Thread 41357544

Zero Depth SRS
>Relatively safer
>Faster recovery time
>Less invasive to the body
>Best aesthetic results
>Preserved sensitivity
>Cannot insert anything

Full depth SRS
>Relatively unsafer
>Slow recovery rate
>Dilation
>Aesthetics are harder to achieve (less tissue, etc)
>Lower sensitivity
>Insertion is possible (positive?)

Which one is best? Justify and argue for one or the other

>>41357544 (OP)
No matter which one you get, it won't compare to a real vagina. You're better not wasting your time and health on it.

>>41357661
You're right, but there's benefits to not having a penis and balls anymore, even if it's just wearing clothes/being able to swim in public, etc

>>41357544 (OP)
If I was gonna do the surgery, I'd just go full depth because you might as well do the whole thing if you're gonna do it and still be stuck recovering. With zero depth you're still stuck with anal. You just have to be careful with choosing the right method and surgeon for aesthetics and function. I just don't see why you'd do zero depth if you aren't a troonsbian

>>41357724
I'm in a longterm relationship with my theyfab gf and sex (expecially penetrative sex) is not a major part of it

>>41357544 (OP)
full depth srs is way better
what is the point of getting a vagina without getting a vagina?

>>41357544 (OP)
>Zero Depth SRS
>Best aesthetic results
>Preserved sensitivity

Neither of those are really true. Aesthetics will still be very dependent on the surgeon. The typical PI surgeon will give you the exact same result and just throw out the unused tissue. Sensitivity, I think will be the same because they're still splitting your dick. Zero depth is for elderly ppl.

>>41357926
>>41357963
Full depth would still have one major downside: Dillation

>>41357968
well sure, if you're pic related then you probably don't want to dilate, maybe just keep your penis

>>41357977
Disinngenuous reply and you know it.
In all seriousness, is depth "adjustable" when you get the surgery? I wouldn't mind SOME depth (ie, to get fingered, put small toys in) but I don't plan on having vaginal sex, ever (men are yucky)

>>41357968
it really isnt that bad when you get used to it. i mean ur already doing injections once a week and taking pills once a day whats one more thing. that said do what yall want idk. im straight so I want a good depth, if youre gay I could see zero depth being a thing.

>>41357993
You do get a little bit of depth, the amount probably varies and isn't something you can control. But I hear it's sometimes enough for a finger? You should ask your surgeon, but I'm guessing it's something that depends on your anatomy and the surgeon's technique.

>>41357544 (OP)
screw that lets talk piv vs ppt

>>41357968
okay that was years ago and it's over
you can't deal with that for a year of your life in exchange for a lifetime of having a vagina?

>>41358034
Don’t you have to do that for the rest of your life?

>>41358043
Anecdotally, no. Once a week at most

>>41358043
no I stopped ages ago to no ill effect

>>41358051
Once a week for the rest of my life, is still for the rest of my life
>>41358056
Unless you're having PIV sex, which counts as dillating, iirc

This is all theoretical, I'd still need to find a surgeon and talk through it before I make a truly informed decision, I'm running off of what I can find online at this point.

>>41358071
I don't care what some doctor told you
I know that I stopped dilating and that my vagina is still there just as good as ever. I know that this has been true despite periods where I didn't have a boyfriend. I also know that I produce plenty of lube despite what I've been told. Doctors like most of cis society start with the assumption that we are defective and that sex change is impossible and refuse to admit any evidence to the contrary.
Interestingly cis friends who have had hysterectomy say they've heard similar misleading statements from doctors also apparently uninterested in learning otherwise.

>>41357544 (OP)

"Safety" is a relative concern. Does full depth srs have more risk of complications? Yes. However the risk of serious unforseen complications is still low. You can also improve your putcome by:

>being healthy (no drugs and alcohol for at least 180-90 days pre surgery or 6 months after surgery)
>being fit, with good pelvic floor and core muscles
>following your prep and after care instructions religiously
>consulting with multiple surgeons and doing good research
>communicating with your care team about your concerns (e.g. have I done enough hair removal?)
>selecting a care team that is explicitly pro trans and trans affirming
>being patient, waiting for a date with the right surgeon, getting hair removal done first (with electrolysis)
>networking with other patients of that surgeon to help talk about issues.
>being vigilant and on top of any issues post op and not ignoring things.
>making sure you have a good trans affirming gynecologist and PCP post op.
>Not getting discouraged. Almost ALL complications can be treated and fully resolved. Even most botches and mistakes can be fixed with revision.

If you are motivated and approach it with commitment, full depth can be a great option. Try to go to a world renowned provider like suporn, min Jun, or RBL. But there are still lesser known teams that provide great services. One of Metzger patients for example even became an MD after surgery and got trained in doing SRS herself. Pretty impressive for a tranny.

>>41357661

Do you even know what zero depth is?

Also you're a cis man and srs phone. What do you know? You're gay and like cocks.

>>41357737

Ewww girl thats not a good relationship for you. Sex is important. Don't settle for that.

