how do we fix the tttt optics question

>>40466592 (OP)
everyone stop saying the n word NOWWWW

>>40466592 (OP)
wow liv spitting and im licking it up.

>>40466592 (OP)
i hate(not really) liv because i'm jealous of how good she looks and how huge huge her tits are

I think like despite how rancid the culture here is it's actually a necessary mental health release for people with unlucky transitions that live in a world where first world, white, luckshits lounge on social media like pagan goddesses

some people just don't get to be women and we need a social space to cope with our suffering

it's more comfortable for everyone if we post here than if we become bitter replyhons getting minimal engagement and ruining the vibe in polite(pretty) society

t. flat chested manmoding agpcel who started (diy)HRT before her

>>40466592 (OP)
As much as /lgbt/ fucking sucks this is very true. I wish I had started browsing this board as a teen and started DIY instead of repping for so many years. Ultimately having your body raped by the wrong hormones for years is worse for your mental health than the brainworms you get here because you can get over your insecurities but not fix bone structure, etc.

>>40466906
>social space to cope with our suffering
Yeah I think from the outside this place looks meaner than it is. But also everyone's constant hugboxing everywhere else made me trust no one and it probably actually made me less confident going out in public.
On the other hand this place might've given me BDD. Hard to say.
>>40466735
It is crazy fuckin racist in here though

>>40466592 (OP)
ive never seen someone being called transmed for gatekeeping hrt
is this even normal?

>>40467361
The average hoid is racist
That's just how it is

>>40467361
yeah... i go to tumblr for most of my dopamine but come over here to cope

>>40466906
>>40467361
this place did give me BDD and I boymoded for 3 years now I'm constantly called a luckshit gigapasser by people who post here I've met irl lmao

Zoomers are retarded and that shit should be kept off of high profile places for a reason. Zoomers can't fathom going to a niche site for information. They need to have everything in one place

>>40466592 (OP)
>dangerous medications, not toys
hrt is toys though

>>40467361
the average normie sees the n word and kys a couple times and thinks we must all be evil psychopaths, half the time it's ironic or has 0 emotion behind it. meanwhile every tranny has internalized a delusional sense of hope that they project onto every other tranny

post tits?

>>40466592 (OP)
I remember being told off when talking about DIY.
That was all on Fransgenre, biggest French tranny Discord.
There was this boomer tranny that was supposedly an anarchist that always backed the SOFECT aka the boomerhon medicalist shit.
Ofc tons of pedos. And rapists, as I found out later, sadly. Turns out I was seen as a prey by lots of trannies who fetishised me because idk I was hot and charismatic. Now I'm ugly and a depressed shut in so I guess they did "corrupt me" thx

>>40466592 (OP)
You don't.
You can't.
Have the blacks ever beat their optics? Have women? Have anyone other than the white man? Has even the white man?
In any group, we are all unsalvageable.

The best you can do for trans optics is to improve your own optics.
You will never win over the world, but you can win over the people in your life. Don't be a weird or creepy piece of shit, it isn't very hard.

>>40467361
People are anonymous here so they are more honest. People believe the same things IRL :)

>>40467942
It'd be cool if we didn't become illegal in the entire developed world though

>>40467925
good
get fucked

This board is dead as fuck now a bunch of twitter trannies taking it over wouldn't be a problem

>>40468083
If most of us lived in the real world and interacted with people optics would naturally get better if you ain't weird shit. instead you hate yourselves on 4chan and wonder why people think trannies are unstable masochists who live in the dark

>>40468582
>unstable masochists who live in the dark
well that's what we are innit

>>40467942
Actual truth nuke

>>40468582
>lived in the real world and interacted with people
I literally do this what are you talking about? I just also post to 4chan on the black hole board normies won't touch with a 500 foot pole.
Nothing here has any effect on optics for anyone who isn't already seething and digging for more reasons to hate us.

The optics is the filter that keeps the riff raff away

>>40467942
Extremely correct take.

>>40468673
>>40467942
trvkes... bless our hearts

>>40466592 (OP)
She;s right
>>40466906
how does she look?

>>40467925
>ugly
because of no diy?

>>40468582
>people think trannies are unstable masochists who live in the dark
this isnt the stereotype about us though

>>40466592 (OP)
you stop being a repulsive pickme, victim-blaming, and doing the work of the oppressor and instead grow a fucking spine

No. One. Thinks. About. Us.

They just care about sports and their kids.

>>40469458
What do you think being a tranny means anon

>>40469470
what does that have to do with the OP's question or my response, anon?

