i wish i was an intersex luckshit. fuck my endosex permahon life it was already over when i was conceived

inhave no gun only blades

>>40508484
ive been wanting to get some pretty knives but i never got to actually buying any

>>40508155 (OP)
i think im just going to start lying to cis people that im intersex (if the topic of sex/gender is broached to me). they have no way of telling after all.

>>40508674
that wouldnt work for me cause i look 100% male

>>40508155 (OP)
same, i wish i could just lie about being intersex but it's very obviously not true. fuck my stupid XY cock and ball having deep voiced woman-scaring moid tranny life

wish granted, you now have XYYY chromosomes and CAH

>>40508727
the key word is ''luckshit''

>>40508155 (OP)
why is this image kinda hard?

>>40508155 (OP)
why does this image make me kinda hard?

>>40509475
cause hayden is fucking cool

its funny how any blond guy can get called a woman now by having long hair and not being fat + being under 40 and at least somewhat conventionally attractive

>>40509554
She has a female singing voice also. Or at least she's like a tenor or maybe even a counter tenor and can sound a lot like an alto

>>40509588
you can just admit its a dude here
its anonymous
we can say the truth

>>40509697
i think she passes pretty well

>>40509554
being at least somewhat conventionally attractive is a bar some people can never reach though. like that does just discount a huge number of people. (not that it actually does i pass and am ugly)

>>40509723
you have never seen him in unflattering lighting/candids

>>40509742
but trannies are insane people insisting that crossdressers being attractive makes them the opposite sex
you will end up in death camps before people take your bullshit seriously

>>40509751
>you have never seen him in unflattering lighting/candids
do u have an example? there are too many pics of her for me to know which ones ur refferring to

>>40508674
Lol. This doesn't matter in the least. They will still just call you a tranny, or assume it's new made up bullshit.

>>40508155 (OP)
Intersex aren't luckshits, they have growth and developmental abnormalities, which is why many of them are sub 90 IQ and over 6ft tall.
It's just pure luck that the ones you meet on 4chan and other communities have none of those common defects. That's because they're not actually intersex. They're just coping and bullshitting to look down on others for thinking it means they're real women, which isn't what real intersex conditions are.

>>40509776
my whole point is they never honestly show you what they really look like
trannies are an optical illusion based on online anglefraud
in person he's a man with long hair

>>40509751
>but trannies are insane people insisting that crossdressers being attractive makes them the opposite sex
have you talked to any trannies before? have you heard of gender dysphoria?
>you will end up in death camps before people take your bullshit seriously
the nazis tried this and there are still trannies. you can never get rid of us because trannies will always be born scattered amongst you

>>40509848
trannies take hormones that literally physically change how their genes are expressed. it's not just clothing and hair, if you actually didn't know that you aren't really ready to talk about trannies in any serious way

>>40509834
And those of us intersex males who are not mentally limited or 6ft tall end to have a whole host of issues. Drastically increased cancer risks. Sexual disfunction, hormonal imbalances that fuck up everything from mood to libedo to bone health, inability to gain muscle mass, weak as shit. Bullied constantly in your youth, mysterious health problems that make no sense. Shit sucks - and you usually don't actually pass any better.

>>40509912
Dude stop making shit up by running through the list of potential conditions that will never effect you. Your phenotype of intersex is an imagined fever dream you use to cope and get online clout.

>>40509903
you are just men larping

>>40509935
i have literally never been seen as or treated as an adult man by anyone. i don't look like a man either lol. what im doing is treating the suffering that i experience due to sex dysphoria

>>40509956
you will never look female
your life is based around nothing but lies

>>40509988
im sure if that was true it would come up eventually

>>40510001
congrats you have made a world where others lie too
do you really want honesty? do you want people to tell you you look male?
no, you want to believe, so they humor you

>>40508155 (OP)
could u be intersex and not know it? ive never had a micro dick or moobs so im guessing probably not

>>40510019
Yes you can, there are multiple intersex conditions and not all have clear presentation. It's unlikely though.

>>40509925
I have partial androgen insensitivity...
It's entirely separate from being a tranny.

