i started hrt around age 18 to 19. i'm 25 now, and curious how much difference if i'd waited until now to start, or maybe even waited until 30. would there have been more irreversible masculinization? other than like maybe my hairline getting even more f'd up than it already is. thats still "fixable" compared to something like bones.

i'm pretty sure my skeleton shape was already set in place when i started HRT age 18, especially comparing photos from 18 vs now at age 25. i think if i had repressed longer, my skeleton would still be 1:1 the shape it already is. main difference would probs be hair-related, which can be treated with laser, electro and surgery anyway. reasonable to conclude if i got the hair-related problems fixed, then long-term i would still end up with an identical body to the one i have from starting at 18/19.

i think the reason i thought about this in the first place, is because when i started hormones at 18 i remember i was TERRIFIED of "what T will do to my bones" if i wait any longer. and age 18 i had JUST realized how important it is to start earlier rather than later, lol, and i was still in a mindset of thinking i was still going thru puberty and that my bones were still changing. but i dont think they were.

if youre wondering, before 18 i was delusional and just assumed bones were malleable no matter the age, that estrogen could change a fully grown adults bones and height, and that waiting until i was an adult to transition would have no ill effects. how stupid! and my understanding of secondary characteristic dimorphism was really bad as a teen, i remember during puberty class they talked about male/female shoulder differences and i couldnt tell even looking at pictures. also i dont think i was even fully aware of my own bone structure until within the past few years. its all so cloudy and i dont really remember much and i dont think i paid much attention to my body shape back then, i think i was too grossed out by myself.

your bones wouldve got thicker, skin rougher, and facial hair stronger and harder to remove.

>>40597073 (OP)
i started hrt at 23 after going back in the closet and repping at 18, during that time from 18 to 23:
>shoulders got wider
>ribcage got much wider
>facial hair and body hair thickened
>went from cute twink to man facially
>lost fat in my butt and hips

>>40597127
Would you be willing to upload photos to Unsee?
I'm curious to know what I should expect. I'm 20 right now, but I'm pretty on the fence about HRT.

>>40597142
sorry i cant, my (now ex) bf made me delete all of my pre hrt pictures last year so theyre lost to time
>I'm 20 right now, but I'm pretty on the fence about HRT.
i was still pretty twinky/fem at 20, i looked like a man by 23

>>40597073 (OP)
impossible to tell with so much variation between people, but twinkdeath rarely happens by 18, whereas it happens to most people by 25. you’ve likely saved yourself from getting at least a little worse

>>40597185
Understandable.
How do you look now? Did HRT improve things?
At the moment I'm planning on avoiding HRT until I can't anymore, instead opting for skincare and dutasteride. If I start getting masc I have all the HRT stuff on hand, so it won't be an issue to start.
Is that stupid?

>>40597220
thats a retard strat, if i had went on hrt at 20 i would have passed without a lot less effort and a lot less stress. if you dont want to get as masculine as a regular man, duta and skincare wont stop that

>>40597185
based bf, keeping pre transition photos is bad for the soul

>>40597234
I'm not personally interested in passing. I'm just trying to avoid twinkdeath.
>if you dont want to get as masculine as a regular man, duta and skincare wont stop that
I don't really expect it to. It's mostly a stopgap solution until I'm more confident in my identity.
My main vice right now is that I want erectile function and I don't want breast growth. I'd try a SERM, but raloxifene has some nasty neurological effects, and better SERMs (bazedoxifene/lasofoxifene) aren't on the grey market yet.
So, yeah. I'm kind of between a rock and a hard place identity wise.

>>40597303
ive known many many people like you, all but two went on to transition fully while two detransitioned. youre going to lose more from indecision than making the potentially wrong decision

>>40597317
Maybe. I dunno, I've gotta get sperm banked at the very least.
I'll figure it out.

>>40597073 (OP)
Hairline, more body hair and it would also be more resistant to low androgen levels, maybe a little difference in bones (they should already be 90-95% set at 18), and also maybe a little difference in breast growth. That's it.

lol

>>40597073 (OP)
For me, from 18 to 22, my jaw got bigger. My masculine brow became more masculine. Whatever other changes occurred were too subtle for me, but those are enough for me to regret uaving repped ever being so young.

