Thread 41472171

we're back to gender essentialism of the old world, where women MUST/must not act a certain way and men MUST/must not act a certain way but it's framed as woke and trans inclusive

trannies do nothing but enforce already blindingly restrictive gender roles - especially the male one

>>41472171 (OP)
>>41472186
sure gincel

>>41472186
they actually follow gender roles the same as any cis person but sure

Transphobic rhetoric is so maddening inconsistent and illogical

You guys literally attack trans women for not conforming to feminine stereotypes in one thread

And then attack them for "enforcing" them in another thread.

Both of these things can't be true. Either trans women act like women or they don't, you can't say they fail to act like women but also say they sre enforcing gender conformity.

In reality it's cis people who enforce gender conformity and making hate threads is a literal tool of gender pooicing

>>41472215
cis people have the excuse of having the gender roles be hammered into them at every second of every day since they're born, but transgender people choose to follow bad gender roles for some reason

>>41472246
sure, but this isnt them enforcing gender roles more than any cis person

>>41472245
instead of viewing my post on an individual level you box it into a very specific category which heavily changes its meaning, causing you to misinterpret me in many ways

>>41472256
they enforce it differently. anyway that's not the point I was going for. this post is about how telling women to be more assertive, getting into science instead of being housewives is misogynistic and transphobic because I'm undermining women's gender expression. or getting men to be more sensitive and less angry is bad because I'm not validating their gender identity

>>41472246
>wont someone think of the poor cis people
do you ever, like, think about how you're seemingly wired to seethe about the trannies at any given opportunity so much that you make up an entire worldview around it? this board sucks so bad, its just tourists making up reasons to cry about trannies and spineless trannies that barely object to active transphobia

>>41472523
you're doing that thing where u put me in a box and misinterpret everything I say. why are you so so so stupid to not understand the very basics of my point

>>41472582
that's just a wrong accusation? and either way, monolith shit isn't applicable here. your 'point' is fully gotten you're just not owed being entertained because its verbatim, and is hardly a point because there's nothing to be discussed. you're like a child, noone's denying or pretending your point isnt real, it's just so base and braindead noone in their right mind chooses to engage. go make false assertations like a crying baby on some other board

>>41472186
how does one not enforce gender roles, genuinely. Ive told someone i detransed from a trans woman to a guy on estrogen and i got called out for enforcing gender roles

>>41472582
>my point
nigga you dont have one.

>>41472282
noone says this you esl dumbass. literally noone ever says this, not a single mf on earth has ever said this. enforcing it differently is such a non answer too go take an english class lil bro

>>41472774
if u dont tell ppl ur a tranny the accusations stop

>>41472774
>how does one not enforce gender roles, genuinely.
nta
You're getting it, it's literally impossible. No matter what you do, someone can accuse you of doing it

>>41472722
>and not owed being entertained
and yet you're still replying, curious. anyway you're actively trying to change what I'm saying because you don't have a comeback or you're just dumb.

real actual point being that bad gender roles and expectations being excused, instead of biology or religion but by le woke inclusive trans inclusivity
>>41472782
pale white boy saying nigga ain't there nothing more humiliating

anyway do u know what "hyperbole" and "exaggeration to make a point" is? this shit happens on a more complicated level you stupid fucking moron

>>41472171 (OP)
it's a lot more nuanced tho
I think one perspective held by a few was that anglo feminists and philosophers typically pushed nonsensical abstractions of sex and gender, such that a woman could simply think herself into being a man
essentially the push for using and building upon ideas of lived experience was a push against that sort of overly intellectualized abstraction, as much as it was a push against bioessentialism
however, there is a lot of room for nuance and alternative views and models between strict reproductive functionalist silliness and 'it's just a choice' silliness
I also don't think the largely unexamined and uncritical 'critical' views parroted on platforms like tumblr and tiktok helped much, and was almost as regressive as returning to views reminiscent of aquinas tbqh

>>41472787
wow almost as if it's different people saying different things and not the same person simultaneously saying two contradicting things

>>41472827
No, sometimes it is literally the same person doing this shit. They're probably rare though, I only know one person who does this. And I guess I used to be that kind of person too, but I grew out of it.