are there any successful reppers out there? I mean reppers with families and jobs who aren't miserable.

My theory is that online forums self-select for people who have already given into the troon thoughts or people who are failing at repressing (like myself).

But I reject the idea the only response to GD is social/medical transition. It's an internal problem so surely there's an internal solution

>>40606684 (OP)
Im sure but they arent going to be mentioning it

you can be a theyfab in the next life

>>40606715
I would sell my soul to be a theyfab desu. Being male and non binary is just being a man

>>40606684 (OP)
I mean their is definitely a survivorship bias where the successful reppers are the ones who don't spend a bunch of time online talking about their trans thoughts just troon at that point you failed at repping.

Like honestly I think that for most trans people once the thoughts become conscious and you run out of rationalizations it's over. At least for me I went years femboymoding and once I realized I just wanted to be a girl my brain snapped and there was no getting over it and I just mentally spiraled until I came out and went on HRT.

Like I'd compare realizing your trans to contacting a lovecraftian horror. Your view of your self and the world is just inexorably altered. You can not go back you can not redo.

>>40606751
I mean why is being theyfab more valid than theymab especially if you take HRT and such.

>>40606761
see I'm a detroon, so the toothpaste is already out of the tube. I didn't really try to rep before I initially transitioned.

this is why I think /r/egg_irl and such are literal cognitohazards for men with AGP. I'd probably be just a fruity man who crossdressed on the side if I wasn't exposed to the wombyn is when you feel like one bullshit.

>>40606772
It's about dating prospects. I want to date a woman (female). Straight women and "bi" women who are mostly just straight aren't attracted to faggy non binary males on HRT, and homosexual women aren't into dick.

If you're a theyfab you can date cis men (as long as you're fine with them seeing you as a woman) or queer women. The queer community in general is very woman/female-centric.

Also theyfabs can just live as GNC women and nobody cares, but theymabs appear as GNC men and get shit on by everyone for it. if ur a male you're either a man or a troon there's no inbetween if you don't want to be seen as a man

>>40606822
>Cognito hazards
Lol that's why you expose yourself to the cognito hazards early. I definitely fit closer to the psychological profile of someone who would have been an 18-25 agp twinkdeath transitioner. Except I exposed myself to so much anime and emo culture in middle/highschool that I latched onto the femboy thing. And then I basically started HRT so I wouldn't age out of it which led to me transing a.nd become a passoid.

>>40606822
U do seem kind of screwed tho. But like you already have yita from HRT you might as well stay on and HRT manmode imo it's probably only going to get worse

>>40606960
Nah, even being a detroon man I'm way closer to being an actual man than I ever was to being a woman.

I would have preferred to have never been exposed to the cognitohazards. I like to think I wouldn't have John 30/40ed and tried to repress if I'd had a wife and kids.

>>40606684 (OP)
https://boards.4chan.org/lgbt/thread/40586775/

>>40607005
Hmm mayhaps having kids does seem to require some people out of being primarily focused on self interest. Or you might of been caught cross dressing in your wife's clothes who knows?. I'm def glad I unironically groomed myself into trooning with anime it's unironically just kind of funny. And I get to be a girl.

>>40607071
yeah I used to think transitioning made me a girl and that was important to me. but trans women aren't women in the way cis women are. you can live as a "social woman" but you're still a male, and are locked out of the most core experiences women have, mainly dating/marriage as women.

>>40606684 (OP)
>are there any successful reppers out there? I mean reppers with families and jobs
oh sure, plenty
>who aren't miserable
lol
lmao

https://www.avitale.com/essays-details/?name=the-gender-variant-phenomenon--a-developmental-review-5

>>40607101
I'd rather be a mild alcoholic or drug addict than be a troon. The Jesus cope's gonna work

>>40607156
LOL
shut up and take your fucking tranny pills, tranny

>>40607094
I mean your right I suppose on that. I guess for me what was more important was the physical androgyny/femininity and not being socially a man and I got both of those things. But I can see how someone who is more family oriented in their life goals would have a harder time.

>>40606684 (OP)
If they exist, they're not going to be online, especially not on this board on /repgen/ or /femrepgen/. I doubt even detrans Reddit or Twitter is going to have the most successful reppers.
They're probably not thinking about it at all.
I mean I repped, but unsuccessfully, for a few years, but during that time I wasn't on this board or participating in any such spaces. I just tried never to think about it. Not like "Oh, I just thought about transitioning, think about something else!" That's a bad way to avoid thinking about something.

>>40607094
As if dating and marriage are all women do, be fr. Gender dysphoria, a medical condition. You aren't cis, but it's a valid condition. Do your best to be a woman. Why try to invalidate yourself for nothing?

