Thread 41347489

Why do people constantly seethe about ftfemboys? I think they are pretty cute.

>>41347489 (OP)
Because they mog MtFs to death

thems the best, frankly.

>>41347489 (OP)
As long as they don't flaunt their tits there's nothing wrong with some men wanting to be feminine imo

No dick or balls, it's misleading.

>>41347489 (OP)
That's just called a girl

>>41347489 (OP)
>ftm femboy
So, women?

>>41347489 (OP)
>Why do people constantly seethe about ftfemboys?
Because they're just women. They're not FTM.

>>41347509
>>41347523
>>41347526
If they are women why do they make such cute guys and why won't they be my boyfriend right now?

>>41347489 (OP)
i like twinks with long hair
i want more twinks with long hair

>>41347526
What if they cut off their tits and are on t? Men can be feminine, no?

>>41347489 (OP)
Because not everybody thinks with a dick and is too juiced on online engagement bait to ever self-reflect.

>>41347493
This. But most importantly they mog cis femboys even more

>>41347489 (OP)
>have girl
>dress her like a girl
>keep her on estrogen
>men fuck her like a girl
>this is somehow a new gender because she goes by she/they

>>41347489 (OP)
point out one thing in that image that's remotely masculine

>>41347572
His identity and male soul

>>41347489 (OP)
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Ideally, femboys are women visually but have male parts, this is a woman visually with woman parts, so, just a normal woman. Identity is a LARP, you are what you’re read as

>>41347770
Femboys rarely are women visually unless they are ftm so it makes sense that ftms are true femboys

>>41347489 (OP)
The benefit of the femboy is they're feminine with a dick. A ftfemboy is just a less feminine cis woman, so it's a downgrade over regular cis women.

no one likes an attention whore

>>41348308
Men seem to like them, bitter bottoms don't

>>41347536
Except none of them are though and they'll never go on t

>>41348321
Thats how you know youre doing something wrong honestly disgusting I wish normal people liked them and not just men

>>41348321
simps aren't men

>>41348775
Almost half of us are due to modern feminism waves and sheer desperation for romance

>>41348769
>Thats how you know youre doing something wrong honestly disgusting I wish normal people liked them and not just men
Its just jealousy, they are not hurting anyone

>>41348792
bro, you don't have to donate to pokemane. she doesn't give af.

>>41348296
It's more like
>ftfemboy is just a more feminine cis woman

>>41348825
it really do be like this
like, is being "ftfemboy" a gender overcorrect for being the most girly thing possible?

>>41348792
men are meant to be desperate why is this a bad thing

>>41348862
Because, historically, the biological disposability was offset by controlling the lives of females and basically ensuring you could get a partner.

>>41347489 (OP)
because "femboy" is a tool for trannies to rep, trannies don't like seeing it around and femboy chasers don't like the "trans ideology" in their femboy shit

>>41347489 (OP)
it's cool, I don't get why trans women would care about gatekeeping femboyism which is just male porn addiction anyways. ultimately it's just gender expression which we should be advocating for more of, doesn't make any girls life worse.

>>41347533
but they don't present masculine at all.

>>41347489 (OP)

This is a woman.

>>41347489 (OP)
They’re a better representation than this.

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>>41347489 (OP)
you have to perform masculinity to subvert it.

>>41350336
True

>>41350442
They have sissy boy souls

>>41347489 (OP)
it's because they mog actual femboys effortlessly. it's femboy stolen valor

>>41350480
Maybe they could try having better clothes than amazon skirts

If they aren’t men because they look feminine then non passing mtfs aren’t women because they look masculine

I literally don’t get how you can say they aren’t their chosen gender and expect people to respect your identity

>>41347489 (OP)
What are girls and women who lack any sort of unique identity at all so they can not obtain attention on social media, so they create ridiculous titles for themselves to seem somewhat interesting, but in reality, they are the most basic of basic bitches

>>41347489 (OP)
i think theyre cute too and i'd definitely party with them and maybe smash if we get into it :)
everyone likes me anyways cause i have all the tools in the magic box.

