Thread 40637933

My post got removed on my GC forum and was dismissed on /pol/ so I'm posting here as a last resort. It seems that they think my post is a concern troll, but it's a cry for help. It's 4chan after all and I know there are some sensible people here. It's worth a shot.

Maybe we didn't realize how pervasive gender is in real life. Maybe "we can always tell" was but a comforting cope we told ourselves.

Because it wasn't like how online critical spaces said it was. This gender roleplay goes back decades. These people are so fully invested in their gender that we perhaps may not always be able to tell. Too far gone.

My sister took the plunge 20 years ago. If you didn't know this, you'd genuinely never be able to tell that she is a woman (TIF). She moved west in 2007 so I didn't get to see this mutilation happening in real time. Fast forward and she comes down for a vacation and wants to visit the family. My dad urges me to go fishing with her (whom he calls "him") because she doesn't return often. Is that so unreasonable? Then there's a social expectation that she should engage with my sons at the very least. They're her nephews after all.

Now, at this point, what can you do? If anything, you might even hope that everyone plays along with her gender identity so that your impressionable young boys don't get any ideas. Am I better off just pretending? She never brings up her transition herself. It is really difficult to spin a narrative about her being bad, incompetent or one to avoid in general. Can I have that talk with my sons? Can I convince them that she's their aunt? Can I convince them that she made a mistake by "turning into a man" when she's the spitting image of a perfect man?

The sad reality is that we who're critical of gender ideology don't yet fathom the immense social pressures of gender ideology. Inescapable. My only option is to cut her out and I don't know if I can do it when my own father is pressuring me to meet with her. I'm at wit's end.

your brother deserves better

>you'll regret this!!!
>20 years pass...
>you're just too invested

Lol

>>40637970
She has the world. What more is she entitled to?

>>40637974
She has several decades of her life left to regret. It won't hold up in her 60s, 70s, 80s...

>>40637993
Is that a fact.
Well anyway yes you came across something in the OP that was noticed by some fringier gender theorists, like gender accelerationists. Which is freaking out so harshly about trans people does increase our visibility which leads to more people transitioning.

This was really difficult to parse because you've been living in your head too long and are expecting everyone to understand your personal views without doing any work to help them along, but here's my attempt at translating, I'll try to respect your views of your sibling's gender while keeping it understandable to anyone regardless of their views:

>My estranged sibling (assigned gender "female" at birth) transitioned and is living as a male since 20 years ago, and fully passes as such. I haven't seen my sibling in a long time. For purposes of this greentext we shall call this person ALYXX because it's simpler in several ways
>ALYXX is coming for a visit and my dad suggested we go fishing together as a family. I expect that ALYXX will therefore meet my sons. I am uncomfortable with this prospect.
>Should I tell my sons in advance that I think ALYXX is mentally ill and will try to trans them? Should I try to impose my views on them so they can't come to their own conclusions on their own? I am angry at ALYXX for transing, and I feel very alone in this matter.
>The alternative is to refuse to meet ALYXX, and my dad won't like that. What should I do? Here's a word salad about politics that you can ignore.

>>40637980
a sibling who loves him

>>40637933 (OP)
how did he make a mistake

>>40637933 (OP)
I bet the only part that hurts your brother about his transition is his sister acting like he's an abomination instead of a person. You should feel ashamed to be honest.

>>40637933 (OP)
Kek you are a concern troll. Stop thinking about your brother's genitals.

>>40638008
My point is that this case is too far gone and perhaps the best we could hope for is that everyone calls her "he" so that young impressionable people aren't misled. First of all, her trans-identification does not reflect the majority of trans-identified experiences.
>>40638009
This post was unnecessary.
>>40638012
She has 4 other siblings besides me. She'll be fine in that department. No one is entitled to a single individual's attention and affirmation.

>>40637933 (OP)
He won

>>40638049
> No one is entitled to a single individual's attention and affirmation.
ok fine cut him out. your kids will be confused and eventually learn that you cut him out and everyone else is chill. im sure that will reflect great on you.

>>40638009
This post was very necessary, thanks for the summary.

>>40638024
She can never be a man. She might look like a handsome man, but that isn't who she is on the inside, and exogenous hormones won't keep her intact forever. She will have decades of memories to regret in her twilight years, years of what-ifs.
>>40638028
I don't understand how you could think this is a concern troll once it has travelled here of all places.

>>40638064
Do you think people don't concern troll on this board? That's like 30% of the posts here

>>40638049
Anon’s post was necessary, because you don’t know how to communicate effectively anymore, because you’ve spent too long in echo chambers and no longer speak everyone else’s language.

>>40638057
Don't you see the insidiousness of it all? Compelled speech & compelled thought not by way of physical or financial force, but immense, insurmountable social pressures. The loss of my family and friends and community.

