It just doesn't do what its name implies. People act like it's a rite of passage and that it's impossible not to pass face-wise after ffs. And you aren't even allowed to complain because the autistic fags will accuse you of lying or having bdd. FFS doesn't work simply because it can't undo the development of your face. FFS just scratches the surface, but it doesn't bring the entire face into female range.

do you think people are confusing shape with size?
if people posted their skulls here would you tell us EXACTLY which features were in male range?

>>40611202 (OP)
>the autistic fags will accuse you of lying or having bdd
then post your face and prove it

>>40611202 (OP)
who did you go to and has it been at least 6 months yet
>you can tell a month in!!!!
shut up no you cant you lucky fuck

>>40611218
photos are pretty useless because a lot of people can pass in photos but not in 3d

>>40611202 (OP)
it's absolutely not a scam it saved my life i'm sorry if u went to a bad surgeon and maybe some faces r unsalvageable but ffs from a good surgeon would probably help everyone

I think getting type 3 forehead reconstruction works as facial feminisation surgery since it definitely makes your face more feminine
I'm really struggling to decide whether I should get FFS or not
I don't think there's any way I could pass with FFS but at the same time I feel like it'd make me less dysphoric

>>40611218
most trannies mtf or ftm aren't sizepilled, if they were they'd realize how little they pass
we should sizepill normie trannies so they freak out and start pushing for better surgeries/care. half of what holds trans people back is other trans people who are convinced we can just "undo the damage" post puberty and if you can't then fuck you

I think it works if you tell the surgeon to be creative and make an entire new you that looks nothing like the old you.

>>40611202 (OP)
just dont get ffs?

>>40611202 (OP)
Bait af, ffs did wonders for me

>>40611202 (OP)
I don't think its a misnomer, but it's not called 'passing face surgery' and it doesn't do that.

>>40611766
the best part of ffs being when my face was swollen and rounder is huge bait and I have slight lasting mental issues from not really recognizing my own face even 5 years later but overall its a pretty good thing

>>40611825
Oof you had to do the hairline incision? Damn that sucks I'm so lucky mine is hidden by my hair

>>40611842
yes, i'm not particularly happy with my hairline. it's not really visible as long as i don't part my hair in the center or have a tight bun in direct light but its ugly and i'd get transplants if i had the money.

>>40611218
i can do that

>>40611256
no, in most cases, it's not the surgeon's fault. You need to win the genetic lottery for ffs to work on you. if what makes your face masculine is fixable by ffs, then you're very lucky. if what makes your face masculine is NOT fixable by ffs, you're fucked. 99% of trannies belong to the second category. it's also very likely that you do look better than before, but you don't nearly pass as much as you think because trannies vastly overestimate their passability

>>40611314
>>40611314
getting type 3 forehead reconstruction only fixes 1 thing. What about the thousands of other things that make a face read male? This is what you guys are missing.

>>40611347
plenty of small trannies don't pass. they might pass in a crowd but not up close. my cis friends clock asian trannies in a split second, you know, the short ones with midget proportions. yet these dwarf trannies believe they pass simply because they are short. by the same token, i've seen trans men over 6 feet tall who did not pass at all, they just looked like lesbians. of course, size helps, but it's only one of the many ingredients. you are right that trannies are delusional and are convinced you can just undo the damage

>>40611825
the trannies always doing the VICTORY sign, that's so dumb. ANd throwing their shoulder blades back

>>40611202 (OP)
Ffs is a punishment for richhons not something that actually works

>>40612636
ok i’ll tell 2020 me that

Ffs is imo most important trans surgery.

Sure, sometimes its done poorly, some ask to look same as before, and others have untealistic expectations.

Lets make this shit thread constructive by actually mentioning which facial characteristics are unsalvageable, male looking and impossible to feminize. OP starts.