>>41350581
non-passing mtfs at least take estrogen and try to look like women
manly men who dress as men and don't take estrogen and do everything normal men do except demand feminine pronouns aren't women and nobody thinks they are.

>>41350762
So pre estrogen mtfs arent women? How much estrogen do they have to take to become a woman

>>41350799
pre-estrogen mtfs at least intend to take estrogen and demonstrate discomfort with their masculine features.
If someone claimed to be a pre-estrogen mtf but made no attempt to get on estrogen and seemed perfectly content with being a masculine man who's even more masculine than most men, there would be good reason to doubt it.
being trans isn't just when you say "I'm trans"

>>41350837
What’s your actual specific criteria for being trans and how do you know the person in OP doesn’t fit it

I love my nb transmasc bf, and if they want to identify as a girly twink I'm not going to stop them. It helps they reasonably try to come off as tomboyish though.

>>41350860
you need to have dysphoria to be trans
99% of "ftm femboys" are clearly not dysphoric

>>41350907
How do you know

>>41350934
because they don't behave in a way consistent with being dysphoric

>>41350946
Such as

>>41350934
because humans share experiences with each other and we relate to other people

>>41350950
if you don't know what gender dysphoria is you can look it up

>>41350960
What’s with the evasiveness

>>41347489 (OP)
if you think about it the world would be a better if all ftms where like this, never used T or chopped their tits

>>41350581
i know actual trans men who have done femboy shit and i respect it.

with these tiktok users it's not about "passing", it's about the fact that they extremely obviously do not feel the same things that trans men feel, and everyone can see that.

>>41350974
what's with the retardedness?
you don't even have an argument, your whole position is just to demand I repeatedly explain why people who don't transition aren't trans. I've given my explanation, if you don't like it I don't care

>>41351000
They did transition, to a feminine male
Your retarded arbitrary criteria will inevitably exclude genuine trans people

>>41351000
Nta but they clearly want to know qhat ypur definition of dysphoric is so they can ask how ypu know the OP pic isnt dysphoric
I'm going to guess you are the classic 'if they post tits they arent dysphoric!' type of idiot

>>41351022
they did not transition to any kind of male
>>41351029
how about you tell me what you think dysphoria is, instead of just demanding I do all the work while you reply to my every post with "why?"

if ftfemboys actually tried to look like femBOYS i would take them a lot more seriously. but it seems like it's more often a way to be trans without transitioning in any way shape or form, in which case it feels a little pointless.

>>41351041
You obviously can't read or are too mad to process but I said nta you dumbass

Also it is your definition of dysphoria in question idiot, so it is your definition that should be shared not mine of that other anons

>>41351029
i mean, if you look at the dsm 5, you need to meet 2 out of 6 listed criteria to get diagnosed with gender dysphoria. telling people that you "identify" as a man at best meets one of those criteria so isn't enough clinically.

>>41351082
look up the dsm-5 criteria for gender dysphoria

>>41347489 (OP)
because ftfemboys are mentally ill cis women who are using our demonically cruel fate as a quirky costume that they forget about as soon as they get a boyfriend who fucks them properly

>>41347489 (OP)
it would so much better if they actually look like man first then they can be femboys later. atp they're just woman doing hyperfeminine things to gain attention on tiktok.
this is so tiresome

>>41351092
>>41351100
So you believe dysphoria MUST follow the dsm-5 criteria?
How do you know OP pic doesnt have all criteria?

>>41351092
When I was getting my hrt from planned parenthood years ago, this theyfab doctor thought I was lying when I hit all 6 of the criteria for a gender dysphoria diagnosis instead of only like 1 or 2. She also started me on 2mg of E per day without spiro so feel free to lol at how I mistakenly thought she was mtf and she/her'd her after she told me she's trans too, because she just looked like a normal short woman.