>>40638064
>She might look like a handsome man
Are you crushing on your sibling? lmao.

>>40638078
You don't owe your pooner brother acceptance
Your family and friends and community don't owe your chud self acceptance
Go back to your echo chamber this one is mine

>>40638078
> i cant stop myself from being a dick
> nobody wants to hang out with me :(
womp womp. maybe ask your dad for pointer on how he accepted his son

>>40638053
She lost years of her life to transition. Life expectancy for people consuming exogenous hormones drops. She lost so much.
>>40638063
>>40638075
What isn't to understand about my original post?
>>40638071
A concern troll in this context would be posing as a pro-gender individual, not gender critical.
>>40638087
My actual brothers are handsome too. My father is handsome. My sons are handsome. We can say that about family.

>>40638107
>My actual brothers are handsome too. My father is handsome. My sons are handsome.
What the fuck.

>>40638078
>nobody wants to have anything to do with me
>its the fault of anyone past me

>>40638049
I dunno what do you want us to say on the tranny board? I feel like this is just bait because outright /pol/ posting gets ignored or ridiculed. Yeah he's a man, he looks like a man, lives like a man, is seen as a man by everyone he interacts with. That is the goal. That is what all trans people want. The person who is making things difficult, who is demanding everyone has to see things in a way that makes no sense, who makes talking about gender their entire personality, is you and always has been you.

>>40638107
Hehe if this is real i am happy from your misery. Dawg got lineham'd.

>>40638078
This is just a regular social pressure, and is neither immense nor insurmountable. It is uncomfortable for you, and idealistically issues prevent you from being pragmatic and going along with it, but you don’t have any reasonable way to explain this to your children. You could just say what you said in this post to them, but it’s not that compelling really

>>40638107
Your post was also difficult to understand yes, anons post was useful

>>40638095
This is a woman who is only just very invested in a man roleplay. I accept these facts. She doesn't accept that she is a woman and my family doesn't accept that she is a woman.
>>40638099
>>40638118
I've never been a dick about it.
>>40638114
This is an objective evaluation. Mothers call their sons handsome all the time and this has no romantic or sexual connotation.

>>40638107
It sounds like you're gay and coping by hating your tranny brother

>>40637933 (OP)
Go fishing maybe he will do you a favour and gouges out your eyes with fishing hooks for being a fucking cunt.

>>40638136
> I've never been a dick about
how do you refer to him when speaking to him or with your family?

>>40638136
>This is an objective evaluation. Mothers call their sons handsome all the time and this has no romantic or sexual connotation.
Yes it does
It's called emotional incest

>compelled thought not by way of physical or financial force, but immense, insurmountable social pressures. The loss of my family and friends and community.
Never realized before this thread how similar the "gender critical" people sounded to the sovereign citizen people

>>40638123
I've watched this forum for myself and I know there are gender critical feminists and GC-aligned allies here. And as far as I can tell, this subforum has been minutely more engaging than /pol/.
>>40638127
Think about what everyone else lost, too. My father. My brothers and sister. My nephews lost their aunt before they were even born. Who else has to lose someone?
>>40638130
Pragmatism concerns reality and the reality is that she is a woman in the flesh. Transition is the gender-afflicted's culmination of their idealism. A delusion forced onto reality.
>>40638135
What was hard to understand about it?
>>40638142
I gave birth to three children. I'm not gay and that isn't even consistent with the earlier insinuation that I was sexually attracted to male relatives (also not true).

>>40638200
Right? She comes across like one of those 'targeted individual' schizos from /x/.

>>40638179
That's not what emotional incest means anon lol

>>40637933 (OP)
>I'm a transphobic retard and won't accept my brother because of my political commitment to remaining such
The only ways out for you are the noose and surrendering to the reality of your brother's existence. I'd advise you to choose the second.

>>40638203
>Transition is the gender-afflicted's culmination of their idealism.
OP's brother a confirmed Nietzschean ubermensch.

>>40638203
Pragmatism does not concern absolute reality, that’s its defining feature, it aspires to achieve the most acceptable outcome given the circumstances without getting bent out of shape about how unfair they are. Ranting about objective reality is not pragmatic
>Whats hard to understand about it?
It’s long, contains not that much information spread randomly throughout the text, and doesn’t include key details and relies on inferences on the readers part. If four people telling you this does not convince you, you’re too stubborn to get anything out of this thread

>>40638064
it apparently is who he is on the inside considering he's been at it for more than 20 years

absolutely no regrets at all

>>40638203
>Transition is the gender-afflicted's culmination of their idealism
IDK, taking cross sex HRT to rewire your biology sounds pretty materialist to me. Meanwhile you just spout this woo woo nonsense about gender like some sort of cult victim.