Men get to be men regardless of dating and marriage, so do wonen.

>>40606684 (OP)
Ted K

>>40607248
The fundamental difference between men and women is their reproductive role. The most fundamental difference between being a man and a woman is dating/marriage/sex.

So, yes, dating/marriage a core part of womanhood and manhood. If dating/marriage weren't important to me I might not rep, but they are

>>40607244
trvke

>>40607285
> If dating/marriage weren't important to me I might not rep, but they are

Important to YOU. Anecdote.

People do not see somebody and go, "that's a woman because she's dating or married"

>>40607285
Dating and marriage is certainly going to be very different for a trans woman than for a cis man, even if it's different than how a cis woman experiences those things.
But like the other commenter said, I don't think the womanhood is just dating and marriage, so I don't understand why you wouldn't transition even if that weren't the case.

>>40607350
>>40607364
This is an insane level of coping guys. Dating and marriage is important to MOST people.

I'm not saying dating/marriage is what defines womanhood (what defines it is being female and everything that comes along with that), but you can't deny that the experience of dating, marriage, and maybe having kids is a core experience for most women.

>>40607404
You said the main difference between men and women is reproductive features. That really reduces women to baby machines. You can still have that as a trans woman. Adopt. There are children in need.

Also cis womens' dating and marriage life vary wildly from one another. An attractive trans woman is probably going to have more in common with most cis woman compared to an ugly and infertile cis woman. At least when talking about marriage and dating.

>>40607404
>I'm not saying dating/marriage is what defines womanhood (what defines it is being female and everything that comes along with that), but you can't deny that the experience of dating, marriage, and maybe having kids is a core experience for most women.
I'm definitely not saying it isn't. I hate being in the male role in dating. I wish I could be a mother and probably never will be.
But even if you could never date or marry or have kids, I don't understand why you wouldn't transition. Transitioning involves more than that.

>>40607482
Huge agree. I'm so much happier having transitioned, even if I never have another romantic encounter in my life. Yes, that would be an ideal, but still better than the other way for me.

>>40606684 (OP)
I tried repping and going to therapy for 4 years, I ended up with no mental issues anymore and still a tranny and looking for hrt now, because else I will rope

>>40607476
It doesn't reduce women to "baby machines" to say that being female is the defining feature of womanhood. But gender literally arose because of sex differences. Without sexual dimorphism, gender wouldn't exist.

The accurate view of womanhood is that it's both social AND biological.

You're saying by defining womanhood based on biology, I'm reducing woman to being "baby machines". But by defining womanhood by social roles and presentation, you're reducing womanhood to stereotypes.

And no, an attractive trans woman will never have a dating life comparable to a cis woman. Most men won't date a trans woman or sleep with her even if she passes perfectly.

>>40607482
Dating/marriage and having kids are more important to me than being a trans woman. I didn't think that was the case when I transitioned, but I discovered it was.

>>40607511
It's easy to say this early in transition. We'll see how you feel in 5-10 years if you can't find a long term relationship

>>40607244
>I repped, but unsuccessfully, for a few years

can you explain more abt your repping experiences? how did repping all those years feel and how did you cope? how was dating or sex as a repper?

>>40607574
Men and women can be biologically different, leading to social differences, without making it about reproducing.

You ignored the part about ugly cis women. They are often invisible to men. They often even get a chance, unlike an attractive and passing trans woman.

Dating and marriage important to YOU. Again with the anecdotes.

Just for the record, I AM in along term relationship with a man. A man that wants nothing to do with men mind you.

Even still, in 5 to 10 years, if I want bio kids SO badly that I was willing to detransition.... yea I'll just stop right here. I am roping before I detransition.

Let's see how YOU feel in with 5 to 10 more years of repping. I doubt you'll be feeling very good about life, even with a family.

>>40607699
Dude, the biological differences between men and women center around reproduction. That's what biological sex is.

True, ugly cis women are invisible to men. But guess what? Most ugly cis women eventually find a man and get married and have kids, usually with an ugly man. That is again, an experience a trans woman will never have.

I mean, it sounds like dating and relationships are also important to you. Since you're in one. Is your boyfriend "straight"? Lol. Most men who date trans women are bi GAMPs. Have you checked his search history?

>>40606822
>cognitohazards
you're talking to chatgpt too much noah

>>40607736
>An experience trans women will never have

According to who, you? Some men don't want kids, just fyi. Also, I can value relationships without it being the most important thing in my life.

I've known my boyfriend years before we got together. I know pretty much everything about him. It's not important to me anyway. I don't have to justify myself or my relationship to you.

