What is the final solution to the HSTS problem?

>>40484232 (OP)
1) All mtfs get assigned a cisf masc butch partner in order to help re-educate and fix the hsts tranners
2) Kill all cism chasers

>>40484232 (OP)
anyone who transitions for sexual reasons should be forcefully detransitioned.
that applies to anyone who is a blanchfag, as whether you believe you're "AGP" or "HSTS" you're still transitioning for a sexual reason and should be detrans'd for being faketrans.
blanchfags whether hsts or agp are a blight on trutrannies

>>40484253
This but
1) only recognize hsts women as being valid and legitimate members of lgbt
2) kill the agp. they don't seem happy being trans, yet they're also not interested in being women since they are hypersexualized men that fetishize women as sex objects they can mimic

>>40484269
everyone transitions for sexual reasons

>>40484269
is it a sexual reason if i transitioned because I saw I got more dates on grindr with normal people when I looked more fem than looking masc? I dont have gender dysphoria, but I also didnt really do it for getting sex 24/7, just finding a normal person my age to have a relationsship with

>>40484289
I am the anon you're replying to and I'm asexual, so you're wrong faggot
>>40484292
yes, you're a faketrans and one of the people I specifically mentioned should be detrans'd. and + you specifically mention not having gender dysphoria. lol, lmao, obviously you're not a tranny

>>40484295
asexuals don't real

>>40484298
>asexuals don't real

>>40484232 (OP)
t4t transbians are already hsts

>>40484295
Asexuality is a coping mechanism for people that are trying to avoid their sexuality. If you experienced puberty and masturbated, you have a sexuality.

There's no such thing as real trans or fake trans. Trans women transition for reasons pertaining to aberrant sexual identities.

>>40484295
>yes, you're a faketrans
you're totally right and I never call myself transwoman. I always just tell people im a gay man taking hrt for aesthetics. obviously im not a tranny, but why should i stop taking hrt if my life is so much better on it? Got a bf and everything from it

>>40484336
because you are making gender roles harsher by taking hrt and normalizing the belief that men can't be feminine - they have to try to look more like women

>>40484356
>because you are making gender roles harsher by taking hrt and normalizing the belief that men can't be feminine - they have to try to look more like women
I sympathize with the idea behind that but imo its hard to pin down the details
for example:
>normalizing the belief that men can't be feminine
what ascribes being a feminine man that doesn't try to look more like a woman? Exclusively personality behaviour? Is feminine behaviour and looks intrinsically linked with *being* a woman? If yes, then I cannot be a feminine male without trying to be a woman. If the former statement is true, and feminine behaviour and looks are not intrinsically linked with *being* a woman, then what I'm doing doesn't matter anyway?
Is this wrong? I want to keep being happy with my bf and I would probably lose him if I went back to my masculine self.

>>40484386
maybe its the act of changing my hormone system specifically that is trying to be a woman that is the wrong part. if its like that for you, then I'm sorry, I will sadly continue

>>40484386
its weird you view your bf as a trophy who can only be kept with chemical castration on your part - he doesn't really love you - he just loves how docile you've become through eunuchization

>what ascribes being a feminine man that doesn't try to look more like a woman?
feminine behavior

> Is feminine behaviour and looks intrinsically linked with *being* a woman?
yes

>If yes, then I cannot be a feminine male without trying to be a woman.
no because you don't have to take hrt to be feminine as a male - you take it to align your behavior and appearance - with the suggestion that feminine behavior is wrong/inappropriate without feminine appearance

>>40484407
>its weird you view your bf as a trophy who can only be kept with chemical castration on your part - he doesn't really love you - he just loves how docile you've become through eunuchization
thats a very radical and simple take of our relationsship based on what I just wrote imo
> he doesn't really love you
how would you know? How would I know? I said before that he might leave me but at the end of the day, that might just be fear on my part. I did adress it and he said he would of course be still together with me, but its the kind of logical problem that you cant really dissect without knowing the others persons mind. By all due respect, I don't think you know my whole mind and or my bfs whole mind, or do you? Can you maybe tell me more of how you know?

>no because you don't have to take hrt to be feminine as a male
I think you glossed over my statement then, I would totally agree then if I take hrt, I might be normalizing that problem. I just don't want to risk losing my relationsship if I change X that was a huge part in getting to be together, I'm not god, i don't know what my bf will do, neither do you.

>>40484453
what if you ended up finding a man who loved you whether or not you took hrt - would that be better or worse in your mind?

>>40484459
>what if you ended up finding a man who loved you whether or not you took hrt - would that be better or worse in your mind?
I wanted to write that in a prev reply but wasn't sure if it would be too much text.
I love my current bf and am deeply monogamous, so I would be probably considering suicide first. If I found a man who loved me without hrt, and I had a definitive answer, it would be the same I feel like.
I never had a lot of attachement to being male, even in a biological sense and saw myself as a genderless robot. I don't really care if I would lose my balls, etc if I gained boobs vice versa, but I like the current me as thats the me thats been experiencing the most happiness in the last years. Its the small stuff like people appearing nicer, but then you have downsides like men trying to help you on stuff you were just thinking for a moment about, that feels quite demeaning. Idk, it all levels out rn to me and maybe looking like a woman edges out infront right now.