>>40638147
>>40638229
What's with the romanticism of violence among trans-identified persons?
>>40638179
We're reaching never-before-seen levels of woke with this one.
>>40638200
>>40638210
>>40638242
There is nothing unusual or schizophrenic about my posts. Actual schizophrenic persons can't form coherent sentences and speak as though they are using autocomplete on a mobile phone keyboard.
>>40638253
Our core identity is formed by the first 5 years of our life. If she develops dementia, she will forget she "was a man". She'll be terrified. She'll be in the mind of a 5 year old girl who was sexually assaulted and mutilated by the grown "man" she referred to herself as.

>>40638203
>Pragmatism concerns reality and the reality is that she is a woman in the flesh. Transition is the gender-afflicted's culmination of their idealism. A delusion forced onto reality.

>>40638274
>Our core identity is formed by the first 5 years of our life.
Personally I was swish at that age. Don't know your sibling well enough to say, but maybe they were at odds with their sex that young too.

>>40638274
>Our core identity is formed by the first 5 years of our life. If she develops dementia, she will forget she "was a man". She'll be terrified. She'll be in the mind of a 5 year old girl who was sexually assaulted and mutilated by the grown "man" she referred to herself as.
source???

>>40638292
Probably mumsnet, same place she got the “Life expectancy for people consuming exogenous hormones drops.”

>>40638274
Didn’t address anything I said at all, thread hidden moron

>>40638274
his core identity is that of a man

seethe and cope

also, mind linking me to any case studies of this happening? since TERFs keep claiming it happens and such

You should unmask her as the woman she is. Go fishing together and pull her pants down in front of everyone! Pooner srs is in a horrible state so that's all you have to do really

>>40637933 (OP)
Go on the fishing trip and talk to him about your concerns. Listen to what he has to say. If you don't agree then you don't agree, he's an adult and you are too, and ultimately you can't really force each other to do much. If you want to explain to your children then just tell them he transitioned
>Can I convince them that she made a mistake
You don't need to convince them of anything. Just tell them "this person" transitioned, you can even use "she" if you feel like it, and if there are no bad examples then just tell them you personally disagree with "her" decision. Just don't lie about it.
More importantly, maybe reevaluate if it really was a mistake. He seems quite happy and successful from your description, and your fears for "her" seem a little unnecessary. To say you know "what's best" for someone is a little insulting and if you choose to talk to him then try and tone down that part a bit.

>>40638274
>What's with the romanticism of violence among trans-identified persons?
Welcome to 4chan soft cunt

>>40637933 (OP)
>I'm a feminist, so I hate my sister (and I'll go along with what pronouns you want to use just for the sake of being cordial) exercising her right to bodily autonomy and think she's just too stupid/brainwashed/traumatized to know that she's supposed to live her life how *I* say she should live it
This does not read as very feminist to me at all. Use of pronouns aside you just sound afraid the evil tranny is going to corrupt your sons the same way conservatives worry about gays turning other people gay as if it's the cheese touch.
Your sister made a choice for her own happiness and you can't even respectfully disagree without considering cutting her out of your family's life. You just seem selfish.
As for your sons they're going to find out about trans people one way or the other in 2025. Tell them or don't, they'll see something about trans people on the news or social media. We can't control your life but if you want to tell them that their aunt is an untermenschen degenerate then that's your choice.

OP, go to /pol/, the bigots there are more your speed than the bigots here.

>>40638078
Compelled speech is better than compelled self-identity.

>>40638078
>people don't like me when I act like an asshole. Don't you see how bad this is?
>I can't even call them the N word anymore without my family getting mad. This is compelled speech

>>40638274
>Actual schizophrenic persons can't form coherent sentences and speak as though they are using autocomplete on a mobile phone keyboard.
they're almost reaching self awareness

>>40638203
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>>40637933 (OP)
sincerely kill yourself <3

Obvious answer is take em on the fishing trip, be a decent enough parent to equip your kids with healthy coping mechanisms and boundaries. Then if they transition it'll be because they chose of their own volition and not cause they were pressured into it.

If you're that anal retentive, talk to your sibling about what concepts are appropriate for your child's age until they can understand reasonably to choose for themselves.

But if your sibling is just going to hang out and be their preferred self, the fuck would be the problem?

Oh right, concern trolling that every tranny is out to convert like brightly colored preachers.

>>40638274
>What's with the romanticism of violence among trans-identified persons
I'm not romanticizing anything, I'm just saying that your only solutions here are either intellectual suicide (accept that you're a an idiot whose beliefs about trans people were and are fundamentally wrong) or literal suicide (denial of the existence of trans people by dying before accepting our existence). You've reached a crossroads, there's no option where you can just keep chugging along with your retarded faux activism anymore, reality contradicts it.