im a bi male virgin fat incel who recently started getting depressed/jealous when hearing some frens taking hrt. now im questioning my own gender and thought about it for 6 hours and cried last night. what do

>>40599469 (OP)
What do you think you should do?

>>40599469 (OP)
take some hrt even if you think youre male. even if youre not trans you'll still get tits which is justification enough. you might find out you'd like being a girl you might not. but you have little to lose from the chemical itself

also
>fat
brainworms will contest this but you may have an advantage

>>40599506
i dont really know. part of me wants to full on troon out, but i would rather kill myself than not pass. The other part of me thinks that this may be a fetish or just me being super lonely or a desperate attempt to get laid. i masturbated and the feelings still persisted, so I dont think its entirely sexual. I know that regardless of my weight i dont think ill ever pass

>>40599469 (OP)
do you get aroused by fantasies of being a woman in a sexual situation?

>>40599560
what if i decide i dont want to be trans and then i hate having tits and want to rope. I do like the idea of having tits and a dick though.

>brainworms will contest this but you may have an advantage
which brainworms anon. i am actually fat and not chub

>>40599592
I do but I cant tell if its because I want to literally be the woman or if im just a bisexual male who wants to bottom. the idea of dressing as the opposite gender and being cute is appealing to me, but I dont know how feasible it is for me

>>40599637
okay, so this is textbook autogynephilia, AGP = a male's propensity to become aroused by the thought of themself as a woman

are you very dysphoric? For AGPs, I don't think transitioning is worth it unless you're severely dysphoric.

here's my guess: you are probably bisexual, attracted 90% female 10% male or maybe 80/20. you have serious internalized homophobia- the idea of being a man with a man disgusts you. you're attracted to men on some level but that attraction is locked behind seeing yourself as a woman in the situation. But you don't watch gay porn and aren't aroused visually by male bodies in the way you are female ones. Am I mostly right?

>>40599692
nah, im definately bisexual, closer to a 50/50 split if anything. ive come to terms with that. i do think that that is a common occurance but it doesnt fit me in this instance. Ive known ive been bisexual for about 10-ish years at this point. Ive had "what if i was the other gender" thoughts before but never this serious

>>40599767
whether you like it or not, what you are experiencing is autogynephilia by definition. that doesn't mean you're inherently invalid or whatevs, my estimation is ~50-60% of trans women today are AGP

a more important question: do you want to be a trans woman or do you want to be female? if you think for sure you'll be happy as a trans woman (objectively, a feminized male) then transition may work out. but if your heart wants to be female you will never be satisfied.

you have to understand that people say trans women are women but the lived experience of a trans woman is nothing like that of a cis woman in the places that matter most (dating & relationships). if you think transitioning will improve your dating prospects, it won't.

how tall are you? do you care about passing?

>>40599601
>and then i hate having tits
could just chop em off at the end of the day

>>40599801
i dont think i would mind being some sort of in between thing or a trans woman or feminine male i dont have the expectation that i would ever fully pass considering how i am. also, transitioning would definately improve them, theres definately some chasers down bad enough to fuck me or at least take me out to dinner. im not sure if i can ever see myself fully "coming out" as a woman and being anal about being referred to as such or not, but maybe thats just the life situation im in since im living with my parents and my current job would kill me. I want to move maybe to the city and then do all this stuff if i can

>>40599840
yeah, i guess thats true.

>>40599469 (OP)
>bi
>trans
you just like being special, trying to collect all the labels in the world are you?

>>40599975
i mean maybe, thats what im not trying to figure out. idk what im doing

>>40599958
fair enough. but dude listen, it's way easier to get sex as a trans woman (there are tons of chasers willing to fuck you) but it's MUCH harder to find a loving, committed relationship. just be aware of this going in.

Most men want an actual women that can have their babies and will not marry you.

Most women are straight, so not into you. And the ones that aren't will always pick a cis person to date.

Your best bet for a loving committed relationship is T4T so if you're fine with that go for it bro. But just be warned, chances of a happy marriage are very low. Far, far lower than if u remained a man and clawed your way out of inceldom

>>40600164
Youre probalby right about that. I think I would like to have the appearance of a trans girl but not identify as one. I dont like the idea of being nb because it seems obnoxious to bother with so i can just be whatever, but honestly cis women can be retarded and I think im too autistic to ever get with one. my only hope is to find my trans gf or find another man i can marry. In the mean time, I refuse to give up my incel status/virginity until im in a loving relationship anyways regardless of the partner. I dunno but i appreciate your advice

>>40600271
continued..
Maybe my best bet is to be a hormoneless femboy and just hope that that satisifies me

>>40599469 (OP)
go agender mode perhaps?

>>40600294
maybe that might be the move..

>>40599767
>I know I’m bisexual
>but I have never let a man fuck me or had a bf
>think im trans but we not after seeing friends do it
>never experimented with gender or presentation yet “want to kms if I don’t pass”

It’s all so tiresome. I’m not saying you’re a trender but I still will never understand how I knew my gender and sexuality by age 10 back in 2006 and yet we get a story like this every fucking day from some male who has never questioned or experimented experiencing sudden late onset gender panic.

>>40600271
this is a doomer mindset. if u believe you'll never get a cis girl then you won't.

regardless, finding a cis woman as an autistic male incel is infinitely easier than finding a loving (cis) partner as a bisexual trans woman.

Whatever you have to do to deal with the dysphoria / AGP. I'm still figuring out how to rep well

>>40600405
go to war with /r/mtf and /r/egg_irl if you don't want this kind of thing to happen. online trans reddit communities are basically cognitohazards for men with AGP

>>40600405
how do people know they are straight without having sex with a woman? I masturbate to men and women, i have had crushes with men and women, i want to at least suck a dick, i have tried anal using toys and have enjoyed it and want to have sex with a man, both topping and bottoming, i may not like bottoming but i at least want to top. I've had thoughts of wishing i was a women breifly over the years but none of them have hit as hard as its hitting me now. I have tried on womens underwear, painted my nails, ive always had longer hair and enjoyed all of those things but don't do them publicly.

>>40600458
my partner as a cis male can be either a cis man, cis woman, or trans woman, so my options are a bit more open then that, but still nobody is interested in me. T4T would at least be easier, my partner wouldnt need to be cis