>>40600246
Oh yeah and like the other anon said, I have more facial hair too.

it varies. i repped from like 15 to 25
i did not have many changes from 18 to 25, still look fairly boyish though i dont get carded for alcohol as often, but people always are in disbelief when i say im 25. did my bones get a few millimeters thicker from then till now? probably but its imperceptible. i look at photos of myself when i was 18 and i cant really say i look different.

however ive always been a low t bitchboy and likely have some kind of androgen insensitivity. i have zero hair loss, not a lot of body hair, female digit ratio and so on. plus actually low testosterone .

at the same time i have friends who went bald and started looking like their dads from 18 to 25 so it really is incredibly variable. im just glad my genes for once were in my favor and gave me time to meander and figure out of im trans or not

Some of my friends had an insane change from 18 to 25, specificially one friend who looked like a twink (but was straight) that turned into a really not goodlooking man with beergut and lost like half his hair

It really depends but imo the risk of waiting is way to high to gamble on this if you have the slightest intention of actually transitioning

>>40597073 (OP)
I changed pretty significantly from 18-21 and so does basically every male. Youre a retarded lucky midshit and i hate yoj as well

>>40597123
Body hair too. Also may have seen some voice drop, like I did. The slight bone changes other anons mentioned. Plus god knows what else that I was too retarded to notice
I wish they talked about this in health class or fucking anywhere I would’ve been able to see it but a lot changes in little ways between 18-23. You’d think it wouldn’t since you’re supposed to be past puberty by then but no. Op you have no idea how much you’ve won by if your body at 25 looks the same as it did when you were 18

19, 20, 21.

it feels like such a small change and such an unbelievably big change at the same time. i find the timeline very hard to look at.

i wanted to start hrt the whole time but basically repped because of retarded mental illness (ocd told me i wasn't allowed to do it). once i realised i had masculinised from "about-to-start-hrt-twink" to "man" i vomited and started estrogen immediately

don't do this to yourself. it's so fucking painful for me to deal with right now

Don't rep, don't wait. I didn't properly start till 23 and i hate myself for it. My body is a wreck and will probably never become something i could like existing in.

>>40597203
kids these days hit twink death at 17. I see so many young boys who look like they are in mid 20s

>>40602710
you look very male in all those pics

>>40597073 (OP)
Your biacromial grows until ~30, ribcage widens as you age, your face and hands masculinize due to hgh+test combo, the farther you start from puberty the less changes youll get because of lower growth hormone production

>>40602732
yes, i know. that's why i say small and big. it's not "i fully passed then stopped" (would have roped) it's "boy to man". i would still malefail at 19, but now i only do at night

>>40602710
Friend please do something else with your hair

>>40602710
Are you covering your balding hairline?

>>40597073 (OP)

Idk what your point is. It comes down to genes but in general masculinization doesn't just stop when turning 18. We're too conditioned by Christianity/boomers that something magical happens at this age when in reality just growth hormone levels fall when you age. The drop is more sever during puberty but they don't fall to zero over night at your eighteenth birthday.

So on T you will grow a more masculine bone structure, skin, mpb, muscles, cartilage, tendons, joints everything. Just how much of this happens before or after that age depends on your genes. But usually guys look more masculine after puberty because that's what T does.

>>40602758
no the hair "style" was another retarded mental illness trait. my ocd said i was going to like, unironically fully die if i modified my body. so no haircuts, no estrogen (or any medications), no idk, ear piercings

>>40602710
hair combover looks really bad but hair is otherwise nice.
ngl, i think here its mostly aging. Theres nothing really hugely different in pic 1 and 2 other then more visible nasolabial fold and crows feet, also beard ofc
is most right current? Hope u've been on hrt for a good time now.

>>40602860
most right was the day i started hrt. i've been on it a while now and i dont still look like THAT thank god

>>40602943
>i've been on it a while now
thats good happy for u. I was actually in the same situation, but did start at 19. Looked extremely male and like jackie chan at that age already though, but I'm certain i was able to stave off further masculinization
are u german by any chance btw? weird question prolly

>>40602970
no haha i'm from the uk (infinite nhs destruction) and moved to canada