If I hadnt been on hrt for nearly 5y now, and I was my gay 16y old self, if I found a normal dude my age instead of old men that wanted to sexually abuse me, or even my childhood friend got together with me, I would have never took hrt ofc

>>40484492
do you have to love being male to be male?

>>40484503
No, being male in a biological sense is dependant on my chromosomes, maybe in the future that will change with technology. Being male in a societal sense, no I don't think so. Its an ethereal statement to me, like "Do you have to love being human to be human". What do you think?

>>40484289
i didnt

>>40484516
can you be socially male despite hating being socially male, and acting effeminately?

>>40484538
>can you be socially male despite hating being socially male, and acting effeminately?
that depends on what you yourself consider being male imo
in a societal sense, depending on the country, and in at least mine, yea? Kinda? I don't actually know at all what society at large thinks, what the average man in my country thinks of effiminate gay men. They would consider them probably male as best as it suits them
For me personally, male/female in a social sense is just an amalgamation of certain traits that are considered male or female over the human millenia. Is being submissive a feminine thing, is talking with a high voice feminine etc. I would say, if you hit enough traits of those, you're socially considered feminine. Its a spectrum isnt it

>>40484569
>you're socially considered feminine
what does that mean

>>40484574
>you're socially considered feminine
a person with societally agreed upon feminine traits, like the afforementioned traits: submissiveness, talking with a high voice, being quiet spoken, having a blubby personality. Do you think men in your environment would consider that traditionally male or female?

>>40484584
males can be submissive or dominant
females can be submissive or dominant
letting people boss you around doesn't change your gender

>>40484574
also it makes me said you're ignoring my own questions
>>40484516
>What do you think?

feels like an interrogation rather than discussion to me rn

>>40484593
you don't want to hear any views other than your own, of which you are already wholly convinced

>>40484592
>letting people boss you around doesn't change your gender
what is gender to you? I personally see biological sex and societal sex (gender). I can either conform to societal agreed upon behaviour and traits if I want to be more "feminine" or "male" or try to change the gender narrative. I'm not a person that wants to stand out so i do the former, its that simple to me
>males can be submissive or dominant
>females can be submissive or dominant
Of course, I agree? Or did you think i wasn't?

>>40484610
>what is gender to you?
chromosomal sex defined externally through social and behavioral ramifications as well as indirect references like dress, grooming, and customs

>>40484609
>you don't want to hear any views other than your own, of which you are already wholly convinced
maybe, can you say the same of yourself?
At the bottom of it, can you sum up your view?

>>40484232 (OP)
milo yiannopoulos
he detrooned the husstuss doll actor from envy/desire

>>40484616
do i assume correct that there is no distinction to you then to biological sex and societal sex (the latter is what I consider gender), rather they're intrinsically linked to you? I thought you would support the former, as someone can be feminine be all counts of measure but still be a biological male

>>40484626
I think humans play games where they learn to call crossdressers as if they were the opposite sex, while knowing and internally thinking of them as their birth sex - or really as somewhat intersex people but still closer to their birth sex

the idea that you can be intersex and visually/socially CLOSER to your birth sex is kinda controversial

>>40484622
>detrooned
he shaved his head, he still takes hrt, so it isn't really detrooning

>>40484634
He takes testosterone

>>40484617
> can you sum up your view?
heres my own view btw

You CAN be a biological male and be feminine in behaviour and traits, but you can only conform to societal expectations, or try to change them which individually is hard. Yes, you don't need to take HRT for it.

If you are someone that conforms to those societal expectations, then you shouldn't be shamed for it, but its understandable to be angry, because if we all challenged society in that regard, we would be able to make a difference.

Taking HRT as someone that doesn't have GD *can* have non-erotic reasons. Taking HRT is morally wrong if you don't have GD as you might further strengthen the current societal expectations of gender.

I personally see my own happiness as more important than changing societals expectations of gender, and rather conform.
Its NOT wrong for you to think I should be forcibly detransitioned. But I won't as thankfully I have the power of decision in this case

>>40484652
the hardest things in life are the most worth doing

>>40484660
>the hardest things in life are the most worth doing
I'm too weak for that. Even if the chance of me losing my bf because of me stopping hrt is just 1 or 0.1%, I will NOT take that chance. He is the only person left in this life that loves me and I love. My parents died when I was young and I selfishly built this happiness myself, and I won't risk it.
Thank you for listening to my traumadump, it was nice arguing and writing

>>40484667
I think maybe feminine men have been told their whole lives they are weak and they've learned to believe and not try to do anything risky or controversial - even if it could help them.

>>40484232 (OP)
the same as the final solution to the OP problem

>>40484634
nvm i take it back

>>40484652
>Taking HRT is morally wrong if you don't have GD as you might further strengthen the current societal expectations of gender.
low iq take

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>>40484232 (OP)
you're the problem gincel and history will erase any trace of you.

>>40484253
the dolls are delicate
please don't bruise our dolls