>>41347536
nta but that'd be perfect

>>41351158
ftm femboys don't behave consistently with what having gender dysphoria is like
if you knew a normal man who had a wife and kids and only ever had sex with women and never displayed attraction to men but he claimed he was gay, would you believe him?

>>41351187
Deflection and moving goal posts
Answer the question
How do you know OP pic doesn't have all criteria?

>>41351209
because they don't act like how someone with dysphoria acts

>>41351187
I know a cis woman who did that irl and is now married to another woman
Just admit it makes you feel icky or jealous or something instead of coming up with retarded copes

>>41351158
if you don't feel those things in the criteria, what the fuck do you think you have in common with me? yes, you have to experience the same things as other trans people to actually have dysphoria. if you don't feel what other trans people you feel, you're not like us, and you can't take our words.

>How do you know OP pic doesnt have all criteria?
how do i know anyone is feeling anything? what a naive point to make. sure, maybe someone's internal mental state has no relation to their behavior. but what is anyone ever supposed to do about that? all we can do is see how she's acting.

>>41351230
>and is now married to another woman
right, and I'll believe an ftm femboy is trans when they transition

>>41351256
So before she married this other woman shes not gay? just stfu

>>41351272
she might have been gay, but how can I know?
actions speak louder than words

>>41351304
No, she gay even if you weren’t aware. Stop being dumb

>>41351311
has anyone ever lied about being gay before?

>>41351219
How is someone with dsyphoria supposed to act? You believe every single person deals with their dysphoria in the exact same way?
>>41351187
Maybe he is so terrified of coming out of the closet he puts on the full charade. Just as you have no way of knowing if OP pic fits all criteria or not without talking to them, you have no idea if your hypothetical straight acting gay man is hiding deep in the closet and masking
>>41351247
Some people experience things not specificly on the list. You seem very defensive of your transness. I was just clarifying the list is all that counts for you so I know how to continue debating you
>how do i know anyone is feeling anything?
Exactly
>all we can do is see how she's acting
And you make a lot of assumptu9ns based on how he is acting when you have no idea the internal thinking. They may suffer more dysphoria than even you based on the list but you see an ftm comfortavle being feminine and because they don't pass you call them a woman being a woman
You are transphobic and need trans people to be performative for you to included them as trans

I seethe because I'm not fucking them

>>41351230
The fact you're pointing out that actions don't need match desires is implicitly acknowledging that the behavior of the girl in picrel doesn't match gender dysphoria.

Someone can act like this and later turn out to be a trans man, of course. Maybe she does have gender dysphoria. But saying it about her is as pointless as saying it about any cis woman, it could be true for anyone and is neither here nor there.

>>41351330
yes people can be closeted
but you're not closeted if you're openly claiming to be trans, that's the opposite of closeted
yeah maybe it's possible that in the future they'll actually transition, but it's also possible than they will never transition. So I'll believe they're trans when they actually do the one thing trans people do. You can take everyone at their word if you like, I guess I'm just not so trusting.

>>41348805
they seem to be shaming people into having to like them. it's the whole tranny question over again. except way more terminally online and worse. at least with trannies and femboys it's "lived experience of male inhibiting non-manly features" and pooners or butches "lived experience of female inhibiting non-womanly features" but a female inhibiting womanly features with no lived experience that differs from a normal woman is frankly just a woman. and an actual feminine presenting FTM with chopped off tits and otherwise at least some more manly features is questionable in this framework and at most only hurtful to the contribution if unrealistic beauty standards for trannies and femboys.