>>40466592 (OP)
>stop allowing transbians to transition, kill all existing transbians
>stop allowing hons to transition, kill all existing hons (including me)
once the only trannies are straight passoids everything will go back to normal

>>40469498
Manmoder manifesto

>>40469512
but that puritanical bootlicking ideological shit has nothing to do with manmoding?

>>40469512
I'm not a manmoder I'm just a hideous twinkhon freak and if I was shot dead it would be better for everyone

>>40469544
The two options:
Manmoder->passoid
Manmoder->dead
That is how all manmoders talk. U shoot ur shot and pass or fail and kys

>>40469589
nope, that's gay and retarded
t. manmoder

>>40469625
>>Gay and retarded
Prerequisite for posting

>>40469639
you've missed the point: you are incorrect

>>40468083
That's not happening though? In all of europe trans rights are actively marching forward. Only in UK and US are they going backwards, and those are not developed countries, they're barbarian shitholes.

>>40469479
being a tranny means being a pickme

>>40469498
have you ever talked with a transphobic man? they only fear straight passoids, they want to eliminate the possibility of being attracted to a tranny. this regime will not end transphobia.

>>40469782
how?

>>40466735
if normie troons weren’t so weird about muh racism I prob wouldn’t be here

>>40469964
people pleasing to fit a role you are transitioning to

>>40469838
transphobic men secretly crave trans bussy they're just too afraid to admit it

>>40466592 (OP)
again people don't know the difference between transmedicalism (being trans is going through government gatekeeping to get hrt ) and transmedicalism (being trans is a medical disorder that requires hrt)

>>40469993
but that's wrong

>>40470050
you dont know enough trannies

>>40468815
Bad meme btw

>>40469727
Isn't Europe banning youngshits? Sounds like a backslide to me.
>>40469838
Too real

>>40470000
Not all of us.

>>40466592 (OP)
trans med doesn't mean anti diy im sick of this retarded talking point

>>40470289
just most

>>40470316
It does if you're Brianna Wu/every transmed on Reddit

>>40470558
>>40470316
It doesn't make much sense otherwise. How do you explain to normies that it's a mental illness but young people should just diagnose and treat themselved with internet drugs

>>40466592 (OP)
Most obnoxious human award

>>40471170
Easy. If we ever live in a post-apocalyptic wasteland I also hope someone makes bathtub insulin for the diabetics, even though you should really get a prescription for that shit.

>>40471170
we shouldn't have to treat ourselves with internet drugs, but the state of the healthcare system makes it necessary

>>40466592 (OP)
Those rules are a test you dumb fuck.
If you didn’t figure out how to secretly get that shit on your own, you FAILED. You don’t want it. You’re a trender.
This shit used to be illegal. Finding and psyopping doctors and surgeons and bureaucrats into falsifying documents and giving you surgery was the gate keeping. And it worked perfectly until computers made it impossible. And now everything’s fucked.

>>40471306
>>40471345
What’s your theory on how the trans population survived without life saving hormones for 300,000 years of human existence? How does the trans population of chimpanzees do it?

>>40471370
who are you?
never reply to me again

>>40471433
Checkmate, got it

>>40467568
TRVE

>>40471370
Trans chimpanzees just get their balls bitten off by other chimps

>>40471370

>>40471634
Damn, so you’re trying to claim that they’re just castrated men? Huh.

>>40471643
Checkmate, got it

>>40471370
>What’s your theory on how the diabetic population survived without life saving hormones for 300,000 years of human existence?
They fucking died numbnuts

>>40471790
Very good! Now, why do we have a higher percentage of diabetics today? Because modern society can help keep them alive and support them, so they go on to have diabetic children! Now, are trannies having tranny children..? Hard to without a penis. You’re comparing a disease that crystallizes your blood to wanting pretty hair in hopes that it somehow proves that these are in fact life saving drugs when, in reality, I think most humans were too busy working to survive to worry about whether they felt more male or female today.

>>40471886
>wanting pretty hair
You don't need hormones for that.
>trannies having tranny children
We have mutations that pretty much guarantee you'll never reproduce, but kids keep being born with them.
But also let me introduce you to my friend John, 50.
>most humans were too busy working to survive to worry about whether they felt more male or female today
Source: trust me bro
>I think
I can't with these loose definitions

>>40471983
Aw, no argument?

>>40466592 (OP)
Nooooo don't wait to get a medical diagnosis, just inject yourself with something you got online that was made in some guy's bathtub in Montenegro!!!

