Is transitioning ever worth it if one is non-dysphoric?

you don't just decide to transition without some form of dysphoria, you probably have it just in forms that aren't portrayed or known as "extreme"

>>40673146 (OP)
Better question: why transition if you're non-dysphoric.

>>40673216
Same reason 99% of people do it. To goon

>>40673233
That's the most retarded reasoning I've ever heard. Estrogen is gonna change the way your libido works and chances are your dick won't even work properly anymore.

>>40673282
>Estrogen is gonna change the way your libido works and chances are your dick won't even work properly anymore.
Not OP, but that's not true for everyone.
Most people (>90%) are able to maintain function with tadalafil and/or t-gel. Some people even maintain nocturnal erections.
Libido is often different, but returns for most people. For some people it never goes away.
It's real YMMV territory, and you'll only know if you try HRT for a while.
Granted, none of this is pertinent in this case, since OP has no reason to transition. With that said, I feel the need to set the record straight when this comes up. I'd hate to see someone who is dysphoric but wants to maintain erectile function not transition on false pretense.

>>40673192
I am generally dissatisfied with my appearance, despite people telling me I look good, but I don't think this can count as dysphoria, especially since it's not solely focused on my sexual characteristics.

>>40673216
Maybe I'll actually like my appearance, and the effects of e are at the very least a preventative measure to not turn into an ogre

>>40673408
>Maybe I'll actually like my appearance, and the effects of e are at the very least a preventative measure to not turn into an ogre
I hate to burst your bubble but nobody without gender dysphoria would think the solution to being ugly is to transition

>>40673408
When people tell you that you look good, you listen to them. What you think about yourself matters less bc we live in a highly superficial world.

If you're worried about balding, take finasteride and minoxidil.

But don't fuck up natural beauty

>>40673408
Let's try a quick exercise here.
>I am generally dissatisfied with my appearance
What parts of your appearance are you dissatisfied with?
>into an ogre
Define an 'ogre'? What characteristics would this ogre have?

>>40673337
i hate how ymmv it is i see sissy gooners go on hrt and get sad their dicks stop working but i have fucking genital dysphoria and still get involuntary erections after 7 fucking years :((((((

>>40673146 (OP)
if you think you don't have dysphoria or your dysphoria is super low level then it's best to not transition imo. even if you were a gigapassoid it makes dating near impossible, if you don't pass then you're way harder to find employment or housing, if it's not a need and you think won't turn into a need later down the line evaluating your own feelings, the cons greatly outweigh the pros

>>40673146 (OP)
bigender here. because its fun

>>40673192
detransitioners don't exist?

>>40673146 (OP)
our current understanding of 'dsyphoria' was created by a bunch of pedophile child abuser hack psychologists so i wouldn't put too much stock in it. it's very much a real thingt but it's much more nuanced that people realise. if you have the desire to transition just do it, as long as you've thought it through and are fully aware of the consequences

>>40673337
rando here to supply anecdote i am five years into my transition and my penis never stopped working. unfortunate for me who does not like this but it is what it is. the only real difference functionally is no spontaneous erections and generally no ejaculate at all
libido generally was decimated (in the literal sense, like i'm probably about a tenth as horny as i ever was before, if even that) but it is still there, spiking pretty much at random it seems and like nonexistent otherwise
>>40673503
i don't know that i believe all detransers never had dysphoria. it is certainly something which has ebbed and flowed for me and even my understanding of my own feelings has changed a lot since i started transitioning

>>40673431
I still don't buy this. Couldn't it be just me being insecure and vain?
I've tried a ton of stuff to improve my looks as a guy, to great effects apparently, in hopes that I'll one day reach a point where I could be happy looking in the mirror, yet said day never came.
Chasing looks is a foolish endeavour, and each step I take just shifts the goalpost further, so now I've reached a point where I'm considering hrt, since nothing before had any meaningful impact.
That sounds pretty vain to me at least

>>40673476
>>40673558
I've heard of people taking paroxetine (20mg) to reduce erectile function, but it'll probably also nuke libido.

>>40673558
I don't think "want to transition" is the same as dysphoria, you could just have an aesthetic preference for one or you could simply want to distance yourself from your body not your sex which is a common reason detransitioners cite and common in people who have lived through trauma, or a myriad of other reasons.

>>40673452
>What parts of your appearance are you dissatisfied with?
It's mostly the whole package. I don't hate my body, and I appreciate it being conventionally attractive, but it's impossible for me to feel any more than apathy towards it. In some instances, I even hate it, but there's never a clear reason as to why.
There are also some individual parts I'm not the biggest fan of, like my browbone for example, but it doesn't feel like I hate it becuase it signifies that I'm a man, but rather because it's not aesthetic.

