im a cis lesbian, im friends with trans people and always respect their pronouns and everything. but i cant see myself being attracted to a trans woman, does this make me a transphobe? i just see it as preference but i dont know

yes

>>40616349 (OP)
No, it’s just a preference

It makes trannies sad for obvious reasons so if you want to be nice just dont tell someone thats why you’re turning them down. Unless she’s a pestering freak then let loose

I wouldn't date a nigger or spic

>>40616371
aw man why

>>40616349 (OP)
No but you are stupid and easily manipulated because you use the pronouns

>>40616374
yeah thought so and of course id never say that reasoning to her

>>40616349 (OP)
not at all, you have all rights to have a sexual preference

>>40616397
what do you mean? are you against using trans peoples pronouns

>>40616349 (OP)
I don’t rlly care and u prob shouldn’t either but can u give me ur honest opinion of how well I pass
Don’t hold back I’m not expecting high marks
My chest is too wide isn’t it
I have no waist

>>40616413
okay thank you
for people who go against this i dont understand how we could fix this, i cant change attraction

>>40616416
You are literally harming women by catering to men's feelings? Ask any prominent feminist.

>>40616425
you pass relatively well, idk if youre looking for tips so sorry if this is rude
id recommend wearing push up bras (bigger chest alludes to a skinnier waist) and cis women can also have wider waists. youre hairstyles cute.

>>40616349 (OP)
BAIT USED TO BE GOOD

>>40616432
I don’t like niggers

>>40616457
Ohhh idk much about it but youre a Terf right? ive been looking into it a bit but dont know much still

>>40616463
??? how is this bait im being real

>>40616425
I'm not op but this is literally just a picture of a woman so stop with the wide chest bullshit, go out and enjoy life !

>>40616458
hm ya maybe I should give those a try
Why are bras so effing expensive tho it’s bs

>>40616425
fuck you marie, gtfo

>>40616485
Because it’s funny you ask that on 4chan of all places while larping as a normie cis lesbian with such an idiotic question.

>>40616495
aghhh i know right, desu i only wear sports bras

>>40616472
Terf or gender critical works. There is a lot to read about but if you hang out with TIMs you will probably peak sooner or later. Just be careful those men can be very pushy and predatory. If you can do it safely I suggest being honest about your preference when turning them down, and see how they react.

>>40616504
why cant i ask here? plus im not larping? if its so idiotic whats the answer then because ive gotten mixed replies lmao

>>40616513
whats TIMS stand for? and ive never had anyone push at me or anything dw

>>40616517
What kind of moron asks a board full of self hating trannies, literal transphobes, and /pol/ tourists a “genuine” question? Do you even talk to any LGBT people in your life?

>>40616533
trans identified man or a natal male with a trans identity or mtf as they call themselves

TIF is for trans identified females

>>40616542
i dont understand whats wrong with asking a lgbtq related question in the lgbtq board...? and yes i do multiple

>>40616487
>picture of a woman
Incorrect!

>>40616404
personally id prefer if you did honestly
if its out of my control then i dont care as much tbqhfam

>>40616564
It’s the obvious fact that you’re posting this bait to screenshot and post on other sites. Like, no one finds this board on accident, especially not now that it’s dying. You clearly don’t know any trans people irl or any LGBT people for that matter. This question is only ever posted in bad faith. The fact that self hating trannies reply to you is pathetic on their part. Such a shitty board, goddd.

>>40616349 (OP)
would you go into any other community and ask them this? blacks, the disabled, autists? literally anyone...
>hey guys, i just wanted to tell you i don't find you attractive at all
>now please reassure me that i'm not racist/ableist/etc ;(
like, how tone deaf and entitled can you be? i don't like transbians but fuck off with this bullshit.
go get hugboxed by your cis les friends instead. why try to make it trannies' responsibility to resolve YOUR hangups?
>>40616432
attraction changes all the time though, don't be obtuse. the fact is you don't want to try to find out the reason you're not into trannies
maybe it's just cause you're not attracted to them. that's fair. but you have no interest in asking the question in the first place.
>>40616564
you know that this board hates themselves. you know if you asked this on reddit or twitter you'd get WAY more people calling you transphobic.
you came here for a sanction, for people to say to you "you're totally right, honey, just keep doing you!"

>>40616349 (OP)
you are probably underestimating the range of variation within trans women and there are probably some you would be attracted to.
that said it doesn't matter. you don't have to give anyone a justification for why you're not attracted to them. most lesbians do not ever date a trans woman and that's not even because they're actively avoiding it. trying to force yourself to date someone you're not attracted to would be harmful to both you and them.