It sounds like you're the one coping here. You're clearly trans, and denying yourself to try to have something normal. Internalized transphobia and homophobia going crazy. Live authentically or suffer. Up to you.

>>40607809
A transgender woman will never marry a man and bear his children. This is what I mean (unless womb transplants become a thing, but that's almost science fiction).

Being trans isn't immutable. I'm not trans because I see myself as a man and I'm male

>>40607835
do you have gender dysphoria?

>>40607835
Adopt.

If you aren't repping or gay, why are you here????

>>40607848
Diagnosed, yes. I may not meet symptom criteria anymore but I did at one point.

>>40607851
I want bio kids. I am an organism. I want to pass on my genes. Saying "just adopt" isn't a solution.

I'm repping

>>40607851
Anon is clearly a repper despite what they say, and even if they weren't, being attracted to men as a man as gay.

>>40607909
Cis people adopt all the time. Doesn't make they are any less a man or woman.

Good luck with your life.

>>40606684 (OP)
yeah i mean when i was repressing i wasn't calling it that because i was a boy who wanted to be a girl and knew i couldn't. i definitely wouldn't have been talking about it online

>>40607909

>>40607909
what criteria’s do you not meet?

>>40608004
>>40608019
My experienced/expressed gender is that of a man. If I believed in gender ideology I'd probably be bigender desu

I don't have a desire to be rid of my primary or secondary sex characteristics

I do desire to have the other primary or secondary sex characteristics of the other sex, but I want the real thing not a copy

I do want to be of the other gender

I don't care about being treated as a woman anymore, so I don't meet that one

And I definitely don't have a strong conviction I have the typical feelings/reactions of the other gender.

Maybe I meet 2.5/6? So yes, technically I still meet diagnostic criteria. This shows why the diagnostic criteria are flawed.

Y'all present gender dysphoria as one thing, but these symptoms can be caused by a whole litany of psychosocial factors.

>>40606684 (OP)
What do you mean by "successful"? I have never trooned out, I will never transition. If that's not success, I don't know what is.

>>40608111
Family, job, not miserable as a repper. That's my definition of success.

I'm certain I can get a family and a job, but I'm not sure I'll be not miserable.

>>40608111
are you happy? how do you cope?

>>40607649
Sorry for the late reply.
I just didn't have relationships or sex. I wasn't interested. Never was super interested in those things.
I slowly stopped taking care ofmy appearance. I actually used to do a lot of feminine things and take care of my appearance as a teenager, but I looked a lot more feminine or at least androgynous then. When I did look in the mirror it was with my glasses off. So my skin was getting worse without me actually realizing it.
It affected me negatively, I guess.
What prompted me to transition was me taking a good look at myself in the mirror and noticing how much of a man I had started to resemble. I wanted to kill myself. I was actually contemplating methods (the train, the rope, etc.)

>>40608191
>how do you cope?

Games, books, music, working out, eating delicious food, watching TV, meditating. Pornography and alcohol are harmful, but I also used them for a long time. I'm not happy, but that's mainly due to other factors that don't involve trooning. The older I get, the easier repression becomes. I was only able to have these kinds of fantasies when I was still young and my body wasn't completely ruined by testosterone. Today I only have resentment, not exactly dysphoria. And every time I imagine this possibility I laugh and it doesn't even last 10 seconds in my head. Even if it was my original will, we cannot change what we have become.

>>40608283
Samefag:
The way I'm talking about sounds like I was actively repressing from the way I described it, but I wasn't.
I had actively convinced myself of some ideas, like that I had become fine with being a man, I was cis, that the questioning period of my life was over, etc. So I really didn't think about it. These were just automatic coping mechanisms.
But I was just lowkey depressed most of the time.

>>40606684 (OP)
i was on the road to successfully repping but life threw too many curveballs. >>40608318
>>40608303
>>40608283
grim

>>40606960
I don't think you realize that AGP cognitohazards are a relatively new thing. The only cognitohazards that existed when I was in middle school was Jerry Springer and Ace Ventura. There was literally no such thing as femboy culture or even common knowledge of HRT at that time. The only people who transitioned then were super dysphoric HSTS ones.

>>40609939
I see. Yeah for me it was like I really got into this stuff in like 2012ish. Mostly from manga and emo stuff I saw. And anime traps, gender bend scenes etc just set me on the path to awakening as a trainer far sooner. Tho desu I was also still part HSTS lots of fem body language because I'd choose to mimic women's posture even as a little kid. And like low key I felt gender euphoria like in elementary school just from the time a teacher accidentally called me a girl or like that one girls hoodie I had. And also even before I was very into anime I'd make my Lego minifigs get force femmed by the villains as like a recurring plot.