>Define an 'ogre'?
Big and bulky overall. Having a huge head, huge and thick arms and especially hands, massive barrel chest, all on top of a very narrow waist with disproportionately thin legs. Basically Shrek.
There's nothing wrong with looking like that, but I just really don't want to end up looking lime that

>>40673612
oh it does not bug me much and it is probably for the best since it will prevent atrophy and i want srs
just isn't my personal cup of tea, is all
>>40673623
i agree with this..maybe i misunderstood what was being said
many such cases for me

>>40673683
>Big and bulky overall. Having a huge head, huge and thick arms and especially hands, massive barrel chest, all on top of a very narrow waist with disproportionately thin legs. Basically Shrek.
>There's nothing wrong with looking like that, but I just really don't want to end up looking lime that
There's not much you can do about having a big head or your body frame. You just have to work with it. It's totally possible. You can be an attractive dude. Just stay fit and trim, or thin if that makes you feel better. Then you won't be Shrek.

>>40673683
Well you probably have dysphoria of some kind, but it's hard to say if you have gender dysphoria or body dysmorphia. If you're considering transitioning it's definitely something though.
Do yourself a favor and go see a therapist or something.

>>40673146 (OP)
>>40673503
i transitioned "without having dysphoria" at 19 then detransitioned because transition was really hard and i "didnt have dysphoria", and now i'm 26, extremely dysphoric, and want to die every day and hate myself for detransitioning. ymmv

>>40673476
My condolences. Afaik as I know there are multiple ways to induce erectile dysfunction, ranging from ssris to prone masturbation, but they also have their drawbacks and aren't necessarily guaranteed.

>>40673489
I think so as well, and whenever I'm hit by the pragmatic truth of how much of a negative impact transitioning can have on one's qol, I always end up feeling dejected about it.
I could very much continue loving as a man, and there might even come a point where I forget about all of this, but right now I feel like I've hit a dead end when it comes to being a man. It feels sysiphean

>>40673623
>I don't think "want to transition" is the same as dysphoria
I'm on the same page here. One of my biggest worries is that since my desire to transition isn't rooted in gender dysphoria, it implies that I'm focusing my time and effort on the wrong thing, basically using my transition as a proverbial rug to sweep all of my issues under. I'm clueless as to what those issue could be otherwise though, since I don't have any trauma nor anything else substantial enough

>>40673883
>I think so as well, and whenever I'm hit by the pragmatic truth of how much of a negative impact transitioning can have on one's qol, I always end up feeling dejected about it.
>I could very much continue loving as a man, and there might even come a point where I forget about all of this, but right now I feel like I've hit a dead end when it comes to being a man. It feels sysiphean
Feeling stuck like that doesn’t mean you’ll feel that way forever. A lot of people hit points where they can’t see a path forward, but perspective can shift with time and life changes. It might help to focus on building a life you enjoy right now rather than chasing a permanent solution to how you feel in this moment

>>40673762
I have looked into body dysmorphia, and it doesn't really match the way I feel about myself.
I don't perceive flaws where there are none, nor obsess over the one's I do think I have, and am in general pretty confident in my appearance.
It's just that I'm dissatisfied, or more accurately, unable to appreciate what I do have, sometimes to the point where I feel grotesque and wrong.
Definitely should follow your advice and look into seeing a therapist.

>>40673829
This is something I'm very concerned of. I'm relatively young, and still am quite androgynous, so waiting a couple of years in order to sort out my life and feelings about this all, might end up backfiring on me.
I even started hrt only a month after I learned about it's existence, but stopped after 3 months because it felt psychotic to do this without having any solid reasons

>>40673146 (OP)
No, but most people who claim to be "non-dysphoric" are either actually lying or outright morons, so even though the answer is definitely 100% no in practice I don't think this precludes hardly anyone from transitioning.

>>40673944
This is good advice, but the thought of this just being a passing fixation is weirdly dreadful to me.

>>40674432
I'm definitely a moron, at least when it comes to understanding my own thoughts and feelings.
Most of the time I'm just completely apathic, and when I do feel anything, it oftentimes feels as if I'm gaslighting myself.
From what I think I'm feeling, I really can't accept the verdict that I might experience gender dysphoria, even if I've had instances define as anything but. To me it just doesn't add up how something as trivial as me hating my facial hair for example is actual gender dysphoria

>>40675291
hating sexually dimorphic features like that is literally the definition of gender dysphoria. this is exactly the kinda stuff i mean with the like nonsense justifications and rationalizations
>"I wish I was a girl, but I don't have dysphoria"
>"How do you feel about the fact that you're not a girl?"
>"It makes me sad."
I don't understand the like mental gymnastics people use to claim that they're nondysphoric.