>>40616601
??? what im so confused why would i do that. and no im here on purpose because im lesbian? i know multiple queer people lmao. and im being genuine, ive gotten mixed results and still dont know. i understand theres lots of transphobia on here but why jump to such far conclusions?? im being genuine

>>40616622
christ i was just curious are you okay. what would my reason be
my attraction can change over time then? im open to trying

>>40616636
Because you didn’t find this board on accident. You know exactly what you’re doing by posting it here. The question is idiotic to begin with, and it’s rightfully called out for the bait it is on other sites.

>>40616635
true!! didnt think of that

>>40616472
the terf viewpoint, assuming the terf is a feminist (somehow I have seen several times women calling themselves terfs and later saying they're not feminists) is that trans women only transition for fetishistic reasons and are inherently misogynistic by committing "womanface" when trying to appear female. Or that we do it to try and prey on lesbians, or if attracted to men that we transition out of some relation to homophobia
Naturally this precludes acknowledging gender dysphoria so they usually come up with a variety of different reasons why trans men transition, usually related to misogyny and assigning them a lack of agency, saying they're too stupid/traumatized to know better than to go on T

Of course there's variance in this but I would say this is the pretty common belief among leftist/feminist types who form communities around being anti-trans. They're usually not willing to engage with anything or anyone that deviates from their prebaked perception of us, so it's pretty useless trying to have an actual discussion with them if you're a trans woman or trans man. They still lurk our board to discharge some verbal vitriol when they have a chance though.

>>40616671
i never said i did??? i said i came here on purpose tf and my bad for asking a bad question then

>>40616349 (OP)
Would you be ok with a passing post srs trans womanm

>>40616636
What if I put my pic next to how I used to look would u still say I pass? Can u spot the flaws better now? Look closely

>>40616622
You explain it perfectly but it’s a troll. Like I keep mentioning, people don’t find this board on accident. No well-meaning lesbian is going to post this question HERE of all places for a genuine response. Others need to stop pretending these shitty troll posts are legit.

>>40616636
fyi this conejo person picking a fight with you is friends with pedophiles and rapists. She calls herself a lesbian, but everyone here knows she is bi.

>>40616692
You did not find this board on accident. Everyone who posts here knows exactly what kind of board it is. It’s 4chan. Even normies know what kind of website 4chan is. You’d have to be pretty fucking stupid to ask a serious question like this and expect a genuine response on this entire website. Don’t be daft.

>>40616704
you’re just proving her right

>>40616704
TERFs talk about women who disagree with them the same way men do lmao

>>40616636
>>40616690
also I'm going to self reply for a second and say no, you are not transphobic nor obligated to be attracted to trans women, and I'm saying this as a trans woman if that gives my response anymore weight. It is what it is and the heart wants what it wants, people trying to make comparisons to not dating certain races are being disingenuous to try and make you feel bad (especially since racist people will still have sex with people they view as lesser because of their race, they just won't be public about it or date them, so it's a pretty flimsy analogy)

Like sex and attraction are very intimate things, you're supposed to be comfortable not thinking "oh jeez I'm not really into a lot of the features this person has but I guess I'll put up with it so I'm not a bigot". Of course it's a sensitive subject for us but the responsible attitude is still to tell people that you're not obligated to be attracted to anyone and to tell people who try and guilt others about attraction to knock it off.

>>40616747
OP deserves to know who she is talking to and why they freaked out over a simple question

>>40616809
lmao u rly do talk like a man

>>40616349 (OP)
I'm straight and trans and I wouldn't date a trans man dw it's all good

>>40616789
You don’t have to self-flagellate like this, especially since this is the sort of response trolls like OP bait for. The anon never said it’s the same as racial preferences. She said it’s like walking into a room full of black people and asking “is it okay if I don’t find any black peoples attractive? :(“ Like???

No sane person is going to shame someone for not wanting to fuck or date a tranny. I’m a cis lesbian. I’ve literally never had anyone discuss trans people like this in public because that’s fucking weird, dehumanizing and terminally online behavior.

>>40616819
and you are really sexist if you believe that!>>40616809

>>40616789
the steelman of the "not being attracted to trans people is transphobic" view is that something Odd is definitely happening if you lose attraction to someone after finding out that they're trans
like obviously a lot of people are not going to want to fuck hons, and a lot of people who think they aren't attracted to trans people will change their minds once they meet early transitioners, but some portion of people are just repulsed by the thought that someone is trans. if that's not transphobia i don't know what to call it.