>>40472064
You're baiting for a mistake you can respond to cuz right now you've got nothin'
Jen Shapiro is undefeated

>>40469225
cool timber wolf...

>>40472111
I think you’re projecting a little bit sugar bun. I simply asked a question and you gave me a one liner, so I took it as an invitation to start a conversation. You weren’t up for it so you ignored all points and bitched about semantics. That’s fine, but you can just say it like it is, no need for us to beat around it.

>>40472064
Autism also prevents you from reproduction as can be seen in your case, but still spergs keep getting born, aren't they?

>>40472170
At an accelerated rate at that! Much like trannies, interesting correlation there. Thanks for your input!

>>40472161
>anon gave back an argument
>b but i don like it so its no argument waaaahh

>>40472178
You retarded shitskin poojet do you even understand how genetics work

>>40472180
Oh sorry I’ll respond:

1. No, pretty hair does not come from hormones. Good job! Doesn’t change a single thing in anything I wrote though, as I never claimed pretty hair came from hormones. Fail!
2. Closest thing to a refutation here! He’s comparing nonreproductive mutants to trannies to say that trannies are being born, which still doesn’t actually refute my statement that trannies are non reproductive. Fail!
3. I need a source from him on point 2 before I can refute this one, conversation can’t move on until he fixes this little hypocritical mistake. Fail!
4. Claimed I tried to define something, I didn’t, nonsense statement. Fail!

I figured I’d just chalk it up to not-an-argument for the sake of not sounding pedantic on top of sounding like an asshole, but since you asked so nicely, there you go champ.

>>40472199
No please enlighten me

>>40472228
>I never claimed pretty hair came from hormones
No instead you're conflating the clinical diagnoses of gender identity order (past) and gender dysphoria (present) with a desire for pretty hair.
Elsewhere you do something simiilar with "felt more male or female today," conflating a sentiment expressed in a Shania Twain song with a persistent condition.
You didn't get a real argument because you made it clear you're just derailing. But it's been fun to see how you work.
>doesn’t actually refute my statement that trannies are non reproductive
How's that relevant to anything though? Do you WANT trannies reproducing?
>I need a source from him on point 2
You don't need a source to refute a response to a non-sequitur. More derailing that's not fooling anyone with a pulse.
>Claimed I tried to define something
You claim to think. I'm gonna need a source for that.

>>40472371
>ur not respecting trannies enough so what u say doesn’t count I can tell
Ok
>doesn’t understand, attacks it, gets corrected, asks why it’s relevant
Could’ve started with that, but instead you derailed me!
>I need a source but u don’t need a source
Ok
>I give up
Ok

I’ll check in on ya tomorrow famalam, but it’s been fun to see how you work!

>>40469498
kys

>>40472641
you first, rapehon

>>40472668
KYS
only hons should be allowed to transition because we're the only ones who REALLY want it in spite of everything
we're the only ones with skin in the game

>>40472675
no you're the ones ruining everything for the rest of us

>>40472687
KILL YOURSELF

>>40472501
You remind me of someone I used to work with. Really short dude with an epic Napoleon complex. He did strongman and leased a Charger just so he could hear the engine remote start from his desk. He ate Chick-fil-A as a weird virtue signal and liked making really dumb arguments like he really thought he had something special and unique.
If you met that guy would you argue with him or would you just let him play with his Tonka trucks?
If you're willing to dismiss something like a half century of research on trannies because you disagree with it there's no point in engaging on substance.
>it’s been fun to see how you work!
Literally copying my lines. You have to be 18 to be on this board.
>>40472199
Nah he's definitely American. Or maybe British? Nobody else's education system is failing their people this hard.
>>40472687
Unironically it's cislibs

>>40472687
even if that's true it doesn't really matter

>>40466592 (OP)
TRVKE

>>40470316
no seriously xitter users are so retarded transmed = whatever I don't like

>>40472687
truth tsar bomba

>>40474248
Good morning!
Hey glad your old work pal had interests, doesn’t sound like they align with mine but he sounds like a genuine and outgoing person, rare these days! No I don’t think I dismissed any trans research… come to think of it, I don’t think you posted any. You were too busy trying to score points to make any, remember? Finally, I just felt so inspired by that catchy phrase you posted that I thought I’d connect an idea with you using your language, it’s a powerful conversational technique to show you’re listening, engaged, and understand the other side!

Now, about that half century of trans research. I’m American and my education system has failed me, can you give me some good ideas to discuss?