>>41358125
There are more importan things than sex, unironically

>>41358094

This isn't because doctors hate trans people this is because doctors have to adequately inform you of the risks. They can't mislead you by being overly optimistic to push you to getting surgery. They have to make sure you are aware of risks.

>>41358139
Talking about risks is not the same as just openly refusing to acknowledge the reality their patients live in to the point of harm.
Why is the fact that I have (tested) normal pH and flora controversial? Why do they insist the test must have been wrong? Why, when it was not normal, did they suggest soap instead of antibiotics? Why did I have to push so hard for the antibiotics (which did in fact fix my issue near instantly)? And why, when confronted with that, do they not seem to believe me?
That's not "informing [me] of the risks." That's just bias.

>>41358105
Thanks for the exhaustive list, anon.
Out of all these, how important is the "being fit" part. I'm NOT at a healthy weight, so I want to manage my expectations (in case I'm blocked off of SRS until I lose weight... which is likely)
Also, are there different hair removal requirements for Zero Depth and Full Depth? I think I read somewhere that zero depth didn't require as much prep (ie no electrolysis) but I might be wrong

>>41358133

How long have you been together? I have seen trans women friends of mine waste 3-4 years in sexless relationships with afab nonbinaries that fell apart eventually. If you truly are asexual then awesome for you I support you but don't sacrifice your own needs jusy because you are trans and feel like no one else will date you. I have battled this feeling for multiple relationships. You deserve a partner who can give you at least MOST of what you need in the bedroom.

>>41358156

Was that your SRS surgeon or your PCP/gynecologist? Obviously doctors who are not specialists in trans affirming care will not give good gynecological care to a trans woman. If you were mistreated by a surgical team for your SRS you should make sure the community knows which team it was.

I'm really happy to hear your vaginal Ph is normal and you resolved your bv with antibiotics though!

>>41358197
I've been dating this person for over half my life, way before I came out. Things simply fizzled out naturally over time. We're closer to an old married couple than a pair of passionate youngsters by now. i've had my fair share of sex already, I'd say.

>>41358215
Actually the ones who are not well trained have in my experience been better because they'll just treat the problem rather than try to apply some shit they read in a biased journal. The ones who claim to have lots of knowledge overwhelmingly offer bad advice like I've said.
It was my PCP who also handles hormones and claims to be expert and has spread his "knowledge" to other doctors (one piece of knowledge he has is that antibiotics never help trans women despite him having a patient that was not correct in). my surgeon said to go to my PCP since he was thousands of miles away. I do not have a gynecologist since we are not allowed to anymore (I had to search-my PCP would not refer me since he thought he could do anything-and then they dropped me after Trump).
Fun story my estrogen injections ran out after that but I'm still able to get vaginal estrogen. But once again the PCP said it was useless despite my personal experience there, so I guess that'll run out too.

>>41357544 (OP)
SRS is good and all but when you get to the point where you can do extensive reading it basically becomes your SRS

>>41357993
>(men are yucky)
Why is it that abuse survivors and lesbians always say the same thing?

>>41358105
>being patient, waiting for a date with the right surgeon, getting hair removal done first (with electrolysis)
Why cant you just get laser then clean up what's left with electro (just like the face)?

>>41358176

I would assume so since you don't have as much if any skin going inside you. The most important place to do hair removal is any skin that will be used for the canal. One important note is that suporn and min Jun do follicle scraping. Suporn's follicle scraping specialists are world class-- they don't even require hair removal for that reason. For Min Jun I believe he does follicle scraping himself which is above and beyond. MOST American surgical rooms are limited in that they can't coordinate care with follicle scrapers which are limited availability in the US. DR. Jun still requires full hair removal just to make risk of patient complications as low as possible.

As for weight, it would benefit you to get yourself at a healthy weight pre surgery. Being overly fat can impact your aesthetic outcome and increase risk of complications like UTIs, most common complications is too much loose skin on the lips if you lose weight I think. Being too thin can cause other complications that impact healing and aesthetics. You want to use your wait time for SRS to get the best body you can. You don't need to be in the gym every day, but regular PT, posture correction exercises, and regular cardio and strength training will help your outcome.

>>41358105
will add, be at a healthy weight. which goes without saying but dont be too light either, im pretty messed up after going to RBL and she blames it on me being only like 19 bmi so not enough fat for aesthetics or to protect nerves and all that. but that doesnt really explain why my canal closed up even with rigorous dilation and the recurring granulation, so maybe some aspect of being too young/healing fast that i didnt really account for going in. i know there's data about younger patients having worse outcomes but they don't tell you that beforehand lol.
also, if asian i think thailand is probably best. i've seen so many asian girls in the US have major issues with the canal closing up and stuff like that compared to those of other races.

>>41358113
>Do you even know what zero depth is?
Of course. Doesn't mean they both just suck.
>srs phone
What? Is SRS so bad you have to get your own phone just to call your "doctor"? My sides.
>hurr every man that doesn't like srs holes is gay
I like vag too I just don't like SRS holes.