>>41351330
retarded theyfab start arguing in bad faith, how nice. pls go back to tumblr, there is a suitable place for your kind

>>41351397
The closeted part was about your hypothetical straight gay man
OP pic is openly ftm femboy and once again
You make a lot of assumptions when you have no idea the internal thinking. OP pic may suffer more dysphoria than you based on the list but you see an ftm comfortable being feminine and because they don't pass as male you call them a woman being a woman
You are transphobic and need trans people to be performative for you to included them as trans

>>41351424
>address nothing
>name call
>deflect and tell them to 'go back'
You are bad at this

>>41351433
>You make a lot of assumptions when you have no idea the internal thinking.
you're doing the same thing
I'm assuming they're dishonest because of their actions, and you're assuming they're honest because... of nothing really
an ftm cannot be comfortable being a feminine woman. That's contrary to what being an ftm or being dysphoric in general means

>>41351448
i'm someone else, retard. go back

>>41351041
>they did not transition to any kind of male
Femboys are males so yes they did

>>41351356
This person is arguing from the position that "You can't disprove it, therefore it's true." It reminds me of religious people arguing with atheists.
Like, you can't disprove that someone having a screaming, raging temper tantrum isn't actually blissful and happy, because you can't know how anyone feels ever. But based on their actions, it's evident that they're mad, and that they're not acting in a way a happy person would act.

>>41351433
actually, you're being transphobic. demanding that trans people try to fix their gender dysphoria is the bare minimum we can do to support each other. you're also invalidating real trans experiences by insisting the word doesn't have to mean anything.

this fake bullshit about everyone being valid has done HUGE harm to trans people because it tricks real trans people into thinking that they can ameliorate their dysphoria by "being accepted" instead of starting hrt, which is the only thing that works.

if she actually is trans, you're ruining her life by tolerating this behavior from her. she's not valid. if she's a trans man she NEEDS to get on testosterone and she'll hate you in the future for not screaming that at her. if this behavior was coming from an actual trans person, it would indicate extreme mental mutilation caused by dysphoria.

>>41350837
dropping by to tell you anon, that you are making perfect sense, and the retards replying to your posts are naive and subverting reason. someone isn't autistic either, just because they say they are, but don't act or express thinking according to how autists would. building up a persona about features that should make you dysphoric as a trans person, defeats the purpose of easing dysphoria. this is how we get men quickly announcing they're trans now after needing to go to prison. the thinking propagated under your replies which isn't based on empiricism allows unscientific and illogical outcomes.

>>41347489 (OP)
It's always been normal to be into mentally ill alt women

>>41351457
I assume nothing and take Op pic at their word of being ftm. You assume they are lying and do not experience 'enough' dysphoria.
>an ftm cannot be comfortable being a feminine woman
Agreed. OP pic is trying to be a feminine man not a woman. If they face passed you probably wouldn't be arguing. Because they don't pass you see a woman. Most probably do, but if they say ftmfemboy it'a not hard to respect a stranger that doesn't affect me.
I will make one assumption, I assume you are ftm? It seems you are projecting your dysphoria, that because you couldn't possibly feel comfortable in being feminine you can't see how any ftm could so they must not be ftm.
I am sure there are mtfs that wish to be masculine in a fem way, butch tomboy whatever. But if they didn't face pass you would say they are just men dressing as men and faking dysphoria

>>41351522
>real trans
Oh you're one of those and probably a waste of time to continue talking to. I hope you get over your internalised transphobia one day

>>41351616
Lmao the only anon on your side is a terf
I'd do some reflection if I were you

>>41351781
nta but you are actually fucking delulu lmao

>>41351822
not the only one, not at all. "ftfemboys are not trans" is the common sentiment here

>>41347489 (OP)
It's about conquest. Cute femboys are really fucking rare its 1 in million if not less that means he's a rare gem a diamond. Getting to date that puts me above every other guy in vicinity. If it's just another cute girl it doesn't matter because there's millions of cute girls everywhere.