>>40474569
A proper introduction could easily be a full semester long psych course, but I recommend starting with The Transsexual Phenomenon by Harry Benjamin.
Sexologists have a weird and recurring obsession with the sex lives of trannies like it's their job or something, though, so it's worth reading what they've had to say about the gender identity development of intersex children as well. Other people look at you kinda funny if you give up and call 6-year-olds transvestic fetishists so they have to try a little harder. (Spoiler: instead they blame the parents.)
I don't have to tell you this but take everything with a grain of salt. They took John Money seriously for decades. But it's still vital background reading if you want to debate the validity or recommended course of treatment for gender dysphoria. Helps to know all the wrong ideas other people have tried already.

>>40474569
Holy redditnigger space

>>40470017
>again people don't know the difference between transmedicalism (being trans is going through government gatekeeping to get hrt ) and transmedicalism (being trans is a medical disorder that requires hrt)

both are untrue

as is tucuteism

the correct philosophy is transbiologism - that transitioning is defined as taking cross-sex hormones consistently, regardless of other factors or causes. it's centered around action rather than unprovable ideas

>>40474717
Thanks! I think I need to read up a bit on the topic to gauge the leading arguments myself. I’ve got a couple family members with gender concerns and they’re none too happy with the course of their lives so far, which is unfortunately common. Anything I can learn to help get them on a good path would be excellent!

>>40474815
Sorry! 4chan does not support tab functionality so I prefer to make my paragraphs legible and distinct the alternative way!

Sorry for the blogpost everyone else. I need to have a heart to heart with anon here.

>>40475395
Man that's rough. Whatever ends up happening with them I hope they turn out OK.
I was in bad shape before I transitioned. Nobody would've known it was for gender reasons, but everyone saw me struggling.
I almost drank myself to death and ended up technically homeless. I only ever dated one person, and my social life was slowly shrinking into nothing. People were afraid I was gonna turn into a shut-in.
I didn't think I had what it takes to transition, but I couldn't take it anymore so I did it anyway. My mood changed for the better almost immediately, and then over several years things got better and better and my body changed and I became less awkward and made friends and generally I live a reasonably fulfilling life now.
There is hope for some of us!

A BIG CAVEAT THOUGH
It has come to my attention that I catastrophically failed puberty. I have weird scars and think I might be intersex. My surviving older family is really cagey about it when I bring it up. I'm hoping genetic testing will tell me something, but I may never know.
My voice never passed as male. My ribcage never expanded. I never got heaps of man muscle. People who've only ever known me as a woman still think I'm babyfaced. I have not had facial feminization surgery.
That has made my life undeniably and profoundly easier.
It's hard for most of us. People stare. You can get street harassment or even violence. It's harder to get jobs. Especially people transitioning after puberty need to be prepared for this reality, or there lies regret.

But even when it's hard for us most of us will tell you it's better than the alternative. Except maybe on 4chan. This is a venting board. People come here to be miserable in company.

>>40475370
>transitioning is taking hormones
Based

>>40474815
Maybe being less xenophobic towards Redditors will help tttt optics. Besides, nobody should be forced to use Reddit.

>>40475395
Nta but why do you speak like this

>>40476408
Wow, cool to hear from a success story! My cousin went ftm at 16 because she felt ugly in high school, now she regrets cutting off her breasts terribly. Ended up fulfilling her own fears! My sister divorced her husband to start a relationship with another woman and is trying out status as a non-binary, but their relationship is starting to strain now that it isn’t all fun and nights out anymore. Money’s getting tight now that it’s two waitress paychecks! Man I love these girls, but they’re making some silly decisions here and there.

Anyway, it’s good to hear that maybe-intersex folks have an outlet to feel more like themselves, but I’m also excited to learn more about the leading theories on this stuff to find out why happy and safe people in my life and so many people around me pursue excitement and eventual ruination! I’ll study what you recommended thoroughly, I hope it helps!

>>40476426
Felt out a vibe, enjoyed it, did it, doing it

>>40477326
Unfortunately I think you'll struggle with papers on modern problems. Everything's so politicized now so either authors can't admit people transition for the wrong reasons oooooor they think everyone does. The whole field is in shambles.
Everyone needs to chill tf out so the science people can do science, but unfortunately we're gonna do a culture war boss battle instead. Fuckin' embarassing.
Some people desperately need hormones. Other people desperately need to learn girls feeling ugly is like a fundamental force of the universe. Back in my day they'd just starve themselves over it.