greedy men. If we were divergent species, why do we have the same lifestyle & definining characteristics? Why has there never been a consistent racial scheme? Why can you change your race just by moving countries? How can race exist of if it's only symbolically linked to eternally changing genetic groups? How can race exist without any consistent biological distinctions between purported racial groups? If race exists why was it consciously constructed by European elites who sought slaves while being constrained by centuries of anti-slavery laws that prevented them from using their neighbors? How did race develop so quickly if so much of our species' development took place in one genetic bottleneck in Africa?

>>40460236
>>40460121
And f course you believe in eugenics, eugenics is simply another modernist excuse for authoritarianism ie: rule by con men. You believe in eugenics because you were taught to. Believing in race was just the start. As I said it marks you as a fucking idiot, so if you already believe that "Chinese" is a meaningful biological category it'll be easy to convince you that every person in power has deserved their position genetically & should be enabled to pass on the power due to heritability. In reality we know that the proponents of eugenics never produced anything of value and to even make a dent in the human condition you would need centuries of extreme authoritarian domination to segregate populations into groups that never, ever mingle. Then after some centuries go by you might have seperate subspecies emerging.

In reality though the only goal of eugenics like racism is to ensure complacency. You were swayed by a picture fit for babies. That's what you were made into for the elite's pleasure and profit. You could improve, but it'll take effort & humility to achievw that dignity. Try by defending your position on race from my questions, it'll help you realize how badly your legs were broken by crutch salesmen.

>>40451443 (OP)
theoretically it is possible to pass as a different race, so yeah

>>40460295
Hey guys guess what, I'm Trans Astrological now. That's right I've decided to start reading the Leo horoscope instead of the Pisces one. Check & mate transgenders! If trans astrologicals exist just now, how could the thing that predates it by thousands of years also be real hmmmm?

>>40460325
shut up bottom

>>40460253
thank you for attacking me and calling me an idiot, its so much easier to ignore you when i know you cant even fight your own argument you just have to insult me instead. you seem taken by the idea of some sort of conspiracy, you keep mentioning con men, salesmen, im truly lost, and i think you are too. i come to my own conclusions, im not reactionary. eugenics is extremely based, it would limit the possibility for bad actors before they even exist. imagine if every serial killer, every rapist, every pedo, not to mention every hereditary disease and ailment, could be prevented before it causes any harm, and to do so in a way that isnt genocide, which seems to be all too easy of a solution for world leaders. bro

>>40460331
"I'm Transpositional now, if I can suck cock & and also be sucked then how is GENDER real?"

-Don Jr @ The Little St. James Reunion Party 2021

>>40460358
Hey asshole you were given a direct list of questions to answer pertaining to your supposed "point" on race. Can you answer fucking any of them or were you only trained to get emotional and defensive? Sorry if the band aid coming off hurts but that quack you've been seeing shouldn't have rubbed dirt into the wound, now we have to disinfect it thoroughly.

>>40460380
you said, and i quote >Why can you change your race just by moving countries?
how tf do you expect me to answer such a question? thats absolutely absurd, are you reading what you're writing?
no, my dear, you cant change your race by changing countries. oh i guess i could answer it.

>>40460368
transpose this dick into your mouth donny

>>40451443 (OP)
once the usa falls. before then its fake. with the existence of passports and the like its like if instead of being assigned gender at birth you got a little sticker that gave you access to patriarchy. all you gotta do is take the sticker off and for most practical purposes you can be whatever gender you want. life could be a dream, life could be a dream... then once the us falls the cultural signifiers will become way more important and you'll basically have the modern gender system with more poles. i do want to see whether melanin replacement therapy exists before then though, that'll be fun.

>>40460437
now of course we're in the middle of the us (really the west now that i think abt it) falling so its kind of in a state of flux. hence why i could move to brazil and "become brazilian," learn the customs and "become brazilian" again, form a social network and "become brazilian" once more, and be prevented from ever "becoming brazilian" by my skin. the fact those go in an order is not really natural imo

>>40459754
>John Money is a piece of shit tranny hater in addition to a pedo
Yeah I know. And he was so wrong his star patient gave interviews about how wrong he was, and also how much of a pedo he was.
Therefore trans people are valid. QED