>>40510074
even if you had complete androgen insensitivity you still wouldn't look female

>>40510017
what im saying is that the world where everyone is lying is a fantasy world, trannies get misgendered and called trannies irl all the time. and i don't get misgendered or called a tranny

>>40510089
do you think every guy who is a closeted gay guy has strangers going YOU MUST BE GAY to his face irl?

>>40510081
please use google before saying things like this. CAIS are assigned female at birth and cannot masculinize LITERALLY AT ALL

>>40510099
i have been on hormones for 7 years and live as a woman. either people can tell im a tranny (and therefore a man in your view) or they can't, and they see me as a cis woman. i'm not closeted. im stealth

>>40510102
you can masculinize without testosterone just from chromosomes setting your bone proportions

>>40510129
your genes themselves do nothing if they aren't being expressed. the development of secondary sex characteristics (what we use to distinguish sex visually) occurs doing puberty due to sex hormones, including the testosterone (which CAIS are immune to)

>>40510215
Also in the womb it should be noted, but again this is a moot point in the case of CAIS.

>>40510215
bone genes can be expressed without sex hormones

>>40508155 (OP)
Trannies wishing they were intersex is so fucking retarded I'm intersex and I'm not a luckshit all being intersex does is make other trannies fucking hate me and say I'm not really trans because of some fucking nonsense I hope all endosex trannies who wish they were intersex kill themselves or get reborn as an intersex person who was severely mutilated to the point where they can never have sex or pee correctly ever again like fuck off if you think being intersex is easy when intersex people are oppressed 100x more than trannies even in fucking LGBT friendly spaces

>>40510343
Sorry for sperging I'm on new meds
In all honesty as an intersex hon I have an intersex luckshit friend and I'm jealous as fuck of her because she has a normal genital situation but her body is entirely feminine despite being trans
God I wanna kill myself I hate being intersex

>>40510299
what evidence do you have for this?
>>40510343
stop expecting self hate to be logical or reasonable. endosex trannies are miserable fucks to and will reach for literally anything, and not being literally just a normal moid or foid sounds appealing to a lot of trannies

>>40510382
You're right and desu I was way too harsh, I'm intersex and absolutely not a luckshit so whenever I see someone wishing they were intersex I get fucking pissed. Especially considered a lot of trannies have been extremely fucking cruel about me being intersex ranging from calling me slurs to fetishizing my body. Most people even in the LGBT community don't even know half of what intersex people experience

>>40508155 (OP)
ethel is my angel. her music and vibe sing to me.

>>40509751
ethel has tons of candid stuff out there. she never even uses good lighting lol. shes perfectly femme. cis girls copy her

>>40510531
its a man and its weird you simp for him
he has no idea who you are and it doesn't hurt him to be honest that he looks male online

>>40510542
Shes more femme than your inbred mom retard

>>40510503
i only like her ambient stuff desu most of her music is very generic but her vibe really is unique and i love it

>>40510577
he*
he's some random agp
he's not fem at all

>>40508484
misread blades as "babies". average 1950s tradwife when asked to defend herself:

>>40510585
I like it all. The horror songs I usually skip unless I want that vibe for some reason. But she has like 50+ amazing songs. I've been a fan since before preachers daughter. Her voice is perfect.
https://youtu.be/9muYCJ2qfwI?si=i1IpXJQxKFqGzhia

>>40510436
im sorry about the way people have treated you and for the fact that your struggles kinda just get erased. ultimately, i wish i was intersex. i don't tell my intersex friends this because i know i only want it due to brainworms and i don't wanna minimize what they go through, but when im around them i can't help but think they just see me as a normal man while they actually have a reason.. idk. im retarded

>>40510436
Sorry you've been through that <3

>>40510631
What do you mean a reason? The majority of intersex people live their lives as their assigned sex. I certainly did for 30+ years.

>>40510631
Honestly that's valid and I'm sorry for going off on you at first I was in a bad mood but I promise you don't need a reason to be trans it's just something you happen to be

>>40510436
I am sorry.
>>40510631
I think I might be intersex and the way I found out kinda sucked, and then I had a years long quasi existential crisis about it. It took me almost two years to get someone to agree to test me, and because genetic testing is imperfect even then I may never know for sure.
Urologist even kinda gaslit me about it with a whole "nothing to see here" speech, but put a "weird junk" diagnosis on my chart.
If I'm right my parents took that knowledge to their graves. I kinda had to forgive them in death even though I can't even be sure they did anything. Whole situation is a huge mindfuck.
Ended up being a luckshit though so I guess I've got that going for me.
But then I just developed weirder brainworms and convinced myself I was irredeemably male anyway.

