Is trans immutable? Seems like people just cite fmri studies which are useless for this kinda thing. Otherwise there's no reason to assume that it's like being gay which is immutable because it's not sexual attraction.

no, experiencing gender dysphoria is a choice to be sexist so others will like you more
acting out stereotypes of the opposite sex doesn't make you a moral person

Sexual attraction is extremely mutable

>>40493624
no that doesnt make sense. nobody would choose it. but that also doesnt mean it's not mutable

>>40493622 (OP)
Which FMRI studies? They don't cite them usually. So you're full of shit, fuck off.

>>40493624
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derailment_(thought_disorder)

>>40493622 (OP)
If it were mutable, why would anyone choose to have dysphoria?

>>40493622 (OP)
its immutable because its agp

>>40494323
because other people validate you when you claim to have it - it's a sign of submission and willingness to conform

>>40493622 (OP)
being gay is mutable

>>40493700
like these ones.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3896179/
>>40494323
well being mutable doesn't mean you choose to have it. just that it's changeable, like changing from being trans and dysphoria to not having it

>>40494453
if you gave all gay men estrogen, what would happen?

>>40494453
no its not

>>40493622 (OP)
is there any proof for "sexual attraction" being immutable?

>>40494566
DTI isn't FMRI you absolute fucking moron, it just uses the same type of scanner but does a completely different procedure. Besides nobody links that study. Fuck off and read more instead of making shit up.

>>40493622 (OP)
>brain studies are useless for a brain thing
anon come the fuck on
what do you want you retard

>>40494686
cope pozzed faggot

>>40494686
it is
also kill yourself, retard

>>40494716
why so mad anon? gender identity is different from sexual orientation, and sexual orientation is pretty well established that its immutable, but is gender identity also so well established? I'm asking. People use brain scan studies to say that trans people are more like the gender they transition into as evidence that bwing trans is immutable. I'm asking if that is really good evidence? You tell me
>read more
like what?

>>40494721
idk anon idk. I just see things like
https://ideas.ted.com/much-of-what-we-know-about-the-brain-may-be-wrong-the-problem-with-fmri/
so what

>>40494332
>because other people validate you when you claim to have it - it's a sign of submission and willingness to conform
I got so much shit from my parents when I came out I'd never choose to have gender dysphoria

>>40494332
Idk about you but I had to come out explicitly using the word transgender like 12 times total from ages 8-19 to my parents to have it even acknowledged, and the acknowledgement was not great, and I was homeless within a year of them actually acknowledging it. They were... alright? With me being gay though and certianly wouldnt have made me homeless over it.
So do tell me where the validation here is because I sure as fuck am not seeing any.

>>40493632
yeah bro if you just shock someone 600 times while showing them pictures of their prefered sexual partners you can totally cure them. you never ever wver wver would get the to admit whatever the needed to to make the torture stop lol.

>>40493622 (OP)
this makes no sense at all, why would you accept one set of reasoning or justification for understanding and exploring sexuality but reject it for sexual identity? you're fuckin dumb

>>40497170
I only liked women and then started also liking men after getting introduced to traps. You are just coping.

>>40497211
>i was doing what i was raised to and then noticed later on i also liked men

KEK

you probably also hated greenbeans or tomatoes on principle of one bad experience too.