any tips on how to look more androgynous......

seconded, can anyone recommend bike shorts or booty shorts and how to combine that with an oversized tee shirt, especially for tall and skinny XY chromosomer

bump i want this too

>>40661453
ull just look like a male kpop star or a twink frame wise androgyny isnt real or possible for anyone past male puberty without hrt and surgery

>>40666308
Well I mean, that's not strictly true, but I wasn't planning on learning advanced makeup skills or buying falsies either.

So if I'm above 6 feet androgyny is just a myth? Idk the alt/lefty/queer scene here is such that if I can manage to look even a little androgynous that will already count. There are already a few genuine tranners that don't really pass and they tend not to catch shit for it, I just want to look cute and have some butch chick slam me up against a wall and bully me.

>>40667147
androgyny doesnt exist in western society apart from in the delusions of the kweer community. everyone is boxxed into either male or female. to be truly andro none of your visible features at all can be groupable into either male or female. In public this means your silhouette at a distance, your face up close & at a distance, no beard shadow at all, no brow ridge, a feminine nose, no boobs, no big hands & no broad shoulders.

Trying to be andro with any other feature breeds misery or delusion.

>>40667322
Imagine being this far down the rabbit hole holy shit.
Why do you believe in the binary this much? Your average cisoid is not an expert in clocking like the degenerates of this board. They form a general sense of the gender/sex of this person by a collective perception of these features, but would have no idea what a brow ridge is and know that plenty of women have no boobs or essentially no boobs or dress specifically to hide their (lack of) boobs.
My man I remember when the pizza shop I worked at had the employees taste test the new sauce they were considering and only me and 2 others out of like 10 guessed which is which correctly, while most picked the original sauce as their favorite thinking it was the new one. They really had no idea that our sauce was a little sweet and the new sauce was like Domino's, too spicy and no sweetness.
My point is, most people are fucking clueless unless they have spent time learning about a subject, and there is so much misinformation regarding the trans topic that even you ducks don't have any perspective on the issue anymore.
Trust me, if your average cisoid is unsure of the gender/sex of the person in front of them or says "eugh yeah that's a [xx/zu] but at that point you might as well admit you're gay" that's androgyny, dumbass. It doesn't have to be perfect. That's like saying anyone who can't pull an under 12s in the 100 meter dash isn't fast, or prop engine planes aren't fast- you have lost your perspective entirely.

>>40666308
It is possible, but u need good genetics. A lot of pinoy guys look androgynous. So I got lucky that way, easier to transition if u want

>>40660515 (OP)
be female and cut your hair short

>>40666308
thats basically androgynous
>>40667406
that's just looking like a girl

>>40667651
a feminine man is still a vile ogre amab beast not perfect androgyny, cope

>>40660515 (OP)
Be a cute poon wit a vag or something

>>40667660
>le perfect androgyny
what even is that

>>40660515 (OP)
grow your hair out, get some haircut with layers, shave, get on hrt, get laser hair removal, dye your eyelashes and maybe eyebrows and head hair, suck dick, change your wardrobe

>>40668547
Wait what was that one near the end

>>40660515 (OP)
Presuming for AMABs:
REPPER LEVEL
>long hair
>unusually baggy or tight silhouette (nontwink or twink specced)
>shave face
“WHAT ARE YOUR PRONOUNS” LEVEL
>ears pierced
>long hair (well tended or styled)
>actual skincare, optional minimal makeup (liner, nail polish)
>epilate or body shaving, laser or electro face hair removal
>subtle women’s clothing (female jeans fit different, same with shirt styles)
>”we have hrt at home” finasteride
LEFT HAND PATH: FEMBOY
>maskfag
>fringefag
>you know the clothes. the hot agp ones

>>40667391
People are very bad at identifying what cues make them get a certain perception, but they are very good at getting an instinctive read. It's very hard to fight against. Positive androgyny can throw things off and cause confusion, but it'll still be likely read as "male/female with female/male characteristics" instead of an indeterminate intermediate, which is what I think people tend to want. Puberty dashes the possibility of negative androgyny.

Bomp

>>40668760
what is "actual skincare"? Like is there something beyond applying lotion after showering and using a specific one for the face on the face and make sure it matches your skin type