>>40510815
it's just brainworm nonsense. i hate myself for being an otherwise normal male. someone can call me a a man and anything i have to say otherwise is pure cope to 90% of cis people. i don't personally know any intersex people who aren't trans so that colors my expectations too.
>>40510905
don't apologize, your feelings matter too!
>>40510960
im sorry you had to go through all that :( i know that the medical system is horrible for intersex people and i can't imagine what it was like to deal with all that mentally. im glad you're a luckshit and im sorry about the brainworms

>>40510074
ive read about how some people are born with that condition and are intersex. are you intersex also?

>>40510960
>the way I found out kinda sucked
I mean, if you were intersex you had marked differences than normal males. why bother getting confirmation from a urologist or a doctor, surely looking in the mirror and observing other male's bodies in comparison to yours would be enough?

>>40511180
there is a lot of non-intersex variation within the bodies of a single sex. before hrt i had gyno and wider hips than most males but i am not intersex

>>40510960
Honestly you're 100% valid to label yourself as intersex, most intersex people never get diagnoses because the medical system massively fucks us over in pretty much every way possible. The general consensus in the community is that doctors already have so much control over us, and our bodies, that the least we can do is make sure they don't have control over our community as well. If your experiences fit you're 100% welcome in the intersex community.
I'm somewhat similar in the sense that it's absolutely fucking obvious I'm intersex but the likeliest conditions for me to have are almost untestable, with a large margin of error. My doctors basically admitted I'm almost definitely intersex but they don't know the cause. Shit sucks.

>>40511180
I thought almost everything that was different about me was down to being comically short.
Everyone in my family is short, but our men still reliably pass as men. I didn't. But I wrote it off. Oh it's because I have long hair. I guess I do kinda have a high voice don't I? That could confuse people.
It wasn't until I trooned that I realized my bone structure was fundamentally different. Before that it was obscured by teenage-onset central obesity.
But even then I had kind of an inkling, but it was like I was half in denial.
It was finding the scars--or at least what I'm pretty sure are scars--that made me have to investigate. Something I could not find in the medical literature as normal or abnormal anatomy, but I could find similar things in post-op photos.
Now I'll feel like I'm fucking crazy until I get confirmation. Like it all feels like a weird conspiracy theory until I see proof.

>>40511242
Thanks anon. That actually made me cry.

>>40511212
>there is a lot of non-intersex variation

you're partially right. there is not a lot of variation. in a crowd of 100 dudes, maybe 5 will look effeminate naturally. There IS variation, but those variations like the ones you have are definitely far more rare. I spent high school in an all boys school and there was no one there who was a femboy or looked even somewhat effeminate. When u say wider hips than most males, is it to the point where you have a thigh gap? or that your silhouette would confuse most people if they had to guess whether you're male or female?

I'm a pretty masculine guy, but I guess my genetics gave me a bigger ass. It's nothing huge, and I've built a good bit of muscle all over to accomodate. But some of my exes have commented on how they are jealous I have a fat ass.

>>40511273
Being intersex is hard af. Believe me when I say your experience sounds really similar to a lot of intersex people I've met. People want to erase our existence, including not letting us even find out we're intersex and gaslighting us into thinking we're not different from anyone else even if it's obvious we are.

>>40511258
>teenage obesity

damn, I guess that makes more sense then. Whenever I think of intersex people, I always imagine them as normal or thin, never thought about it like that. Almost everyone I know of who starts HRT ends up getting a bit more plump and chubby, so how did that work out for you? you went from obesity to obesity, just now a lot more effeminate?

>>40511314
I was barely overweight (normal BMI through high school actually), but none of it turned to muscle and all of it was stored in my gut or around my torso. Not just normal man fat but like I was instantly teleported to middle age. That's what I mean by central obesity.
I looked like that even though I didn't have a car and rode my bike everywhere.
Post-transition I am back to my high school weight but between estrogen and starting to lift weights I'm way stronger and leaner. But what's left did redistribute reasonably nicely.
I'd post a photo but I'm afraid of being murdered in my sleep by chuds.
>>40511309
Yeah so I've learned.
For an extra layer of fun my dad was retired military and I was born in a military hospital. I might literally be a living government conspiracy!