I think they should have their skulls exploded personally
Literally the worst aspects of roasties, pooners and femboys combined absolute subhuman

>>41351835
The common terf sentiment yes
Look how they samefag once its pointed out

Removing unique poster count was a mistake we will never recover from

>>41351803
i'm not "one of those" you retard. i'm not talking about "trenders". i think everyone should be allowed to transition if they want to and i think nearly all people who get accused of being a trender (like i was) are actually trans.

but people like you literally ruined my fucking life by pushing the idea that there's anything a trans person can do other than transition. that's not "internalised transphobia", that's "i will never pass and want to kill myself, because when i was 15 i was told that it's ok to just be girly instead of having to start hrt", and i'm fed up with people still spreading this shit

the way i see it, there's two options here:

a) the girl in picrel is trans, and you're actively damaging her by encouraging this behavior.

b) the girl in picrel is not trans, and you're bullshitting.

>>41351822
>>41351873
I don't see any terfs in this thread
"nobody is trans" is the common terf sentiment.
believing that being trans is actually a real thing and not just a social label for anyone to adopt is not a terf position. It's more the opposite really.

>>41351925
Is OP picrel a ftmfemboy? Are they on t? Then they are trans
I never said anything about not transitioning or not taking t to be a ftmfemboy. Thats a lot of assumptions and projection. My only point is that many will say ftmfemboys can not exist because of the falsehood that 'trans men are not allowed to want to be feminine'
Are you in therapy?
>but people like you literally ruined my fucking life
Getting this upset at random internet strangers who aren't even saying what you are assuming they are saying is not healthy anon.

>>41351977
why would a trans man want to be feminine?

>>41351925
Wait
>i will never pass and want to kill myself, because when i was 15 i was told that it's ok to just be girly instead of having to start hrt
You fell for a chaser meme? Only an idiot who wasn't that dysphoric would not transition and not take t and be feminine cause the internet told them to lmfao you are not that stupid right?

>>41351977
If you think this is what a trans man on T who "wants to be feminine" physically looks like, then you obviously have never met a single transitioning trans man.

>>41351987
Why would a cis man want to be feminine? Why would a cis women want to be masculine?

>>41352039
Anon I am a feminine trans man
They only difference between me and OP is a passing face

>>41347489 (OP)
The real answer is because they are hijacking privilege out of troons who in turn tried to hijack foid privilege in the first place.

>>41347558
If you like women then yes. At the end of the day they are just femgirls.

Low IQ retards cant understand that ftfemboys are just women that want to feel extra special

>>41347489 (OP)
The pain of trenders looking better than you ever will

>>41347489 (OP)
I concur. Just let people exist however. We're all gonna die anyway.

>>41347489 (OP)
>Why do people constantly seethe about ftfemboys?
the feminine person with a penis is only an interesting thing if they have a penis

>>41347489 (OP)
>i like women
fag

>>41357220
im mad kek at this right now what -_-

Many people in this thread who wish to fuck these women, and thusly try to desperately claim they are men, and convince themselves that everyone with a braincell is unreasonable.

>>41347489 (OP)
Because it’s the most direct example of the many ftms who are just fujoshi, strumming your clit to yaoi doesn’t mean that you’re a man deep down

it's difficult for amabs to look feminine so being a femboy that looks good is something achieved at least partially through hard work, and you get acclamation based partially on that fact
afabs can be a top ranking femboy and mog every amab femboy with basically zero effort
this is perceived as unfair, and people want somebody to blame, so they blame afab femboys
it's basically exactly the mirror of the conservative myth about trans woman strongmen entering competitions and obliterating their cis competitors, except maybe this is more true? idk people are protective enough of amab femboys that I don't think their stock will really devalue because of ftfemboys competing with them

>>41358174
also to add ftfemboys often look too fem which is I guess ironic

>>41347489 (OP)
what an idiot
this Dumbocrap needs a new necklace with a star of david on it.

>>41347489 (OP)
Stolen valor.

They're equally as valid as trans women not on hormones with beards who dress like regular men

>>41350980
This is exactly why trans men hate ftfemboys. Because it's giving retards like this what they want kek

>>41347489 (OP)
Holy perma online fake thing.