>>40616865
Yeah and people don’t always know someone has a dick or was born with one if they aren’t clocky. So to pretend you always know whether someone is trans is stupid. You can absolutely lose interest upon finding out the state of their genitalia, but acting as if you’ve never seen an attractive trans person is absurd. You have no way of knowing 100% for sure.

But OP knows that because they’re a troll looking for things to screenshot on some terf/transphobe site. :’)

>>40616825
maybe so, and maybe I'm just jaded but I really don't feel bothered by people saying stuff like this. OP has stopped posting so maybe they did get their screencap and leave
>>40616865
some truth to this, though usually I find rather than people just going "ugh uh nevermind" they get borderline violent or just outright assaulting you, realizing they were attracted to a trans person triggers some deep anger

>>40617004
>though usually I find rather than people just going "ugh uh nevermind" they get borderline violent or just outright assaulting you
yeah this is unfortunately common and i didn't intend to downplay it, though i can see now it came out looking that way.

>>40616836
>sexist
I’m not the one calling lesbians bisexual pedo apologists
Do u ever get tired of being the worst kind of person

>>40617219
I get tired of sexist gender identity nonsense like what are you even talking about

>>40616349 (OP)
idk wouldn't you be attracted to a trans woman if she passed or something? anyway who cares this is a LARP

>>40616349 (OP)
you're allowed to have any sort of preference you want
sex pest debatelords will try to convince people otherwise but they dont have sex anyway

>>40617286
You are calling a lesbian woman in this thread a bisexual pedo apologist because she disagrees with you. And you claim to represent the interests of women. A little self awareness goes a long way hon

>>40617375
>hon
ooh that's gonna hurt some trannies feelings you should be careful with offensive language like that

>>40617462
Seriously? Is that the best u got? sigh

>>40617298
the problem is I made a whole ass thread to help you guys pass and someone said you don't need to have the look of a cis woman to be seen as a woman. There is no other woman to be seen as, you cannot just semi-pass and think that is it. Society is harsh you guys, and to comfort, you need to take advice from people who will actually help. Being defensive is childish I feel, I can't tell if you guys are just transitioning because I'm goofing, because of boredom, etc etc or actually because of gender dysphoria. It's just frustrating, and making people like you whether you pass or not is really reflective on the type of person some of you guys are as trans people.

im not saying cis women that are transphobic are good people; no, this is really bad, but this niche website has a big problem with mtgs being so defensive to people who just want to understand what they need to pass and such.

>>40617530
Do I pass

>>40617375
>criticising a lesbian ever
oh god, oh the humanity
>>40617530
no one cares and no one here needs you to be their saviour, okay bud?
it has nothing to do with you so just go back to your little irl circle where trannies worship the ground you walk on. it sounds like you're used to that treatment.

>>40617502
why are you talking like a corny anime villain

>>40617567
Ur not very good at this…

>>40617558
you're perfect :)
>>40617565
I'm sorry but the attitude is just so rude. i just wanted to give a new perspective. ill stop replying to you ill leave you alone even

>>40617615
I thought u were giving advice…

>>40617576
at what pray tell?

>>40617653
you didn't want it, and you are just fishing for a argument

>>40617667
Wha D:
I just wanted passing advice I’m not here to argue with ppl

>>40617678
;p

>>40616349 (OP)
Who cares about being transphobic. That label used to greatly bother me bc I’m not a hateful person. We just have preferences, and it’s okay to have different preferences. Now I wear the transphobe label as a badge of honor. I’m not gonna change bc someone else has insecurities

>>40616898
hi op here!! i didnt respond due to being at work, im not uploading this for a terf site

>>40617298
not a larp and possibly? ive concluded i just havent seen enough transwomen

>>40616704
wait seriously? these arent just allegations for disagreeing with them right?

>>40616349 (OP)
i don't think it's transphobic to have preferences. if someone strongly protested dating a post-op passoid who they would be attracted to if she were cis, i might start to think it's more based in neuroticism than preference though. but ultimately anyone has the right to not date anyone y'know

>>40616349 (OP)
You might be. If you started talking to a woman you had a crush on and thought was beautiful and then you found out she was trans would you stop being interested in her? why? what is the source of the preference? do you believe something negative about trans people?

>>40617863
she runs the transbian discord. It's a given that it is full of both like that lulu person

>>40617994
ive never has that happen before but i dont think i would no, i just dont think ive seen enough transwomen?

>>40618018
transbian is just trans lesbian right

>>40618099
straight or bisexual man with a lesbian fetish