>>40606684 (OP)
>are there any successful reppers out there? I mean reppers with families and jobs who aren't miserable.
They're probably in the military. If you enlist for a couple of years and see actual action you'll either kill yourself with the easy access to firearms, or you'll come back to civilian life glad you still have your limbs attached.
You might develop PTSD but at least that's way more acceptable in the world than trannyism.

>It's an internal problem so surely there's an internal solution
Agreed. Reading about taoism or similar philosophies might help.

>>40610008
At this point I would join the military, but I'm disqualified due to my history of gender dysphoria and another mental health diagnosis.

>>40609939
>>40610000
There's a shit ton of troon propaganda these days.

i've always known i have mild gender dysphoria, it sucks but the cons of transitioning outweigh the pros and i can imagine myself having a happy life even though i 100% won't transition

i wish there was a sunday support group for reppers tho, frankly i think we could use it more than the troons.

>>40606684 (OP)
the mental fortitude required to successfully rep until death is almost impossible to achieve. and I'm certain no one on this board has that fortitude. people drastically underestimate how hard it will be, and it gets exponentially harder as each year passes.
it is like psychological torture, and even if you somehow are one of the very, very few people who has that fortitude, it still will eat away at your mind until you're a shell of your former self, so the prize you get for repping is the destruction of your psyche. not worth it

>>40612328
>it still will eat away at your mind until you're a shell of your former self,

okay.. fuck you anon

>>40612328
> successfully rep until death
> no one on this board has that fortitude
watch me
unless you're talking about dying of natural causes, which true

>>40607244
how can you not think about it when you have to look at women

>>40606822
Speaking from what experience btw, like how many people have you dated?
I would say a theymab is def a harder path but it can work if you're fit and otherwise good looking. Youre not wrong tho that cis women and MANY trannies will expect you to be the man in a relationship with very little leeway. I honestly think that trannies are worse in this sense because they tend to be insecure / wanna be affirmed by a stereotypical girlfriend role

>>40607809
>Live authentically or suffer. Up to you.
TRVKE

>>40612328
transition is repression when dysphoria is framed as an internal problem and transition is framed as an external solution

>>40613386
I mean I kind of did fixate on it. My wide shoulders and rib cage and facial hair and deep voice compared to them not having those things. I just tried not to dwell on it. I think knowing you're trans and taking steps to transition makes it harder to not dwell on it. Because I wasn't thinking of transition even as an option, or going on repgen or whatever, because I wasn't thinking of myself as a repper.
Plus it helped that I didn't interact with many people to begin with, just going to class and going right back to my dorm on campus, or maybe to the library on campus.

>>40606684 (OP)
The solution is to have things you care about other than seggs, and focus on them. Even better if those things you care about are correlated one way or another with you staying in harmony with your biological sex.

>>40606684 (OP)
a succesful repper would have purged hid world of tranny thoughts. I believe these people exist however it's not something we can prove easily. The pinkpillers will only say "notrutranny" because they cant allow any alternativem

>>40612328
>fortitude
your mistake is thinking that failing repression is the same thing as succesful repression. Succesful repression requires little fortitude if any. The desire simply vanishes when you make the right moves and properly orient yourself within your cis role.

>>40615779
it's not just about transition it's also the things they have and do like the subtle ways they style their hair and groom their face or something nice about their clothing even something like a feature that you wished your clothes had but they only come in female clothes lol idk it starts a whole chain reaction because you always thought these things even without knowing anything about repping or trooning

>>40615882
The problem is that what your confronted with trans people irl and those thoughts come rushing back. Maybe you could move away from the city so thats less likely

>>40616057
I know what you're talking about. What I'm saying is that when you don't see ever being the other gender as an option, suppressing that is easier. For me it was, at least.
I've dwelt on all the things before. I had a whole list written of stuff I used to do but that's just diaryposting I think. But I didn't know I even could be trans til I was like 18. I didn't know what those feelings were (until realizing I could possibly be trans) but by the time I had started repressing I had dealt with it my entire life.

>>40616337
Like a lot of it was vaguely just wanting every single feminine feature and wishing I could have girl-girl friendships and sometimes imagining myself as a girl but without knowing I really wanted to be a girl. Kind of weird but that's how it was. Like I said, I used to do a bunch of things to make myself more feminine but that was kind of futile as my body got more masculine.

>>40616337
what did you have written?

>>40606684 (OP)
I'm a failure at trooning which makes me a successful as a repper
Every few months I have a breakdown and almost get on HRT and then I pussy out

>>40616222
That means the cis identity is too fragile to be a succesful repression. A tranny is just another person.

>>40616617
person or prison?

>>40616337
yeah but theres still something lurking in the shadows making you do creepy things