>>41358634
>>41358809
Seems like shedding all my excess weight is in my immediate future before even thinking about HRT. Which I sort of knew, but it's still discouraging, especially considering I got fat in the first place due to coping with my dysphoria. Maybe in a few years, if I'm not too old, I can re-consider it... (I'd need to lose like 60 pounds to be in a somewhat normal range)

>>41358540

Because of long term regrowth risk. You want to minimize risk of hair growing in your vagina. Laser treatments vary in permanence and regrowth can occur years later.

Now obviously surgeons differ on their policy but this is why min Jun only operates on patients whi verify full electrolysis removal and does follicle scraping.

But for your benefit, you want the absolute lowest chance of complications at any point after surgery. As Dr. Jun said to me "you can always find a surgeon who will tell you what you want to hear, but I'm not that surgeon"

>>41358809

I'm really sorry to hear that. Is it fully closed and can't be opened? What was the recommended dilation you were following?

>>41357661
You are a sad faggot pushing your cock loving narrative on this site for weeks to months on end.

>>41357544 (OP)
anyone who wants to have vaginal sex is going to choose full depth for obvious reasons. it sounds like you don't care about depth, you've basically made up your mind that you want zero depth, and are looking for validation that it's not the "wrong" choice.
if it's what you want, go for it. it's your body.

>>41359090
??? you do NOT need to lose weight to get on hrt, get on it asap before your body destroys itself further please wtf. I did that stupid "oh I'll lose weight and then get on hrt" brainrot as a teenager and now I trooned at 20 and want to kill myself every day for being such a dumbass, please please please don't fuck yourself over

>>41359465
Sorry, typo. I meant to write SRS. I've been on HRT for a few years now. But also, some nonas on here tried to gaslight me into not starting HRT unless I was already thin (lol). I'm glad I didn't listen to them.
>>41359421
I'm 95% sure I want zero depth, it's that remaining 5% that gets me hesitant.

>>41359484

How old are you and have you had sex? Do you want to be penetrated?

Do NOT decide on zero depth if you are like 19 years old and have decided you're a lesbian without ever dating anyone. I know a girl who got SRS like 18 months ago while in a lesbian relationship. Now she's broken up with her GF dates men and identifies as straight leaning bi, a lot of things can change once you progress in life.

For me one of the main factors is that as much as i like anal, it has serious drawbacks. There is always someone chance of residue, there is a limit on spontaneity, and it can be hard to get in and stay in the zone and cum from it.

>>41359617
30+, very long term relationship (literally half my life with the same partner, they're AFAB). I don't see a future in which I'm penetrated, and even if such a future happened, there's my ass for that, or that is what I'm currently thinking and why zero depth is more appealing (although I'm not 100% on it, as I said in my previous post, I'm split 95%/5%)

>>41359829
you guys don't use dildos?

>>41359962
We have a few, but usually external stimulation with vibrating toys and oral are more rewarding. That being said, we don't do much stuff with each other, other than cuddling.

>>41359382
basically yeah. i want to get a revision for a new canal but scared the same thing might just happen again. dilation schedule was like (each session being 15 min at depth) 4/day for 6 weeks, then 3/day until 3 months, then 2/day until 1 year, and as low as 1/week afterwards. I maintained dilating daily until over 2 years post op though, and my dilations were usually a couple hours long each because it took me like an hour to get to depth then i figured i might as well just keep it there awhile while i have it lol. i think dilating daily made granulation worse which grew to fill up my canal, on the other hand after i stopped dilating granulation got better but scar rings inside got worse, and it was too late anyway.

>>41360318
you know I had a similar experience really early on where I couldn't dilate for a few days and it actually got better not worse. I really think sometimes overdilation can cause irritation and inflammation (and possibly infection from the effective douching that putting all that lube up there represents).
more is not better and I hate that the received wisdom around dilation is basically wrong as to its main purpose (i.e. pelvic floor exercise)

>>41360339
yeah i completely agree! ive seen lots of girls in the years since that i gave that advice to and it usually helps them a lot. unfortunately this was before anyone talked about this and the doctors just said to dilate more and i was trying to be a good patient, so fuck my life i guess lol

>>41360386
i got told to dilate more to cure a yeast infection once it's like they know one thing to say

how young is too young to get srs? im 18 and am scheduling a consult in ~1/2 year and the wait following consult is ~2 years

>>41357544 (OP)
srsussy moment

I hope my gf never gets srs, I forewent pussy all this time specifically and only for her, if she offers me a sad and pathetic substitute now after what I've been through and gets rid of her dick I will strangle the fuck out of her until the life leaves her eyes and go marry a cis woman. I really don't want to live without her but I'm not putting up with that.

>>41357671
>swim in public
who even does this and who does this if it requires an expensive ass surgery

>>41364862
let me guess, cis man?

>>41364862
i hope your gf reads your posts and sends them to your family and dumps you

Is there like, mid depth srs?

>>41364989
Cisles

>>41365915
She won't leave me

>>41366656
there's cisles mtf chasers? I thought you types were always bi or something else

>>41366680

Its not a lesbian Its a fucking insane transphobic man lying his ass off this board is psyopped to hell and back. He likely doesn't even have a tranny gf.

>>41362602

Kim petras got it at 16 years old which was hailed as a medical breakthrough in 2005. I know 18 and 19 year olds who got it.