>>40511584
>i'd post a photo

Well, I am interested in talking more to you. Not with any ulterior motives, I just don't get the chance to speak to someone who is genuinely intersex. So it'd be a conversation I'd like to have from a curiosity point of view. So if you dont feel comfortable posting it here, I could drop my disc and you could add me, or vice versa.

>like I was instantly teleported to middle age.
That's hilarious and sad lol. I know that men do tend to store a lot of their fat as visceral fat whereas women store it in the hips and thighs, so maybe thats what happened with you? What are ur parents and family's view on u transitioning btw, and what do you personally view it as? a transition or a return to what you should've been in the first place.

>>40511300
i had a little bit of thigh gap pre hrt but i was also super skinny. my sillhouette wouldn't confuse anyone probably and i never really malefailed even though i had long hair (i presented pretty masculine though bc i got bullied a lot for my femininity before puberty), my iliac crest is what's super wide, no clue why but it makes my waist-hip area look weird even after hrt

>>40511736
you seem to be pretty mean to yourself lol. you transitioned and, from what i understand, are trying to be more feminine. but ur saying you wouldnt fool anyone? why's that anon

>>40511779
no i mean before hrt

>>40508155 (OP)
idk if i count but i wish i wasn't born with "severe" hypospadias that was surgically corrected. confusing sexually because part of the reason i pursued men sexually is because i thought they would be more understanding of it than women. most of them were but i've stayed celibate for 5 years.

>>40511804
Ah. well how about now? are you content with how you look now? do you think you look good, have u found a partner, etc. stuff like that. What is ur type in guys anyways, im assuming youre into dudes that is

>>40511822
Hypospadias is most often a sign of intersexuality, because feminization in utero makes the urethra in a position that would be normal on a vagina but too low on a penis

>>40511621
Sure why not. With the caveat of course that I have no actual idea what is going on with my body medically. They're doing a karyotype but if I'm PAIS that'd just be XY. But I can certainly describe my experiences.
A lot of stuff I don't actually care about posting here. I'm still processing and it helps to talk about it, but you can't really talk to normies about this stuff.
But if you drop a disc I'll add you

>>40511837
it was very close to my scrotum and repositioned with cheek gum grafts

>>40511851
>I have no actual idea what is going on with my body medically

Yeah, but i aint exactly expecting you to be a medical expert. i want to know more so along the lines of how you've lived ur life with that condition.
mrkrillion

talk to you soon anon

>>40511621
Oh shit I missed the other question!
My dad died more than 15 years before I started hormones. My mom accepted me instantly, and only asked if that was why I had had an alcohol problem.
My mom actually debated my gender identity with herself in front of me. In like 1998-2004, so not really a time anyone was thinking they might have a trans kid. But it was after we watched a show about intersex kids who rejected their assignments and talked about it.
They knew I feel like too much in retrospect about the surgeries and hormones and even the lies parents would tell about the hormones.
Everyone else has been weirdly amazing about it. Zero people disowned me. I'm incredibly lucky in that regard.
Even my born again evangelical christian former coworker still talks to me. Though like all religious conservatives I out myself to he kind of assumed I was intersex before I even realized I might be.

>>40511864
Yeah that's very likely intersex if you have other signs it's worth exploring

>>40511922
>My dad died more than 15 years before I started hormones. My mom accepted me instantly, and only asked if that was why I had had an alcohol problem

They say that a father's toughness is necessary in some ways for a childs growth. even if they are hard on the kid, it can be good for development. So i wonder if him not being there played a part in you wanting to transition. but with ur condition, who knows. I grew up around women and yet I'm a very masculine guy.

>zero people disowned me
Do you think it might be vanity? there's this thing called the halo effect where people attribute positive traits to good looking people. maybe its because you have an attractive face? (im just assuming). Perhaps thats why you were much more widely accepted. I imagine if you looked like gorlock the destroyer, you'd face a lot more backlash. So what do you think it is? luck, good looks, or smth else