>>40612836
jaw is the only feature that's genuinely unfixable and what determines if someone is a luckshit or not. successful transition is impossible with a strong properly developed male jaw

>>40612868
can confirm. 5 years post ffs from facial team, started hrt at 15 and otherwise look pretty good but fuck my jaw is bad

>>40612868
hahahahahhahahahahhahahah you've gotta be kidding right hahaha i start at 16 and do everything right and it was all about my worst feature the whole time? hahahahahhahahahahah

>>40612868
i kinda disagree here, imo jaw can usually be fixed but surgeons always aim for a shitty looking v line instead of a well done sharper jaw. tbqh if you have a flat forehead, a reasonable nose, reasonable midface, and properly contoured jaw you're good. FFS can resolve all of these relatively easily (except midface, that one looks crazy)

>>40612971
i literally have a huge jaw and a homo erectus brow how tf do i not get misgendered is everyone just afraid of me genuinely

philipino trannies do not pass they are roaches

>>40612836
even when ffs is executed perfectly, it cannot undo the damage of the male curse. It's not always the surgeon's fault. The entire face develops three-dimensionally. Even things like the eye sockets are different, the way the eyes are encased in the sockets, the height of the jaw, all things you cannot change and will definitely be perceptible

>>40612971
there's no way to actually reduce jaw width

>>40612868
the braincase, the head even more than the jaw because it's just different. Even when they do type 3 reconstruction, the shape of the head is just different, the way it's shaped in the back, in the front, the side

>>40612971
this is why people shouldn't be allowed to post stupid shit. You have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. FFS only reshapes the corners of the jaw (gonial angles) and the chin. FFS cannot change the ramus and the body of the jaw. You truly have no idea what you're talking about

>>40613013
sounds retarded but
>face framing wavy layers
>no tranny bangs unless your hairline is completely untouched
>get your eyebrows threaded
>mascara
>liquid concealer 1 shade lighter than your skin tone on the undereyes, eyelids, and down the front of your nose. leave it for a few minutes, blend
>overline/underline lips a little with a lip pencil, fill in with matching lipstick
>use a primer
>use light foundation
>concealer, then foundation, then set, then lips/mascara etc.
>shave against the grain every morning
>foaming cleanser, then glycolic acid, then vitamin c serum, then moisturize every morning
>foaming cleanser, then glycolic acid, then retinol, then moisturize every night
>no shitty hair dye. either maintain it or get it dyed back to your natural color and avoid unnatural colors unless they really look good on you

seriously try it out an tweak as needed but you'd be surprised

>>40613055
>ffs cannot change ...
is this not what V-line surgery is?

>>40613079
oh sorry i was asking for an explanation not advice. though i will consider some of this advice

>>40612868
real but i think my forehead and hairline were unfixable

>>40613150
sorry autism kicked in
will say its lifechanging when you realize finn made an entire career off of brows, light makeup, and mascara lmao. plus worst case you end up as a makeup twink which is basically woman-lite in society (or at least better than hon)

>>40613169
im already perceived as a woman (i get misgendered like once every couple years) im just perplexed because i have a huge jaw and a tiny sloping forehead and massive orbitals and don't pass to myself and don't even really try

>>40611202 (OP)
i am surprised no one fucking talking about it actually and it's true for approx 80 percent of tranoids!!! if you do not malefail most of the time d'aile before ffs, then you are mostly certainly cooked and there is so little chance that ffs will change it somehow

the surgeons are not magicians.... and the mere thing they can do is to *slightly* adjust your face. they absolutely can't change the proportions

you have to be conventionally pretty for ffs to work.

>>40613205
are you me?

>>40613224
probably not

>>40613234
fair enough, sorry for sperging its late lmao

>>40612614
this is a psyop ur insane

>>40613237
no you didn't do anything wrong!!

>>40611825
Lol I went to look at my 2020 FFS pics when I was still swollen I looked cis af
But ngl I prefer some androgyny and angles in my face cuz my goals have always been more sexy bishounen vampire (Alucard) than cissie lmao

>>40612605
can we get some trans women to post their skulls to be rated by skullchan for a good old fashioned skullchan thread?